---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/20/03: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - Re: Trailers (Dean Wiegand) 2. 01:57 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (John Cliff) 3. 03:11 AM - Re: GPS Aerial (J. R. Jones) 4. 03:33 AM - Re: The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg) 5. 04:43 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (KARL HEINDL) 6. 05:28 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (Tony Renshaw) 7. 06:56 AM - Re: Trailers (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 8. 08:53 AM - Re: Trailers (Fergus Kyle) 9. 09:00 AM - Main gear installation sequence (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 10. 09:15 AM - Re: Trailers (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 11. 09:17 AM - Wing dolly (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 12. 09:36 AM - Re: Trailers (Dean Wiegand) 13. 09:37 AM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Rob Housman) 14. 10:13 AM - intercoolers (Paul Boulet) 15. 10:15 AM - trailers (Paul Boulet) 16. 10:21 AM - Re: Avalec on the Net??? (John Cliff) 17. 10:27 AM - Re: intercoolers (Rob Housman) 18. 11:22 AM - Re: Trailers (R.C.Harrison) 19. 11:33 AM - uk help sought for radio problems (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 20. 12:40 PM - Re: uk help sought for radio problems (Fergus Kyle) 21. 12:59 PM - Re: Trailers (Kevin Klinefelter) 22. 01:30 PM - Re: Intercooler (KarkelB@aol.com) 23. 01:38 PM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Richard) 24. 02:48 PM - Re: Trailers (Roger Anderson) 25. 03:02 PM - Re: trailers (Roger Anderson) 26. 03:40 PM - Reply configuration (Roger Anderson) 27. 03:54 PM - Re: Reply configuration (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg) 28. 04:24 PM - Re: Reply configuration (Rob Housman) 29. 05:46 PM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Robert Berube) 30. 06:30 PM - Open House (Robert Berube) 31. 06:30 PM - Open House (Robert Berube) 32. 08:06 PM - Re: Trailers (R.K. Hallett III) 33. 08:42 PM - air brake push rod (R.K. Hallett III) 34. 08:55 PM - Re: air brake push rod (DJA727@aol.com) 35. 10:59 PM - Re: intercoolers (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?=) 36. 11:11 PM - Re: trailers (J R \(Bob\) Gowing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:08 AM PST US From: "Dean Wiegand" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" OK, with input and pictures from Kingsley and Gerry I have posted notes and pictures of 2 trailers (not the Europa factory units) on a web page for viewing and comments. Both trailers are from builders who are sill working on their projects so the final fitting out of the trailers may not have been completed but should provide a platform for discussion. Anyone interested: www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/trailer/ As I get more details an pictures, including the factory supplied trailers, I will add them to the page (upon being granted permission, of course). Dean Wiegand Sacramento CA USA dwiegand@surewest.net kit A259 www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:23 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > Gidday, > Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net? Avelec are at http://www.bucks.net/avelec/ . Detail sparse, but there is a contact email address. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:51 AM PST US From: "J. R. Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS Aerial --> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" Richard, I have mounted the antenna for my lllC GPS above the head-lining, between the doors and it performs perfectly. The lead on the standard antenna is long enough to run up the "A" post twixt screen and door! Regards, Ron Jones (XS No. 359. G-RJWX) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:13 AM PST US From: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Dreaded Petrol(Gas) smell. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" Dave wrote: >If it turns black from soot or something, that would only effect >heating if it were exposed to light. > What about IR radiation? Just wondering too... Alex, kit 529 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:22 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Hi Tony, I installed the Avelec, but I came to the conclusion that I made a big mistake. It is very expensive, very time consuming to make the aluminum pieces (or more expense to have them made). I then found that it had a manufacturing fault as it had a slow leak where the tube enters the plastic block on top. When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate, this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when you go on a long trip). I believe everybody else is very happy with it. Regards, Karl >From: Tony Renshaw >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:18:06 +1100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > >Gidday, >Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net? I have tried the normal >avenues like search engines to no avail. I am making a final comparison >between the Lyndhurst magnetic float system and the Avalec, if I can >reinvigorate my interest. It is a very last minute request as I am >basically in the process of ordering the Lyndhurst. Any last minute pieces >of advice on this topic would be much appreciated. >Reg >Tony Renshaw > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:09 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Karl, Thanks for your advice. I am more tempted to keep with the Lyndhurst one, sold through Europa. It gives me a volumetric level indication, irrespective of whether it is water or fuel. Reg Tony Renshaw Bad joke really, regarding the water.;-) At 12:42 PM 