Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 03:07 AM - Re: intercoolers (KarkelB@aol.com)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: intercoolers (RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils))
3. 10:05 AM - Re: air brake push rod (R.K. Hallett III)
4. 10:58 AM - Re: intercoolers (Shaun Simpkins)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: intercoolers - pity (Peter Zutrauen)
6. 11:34 AM - Re: Reply configuration (Alan Gilbert)
7. 11:52 AM - Re: Main gear installation sequence (Ian Rickard)
8. 12:57 PM - Re: intercoolers - pity (McFadyean)
9. 01:14 PM - Re: Reply configuration (Roger Anderson)
10. 03:27 PM - MAC Stick Grips (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
11. 04:32 PM - Re: intercoolers - pity (Dean Wiegand)
12. 07:17 PM - Re: intercoolers (KarkelB@aol.com)
13. 09:45 PM - Re: air brake push rod (DJA727@aol.com)
Message 1
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Hi Stan,
you will NEVER get anything out of Dennis Vories without
shelling out some serious amount of cash. We have all been down that road
before
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
The news on the forum says he won't give out information without being paid.
I haven't tried.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanislav vec" <standa.svec@volny.cz>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: intercoolers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?<standa.svec@volny.cz>
>
>
> Rob,
>
> please, do you have some contact to Dennis Vories? His ideas are very very
interesting and I would like to ask him for more details.
>
>
> Thanks very much
>
>
> Stanislav, #438
>
>
> Svec Stanislav
> E-mail: standa.svec@volny.cz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: intercoolers
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> >
> > See Item 4 in the "Europa Enhancements" document posted by Dennis Vories
at
> > http://www.europa-usa.com/enhancements.htm (but note the double asterisk
> > which refers to the second paragraph in the "Introduction" at the top of
the
> > page).
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Rob Housman
> > A070
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: intercoolers
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi all;
> >
> > I'm in need of an intercooler for my turbo 914. Any suggestions out
there?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
>
>
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: air brake push rod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
Dave,
Did you use the same tubing you used for the aileron pushrods in the
cockpit? What parts were used?
Thanks,
Ralph
DJA727@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>reddog@gbis.com writes:
>
>
>
>>Kevin, et al,
>>Were in the manual are the directions for making up the small air brake
>>push rod? Trying to make sure I've got enough clearance at bell crank.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I never got anything