2/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" > >Hi Tony, > >I installed the Avelec, but I came to the conclusion that I made a big >mistake. It is very expensive, very time consuming to make the aluminum >pieces (or more expense to have them made). I then found that it had >a manufacturing fault as it had a slow leak where the tube enters the >plastic block on top. When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate, >this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when >you go on a long trip). I believe everybody >else is very happy with it. > >Regards, Karl > > >>From: Tony Renshaw >>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? >>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:18:06 +1100 >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw >> >> >>Gidday, >>Anyone know where I can find Avalec on the net? I have tried the normal >>avenues like search engines to no avail. I am making a final comparison >>between the Lyndhurst magnetic float system and the Avalec, if I can >>reinvigorate my interest. It is a very last minute request as I am >>basically in the process of ordering the Lyndhurst. Any last minute pieces >>of advice on this topic would be much appreciated. >>Reg >>Tony Renshaw >> >> > > >http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:14 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 2/19/2003 4:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk writes: > The supplied rubber wing support slings mark the paintwork and crack with > age. I have replaced these with polypropylene straps of a similar width, > covered leatherette cuffs (soft side out). These are better than the rubber > straps but I would welcome suggestions for a better solution. While I'm a long way from needing a trailer, I have been giving it some thought. My plan is to use a commercially available covered trailer. (For those on this side of the pond think Wells Cargo, Haulmark, Pace, etc.) Drawing from sailplane trailer technology, I'm planning to fabricate two "dollies" that will run in tracks along the outer side walls from the front to the rear of the trailer. These dollies will be made out of 1" square steel and will use roller blade wheels set in aluminum "C" channel mounted to the floor. The spar tangs of the wings will pin into the the dolly, LE down, and support one end of the wing. When de-rigged, the wings will easily roll into the trailer and the opposite end of the wing will fit into a padded saddle secured to the side wall and floor. Once the wings are in, the fuselage will roll in between the wings and will secure to the floor with straps. Rigging would be the opposite, rolling out the fuselage first, then each wing in turn. This sort of arrangement has been used on sailplane trailers for decades and works very well. Sailplane guys who have trailers rigged like this generally don't take more than 10 minutes to rig/de-rig. A tri-pod wing stand is used to support the airplane when one wing is removed. The beauty of this type trailer is they're commercially available, equipped with ramp type doors hinged at the bottom, offer security from vandals and the weather and plenty of storage for other goodies you might need (gas, oil, tools, etc). Only minor modifications will be needed to make it work. Comments? John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:40 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" John, You invited comments, so made it a net reply..... I have a standard Europa open trailer, but am contemplating an enclosed one eventually (4005). It occurred to me that with various mods being suggested, that the enclosed trailer might incorporate a "saddle" which rotates/swivels and captures each wingtip in turn. This facility might permit singlehanded 'winging' and 'de-winging', being integral rather than an extra device. Details foggy in future mists, but it's an idea.............. ferg A064 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers > --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/19/2003 4:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > The supplied rubber wing support slings mark the paintwork and crack with > > age. I have replaced these with polypropylene straps of a similar width, > > covered leatherette cuffs (soft side out). These are better than the rubber > > straps but I would welcome suggestions for a better solution. > > > While I'm a long way from needing a trailer, I have been giving it some > thought. My plan is to use a commercially available covered trailer. (For > those on this side of the pond think Wells Cargo, Haulmark, Pace, etc.) > Drawing from sailplane trailer technology, I'm planning to fabricate two > "dollies" that will run in tracks along the outer side walls from the front > to the rear of the trailer. These dollies will be made out of 1" square steel > and will use roller blade wheels set in aluminum "C" channel mounted to the > floor. The spar tangs of the wings will pin into the the dolly, LE down, and > support one end of the wing. When de-rigged, the wings will easily roll into > the trailer and the opposite end of the wing will fit into a padded saddle > secured to the side wall and floor. Once the wings are in, the fuselage will > roll in between the wings and will secure to the floor with straps. Rigging > would be the opposite, rolling out the fuselage first, then each wing in > turn. > > This sort of arrangement has been used on sailplane trailers for decades and > works very well. Sailplane guys who have trailers rigged like this generally > don't take more than 10 minutes to rig/de-rig. A tri-pod wing stand is used > to support the airplane when one wing is removed. The beauty of this type > trailer is they're commercially available, equipped with ramp type doors > hinged at the bottom, offer security from vandals and the weather and plenty > of storage for other goodies you might need (gas, oil, tools, etc). Only > minor modifications will be needed to make it work. > > Comments? > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:15 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all, I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation takes place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for where all the work takes place. Comments? John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:05 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 2/20/2003 11:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, VE3LVO@rac.ca writes: > I have a standard Europa open trailer, but am contemplating an > enclosed one eventually (4005). It occurred to me that with various mods > being suggested, that the enclosed trailer might incorporate a "saddle" > which rotates/swivels and captures each wingtip in turn. This facility > might > permit singlehanded 'winging' and 'de-winging', being integral rather than > an extra device. Details foggy in future mists, but it's an > idea.............. > ferg > A064 > We had a guy come through our field (sailplane guy) last spring with a very neat wing stand that captured the wing by the LE and TE, pivoted the wing from the horizontal to the vertical, and had wheels on it so the wing could be rolled over to the trailer. Instead of the "normal" tri-pod arrangement of most sailplane wing stands, this one had two wheels and a leg that folded, in addition to the "wing capture" device. This enabled the wing to be moved around easily by one person. Basically, the stand captures the wing by the LE and the TE in a padded clamping mechanism. The clamp was a simple threaded rod with padded cups conforming the contour of the LE and TE welded to brackets that slide up and down on the threaded rod. An oversized wing nut is used to tighten the clamp holding the wing to the stand The folding leg is then retracted and the wing is rotated into the vertical, LE down. This is done with a single bolt as a pivot. The wing could then be wheeled over to the trailer and pinned into the wing dolly in the trailer. The wheeled stand is then removed and the wing is stowed in the trailer in the manner I described in my last post. This was the slickest way of single handing a wing I've ever seen. The guy that had this was able to single hand a wing for a 2 place glass ship with ease, easily twice the weight of a Europa wing. I think the stand is commercially available. The Europa is so sailplane like in the way it sets up it lends itself well to the gizmo's those guys already have figured out. I'll see if I can dig up some more info, pic's. etc. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:52 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Wing dolly --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Here's a link to the wing dolly: http://www.wingdolly.reach.net Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:48 AM PST US From: "Dean Wiegand" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" Roger Anderson made some suggestions pertaining to one-person operations. Roger can you supply some pictures of the spar socket, wing-tip trolley and other items? I too plan on one-person operation and would like to hear/see solutions. The only suggestion I would have (and was already thinking of using) for the wing cradle straps, is some real sheepskin covers for the straps (like a Morgan +4 bonnet stay) to provide cushion and buffing action if jostled slightly. Should be able to find small amounts of it for a reasonable cost. Dean Wiegand Sacramento CA USA dwiegand@surewest.net kit A259 www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:54 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Main gear installation is the most tedious and frustrating part of the entire project - working inside the aft end of the tail cone is easy by comparison. Although you are correct that it would be easier were the top not in place, what really makes the job awkward is the elevation of the fuselage above the floor, something dictated by the alignment scheme that makes sure that the aircraft runs true on the ground, and the fact that you must do all lf the "wet work" from outside the fuselage (climb inside and you will alter the alignment unless you have a fantastically rigid jig supporting the fuselage). That is the case whether the top is in place of not. Wheel alignment may not remain true (unchanged) after the top is bonded in place, and that is a risk that I would not take, especially for little gain in the ease of assembly. Best regards, Rob Housman A070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all, I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation takes place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for where all the work takes place. Comments? John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:03 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi all; I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there? Thanks Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:54 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi all; This weekend I'll be going to look at a mono wheel trailer with a welder friend of mine. Once the parts list is completed he'll be able to come up with pricing. I expect him to start building the trailer next week. If anyone is interested and wants a price email me off line and I'll hook you up- by the way... I'm not going to make a dime off this... just helping a low priced, unemployed welder get some work and of course get an inexpensive trailer for me and others that want one. Trailers will be built in the San Fernando Valley... suburb of Los Angeles. Paul Boulet, A212 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:23 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avalec on the Net??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > When changing fuel you are supposed to recalibrate, > this involves emptying the whole tank (so take some buckets with you when > you go on a long trip). Avelec says the dielectric constants of unleaded motor fuels vary with brand (which seems plausible, and I don't suppose the brew for any given brand is constant for all time, either). So, IF you are looking for accuracy you should recalibrate any capacitance gauge when changing fuel, not just the Avelec one - always presuming the one you have is accurate in the oddly-shaped Europa tank and that it offers sufficient resolution to show any difference. In practice, I don't suppose it makes any noticeable difference. Anyone already flying care to comment ? The Avelec gauge is expensive, for sure, but it offers different features. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:17 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: intercoolers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" See Item 4 in the "Europa Enhancements" document posted by Dennis Vories at http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm (but note the double asterisk which refers to the second paragraph in the "Introduction" at the top of the page). Best regards, Rob Housman A070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet Hi all; I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there? Thanks Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:43 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! John. I have a similar but sounds more simple type of wing trolly that you describe and can rig my A/C on my own and with the aid of an electric winch stow the fuselage in the covered trailer between the wings on my own too. I've looked at the web page you recommended and the principle is the same but my wing is completely surrounded by a carpet covered clamp which has a pivot on the underside of the wing and the wheels can be dropped off with a socket arrangement. The pivoting leg stays with the clamp and is therefore stowed permanently on the port wing since it is the first to rig and last to derig.( Only the wheels to stow separately) If I had my time over, the position of the pivot would be nearer to the c of g of the wing but it is useable as it is. If you need some dimensions let me know. The trailer is to be seen on the photoshare pages. Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Trike) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers ................wing is rotated into the vertical, LE down. This is done with a single bolt as a pivot. The wing could then be wheeled over to the trailer and pinned into the wing dolly in the trailer. The wheeled stand is then removed and the wing is stowed in the trailer in the manner I described in my last post. This was the slickest way of single handing a wing I've ever seen. The guy that had this was able to single hand a wing for a 2 place glass ship with ease, easily twice the weight of a Europa wing. I think the stand is commercially available. The Europa is so sailplane like in the way it sets up it lends itself well to the gizmo's those guys already have figured out. I'll see if I can dig up some more info, pic's. etc. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:34 AM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Europa-List: uk help sought for radio problems --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson Just had a note from a new Club member that he's having problems with his VOR & transponder. He's not had the aeroplane flying long and suspects it's an installation fault. He wonders if anyone can recommend someone in the North of England who would be competent & willing to look at it. Contact if you can offer suggestions, please. regards Rowland | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary | Europa 435 G-ROWI (490 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:20 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: uk help sought for radio problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Rowland et al, With regard to radio problems, it is probable that 90% of tye difficulties lie with the installation, as most commercial rigs are basically faultless out of the factory. Most of this is unfortunately builder-induced (as a statistic) - presuming the system parallels amateur radio experience over the years...... I hesitate to repeat this offer for someone else's services, but the AR group are most similar to ours - helpful, experienced and curious. If UK hams are at all like our bunch, you will more than likely stumble across a useful and curious ham at your local radio club - the address/contact available through the RSGB, Radio Society of Great Britain. The 'pres.'/contact person will usually know a seasoned 'oldtimer' who will offer to measure the variables in your antenna system for faults - the greatest probability. Since ham services cannot be charged ('amateur' means 'non-commerce' but not unprofessional) his interest in your project and satisfaction is his/her reward. Try it, you may like it. Then if nothing untoward is found, you can empty your pockets with the field rep.......... E&OE..... Ferg A064 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland & Wilma Carson" Subject: Europa-List: uk help sought for radio problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson > > Just had a note from a new Club member that he's having problems with > his VOR & transponder. He's not had the aeroplane flying long and > suspects it's an installation fault. He wonders if anyone can > recommend someone in the North of England who would be competent & > willing to look at it. Contact if you > can offer suggestions, please. > > regards > > Rowland > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:23 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Hey Ralph, Are you gonna park your long wing thing at home? Do you figure an enclosed trailer is what you need, or would an open design work for you? The long wings are gonna start flying soon and I am curious what their builders are planning. The first, Dave Andersons, has a big hanger that it looks very happy in. I will not have that as an option. Long wings won't fit in most garages, so a glider trailer design will probably be popular. That will not be cheap. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.K. Hallett III Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" Kevin, A long way off, but me too. Ralph Kevin Klinefelter wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" > >Dean, I am talking Mono-wheel and am thinking of copying the Europa design. >Those who have used one for a while may have some suggestions for design >improvements. I would be happy with the simple, open trailer. I would like >to borrow one for a week or so and get a design on paper. I have a friend >who is a welder/fabricator. > I am surprised that Europa FL doesn't make them. Seems like it would be >more cost effective than building them in GB and shipping. There should be a >few to be sold over here. >Kevin > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dean Wiegand >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" > >Are the trailer being discussed for mono- or tri-gear? > >If for mono, I would certainly participate in the "bulk >order" (and associated price discounts that it brings). > >If we do have several interested parties, we could >discuss features of the trailers and find a builder. > >If not, I may design my own and engineer in >multi-purpose elements. Ralph Petersen, one of the >West Coast sales reps is building his own, I will check >with him about details but I think he is going with an >enclosed set-up. > >Dean Wiegand >Sacramento CA USA >dwiegand@surewest.net >kit A259 >www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On >Behalf Of Kevin >Klinefelter >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" > > >Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less >than $3500 each. I am >in need also, Tom >Kevin Klinefelter > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On >Behalf Of tom >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Trailers > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" > > >Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer >or a triwheel trailer >that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship >a trailer part way >around the world to the Western Colonies when one can >be custom made here. > >Thank you >Tom Friedland >beecho@fix.net > > >================= >Contributions >any other >================= >messages. >members. >================= >http://www.matronics.com/subscription >http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm >http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list >Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list >http://www.matronics.com/europa-list >================= > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:41 PM PST US From: KarkelB@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Re: Intercooler --> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com ....its in the making, watch the space!! Karim. # 420 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:04 PM PST US From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" I asked the factory about this and was advised that it was OK to install the main gear before bonding the top on. I set everything up with the top clecoed in place then removed it to do the layups. I agree that it is one of the messiest jobs on the entire build. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all, I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation takes place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for where all the work takes place. Comments? John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:14 PM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" Roger can you supply some pictures of the spar socket, wing-tip trolley and other items? Dean, I'm afraid I can't oblige with any pictures as none of the ones I have show the details which you are interested in, and I don't have a digital camera (yet!). The only suggestion I would have (and was already thinking of using) for the wing cradle straps, is some real sheepskin covers for the straps (like a Morgan +4 bonnet stay) to provide cushion and buffing action if jostled slightly. If they work on a Morgan bonnet they should be O.K. for the wings, but anything which retains moisture or fine grit should be avoided. I shall be interested to hear how satisfactory they are in use. Kind regards, Roger. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:38 PM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" One thing I forgot to mention was that it is well worth having the steel bits galvanised. I took my trailer apart and had this done for about 70.00 GBP ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:30 PM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Europa-List: Reply configuration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I press 'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the forum, and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can contact them again? ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:32 PM PST US From: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reply configuration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" Roger Anderson wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" > >Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I press 'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the forum, and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can contact them again? > You have to tell us what mail-program you are using....if it is Netscape 6.x you can click on the sender's name in the heading and get options to add to address book, reply to sender and copy address... Alex, kit 529 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:03 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Reply configuration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" ...and in Outlook 2000, it's Tools, Options, Preferences, E-mail Options, and then put a check mark at the bottom of the dialog box next to "Automatically put people I reply to in" and select (using the Browse button if necessary) "Contacts." Whew! It takes less time to do than to describe. Best regards, Rob Housman A070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reply configuration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" Roger Anderson wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" > >Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I press 'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the forum, and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can contact them again? > You have to tell us what mail-program you are using....if it is Netscape 6.x you can click on the sender's name in the heading and get options to add to address book, reply to sender and copy address... Alex, kit 529 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:44 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Hi John, Here at Flight Crafters we have installed quite a number of tri gear legs with all of them before the tops are bonded on. We do not put the tops on until everthing and I mean everything including a flange for the baggage bulkhead plus all antennas and counter balance flanges. We do not crawl into the back of this thing. For some of us would need a crane to pull us out if we get in there. The front side of the baggage bulkhead can be reached for taping. Bob Berube A166 (Conventional Gear) Flight Crafters ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence > --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com > > Greetings all, > > I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly > in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I > noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation takes > place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a > reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be > much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for > where all the work takes place. > > Comments? > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:32 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Europa-List: Open House --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Last year during the Sun n Fun Show many of you took the time to come by the Flight Crafters Facility to attend our first Open House. We were delighted with the turn out and are planning to do the same this year. We wanted to wait till Europa Lakeland set the Builder Dinner date so we would not have a conflict. Since their dinner is on Friday the 4th, we will have our barbecue on Thursday April 3rd between 4 and 8pm. Flight Crafters Open House April 3, 2003 4 to 8pm Open to Europa Builders and Enthusiasts Burgers, brats, hot dogs and refreshments Visit with fellow builders in an environment of over 15 Europas in various stages of construction If you could respond to bberube@tampabay.rr.com or call Flight Crafters at 813 655-6411 with the number in your party, it would help us to be sure we have enough food and refreshments for everyone. Directions to follow. Regards, Bob Berube Flight Crafters ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:33 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Europa-List: Open House --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Last year during the Sun n Fun Show many of you took the time to come by the Flight Crafters Facility to attend our first Open House. We were delighted with the turn out and are planning to do the same this year. We wanted to wait till Europa Lakeland set the Builder Dinner date so we would not have a conflict. Since their dinner is on Friday the 4th, we will have our barbecue on Thursday April 3rd between 4 and 8pm. Flight Crafters Open House April 3, 2003 4 to 8pm Open to Europa Builders and Enthusiasts Burgers, brats, hot dogs and refreshments Visit with fellow builders in an environment of over 15 Europas in various stages of construction If you could respond to bberube@tampabay.rr.com or call Flight Crafters at 813 655-6411 with the number in your party, it would help us to be sure we have enough food and refreshments for everyone. Directions to follow. Regards, Bob Berube Flight Crafters ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:16 PM PST US From: "R.K. Hallett III" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" Kevin, Yep, I agree, it looks like a glider trailer for us too. Ralph Kevin Klinefelter wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" > >Hey Ralph, Are you gonna park your long wing thing at home? Do you figure an >enclosed trailer is what you need, or would an open design work for you? The >long wings are gonna start flying soon and I am curious what their builders >are planning. The first, Dave Andersons, has a big hanger that it looks very >happy in. I will not have that as an option. Long wings won't fit in most >garages, so a glider trailer design will probably be popular. That will not >be cheap. >Kevin > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.K. Hallett III >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" > >Kevin, > >A long way off, but me too. > >Ralph > >Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" >> >>Dean, I am talking Mono-wheel and am thinking of copying the Europa design. >>Those who have used one for a while may have some suggestions for design >>improvements. I would be happy with the simple, open trailer. I would like >>to borrow one for a week or so and get a design on paper. I have a friend >>who is a welder/fabricator. >>I am surprised that Europa FL doesn't make them. Seems like it would be >>more cost effective than building them in GB and shipping. There should be >> >> >a > > >>few to be sold over here. >>Kevin >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dean Wiegand >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" >> >>Are the trailer being discussed for mono- or tri-gear? >> >>If for mono, I would certainly participate in the "bulk >>order" (and associated price discounts that it brings). >> >>If we do have several interested parties, we could >>discuss features of the trailers and find a builder. >> >>If not, I may design my own and engineer in >>multi-purpose elements. Ralph Petersen, one of the >>West Coast sales reps is building his own, I will check >>with him about details but I think he is going with an >>enclosed set-up. >> >>Dean Wiegand >>Sacramento CA USA >>dwiegand@surewest.net >>kit A259 >>www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/ >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On >>Behalf Of Kevin >>Klinefelter >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers >> >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" >> >> >>Or several could be made here, probably for a lot less >>than $3500 each. I am >>in need also, Tom >>Kevin Klinefelter >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On >>Behalf Of tom >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Europa-List: Trailers >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" >> >> >>Does anyone have plans for either a monowheel trailer >>or a triwheel trailer >>that they are willing to share? It seems silly to ship >>a trailer part way >>around the world to the Western Colonies when one can >>be custom made here. >> >>Thank you >>Tom Friedland >>beecho@fix.net >> >> >>================= >>Contributions >>any other >>================= >>messages. >>members. >>================= >>http://www.matronics.com/subscription >>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm >>http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list >>Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list >>http://www.matronics.com/europa-list >>================= >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:24 PM PST US From: "R.K. Hallett III" Subject: Europa-List: air brake push rod --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" Kevin, et al, Were in the manual are the directions for making up the small air brake push rod? Trying to make sure I've got enough clearance at bell crank. Ralph ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:23 PM PST US From: DJA727@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: air brake push rod --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, reddog@gbis.com writes: > Kevin, et al, > Were in the manual are the directions for making up the small air brake > push rod? Trying to make sure I've got enough clearance at bell crank. > > I never got anything written on this subject. I have to use common sense judgment which was 50% successful. I made one too long and had to shorten it. Dave A227 mini U2 - 5.2 hours ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:43 PM PST US From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?= Subject: Re: Europa-List: intercoolers --> Europa-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?= Rob, please, do you have some contact to Dennis Vories? His ideas are very very interesting and I would like to ask him for more details. Thanks very much Stanislav, #438 Svec Stanislav E-mail: standa.svec@volny.cz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: intercoolers > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" > > See Item 4 in the "Europa Enhancements" document posted by Dennis Vories at > http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm (but note the double asterisk > which refers to the second paragraph in the "Introduction" at the top of the > page). > > > Best regards, > > Rob Housman > A070 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > Hi all; > > I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out there? > Thanks > > Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:03 PM PST US From: "J R \(Bob\) Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: trailers --> Europa-List message posted by: "J R \(Bob\) Gowing" Paul And there will be people all over the world in their respective countries interested in evaluating the plans to their own ends.............. JR (Bob) Gowing, Kit 327 in Oz JR (Bob) Gowing, 24 High St, BEGA NSW 2550 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Subject: Europa-List: trailers > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > Hi all; > > This weekend I'll be going to look at a mono wheel trailer with a welder friend of mine. Once the parts list is completed he'll be able to come up with pricing. I expect him to start building the trailer next week. > > If anyone is interested and wants a price email me off line and I'll hook you up- by the way... I'm not going to make a dime off this... just helping a low priced, unemployed welder get some work and of course get an inexpensive trailer for me and others that want one. Trailers will be built in the San Fernando Valley... suburb of Los Angeles. > > Paul Boulet, A212 > > > --------------------------------- > >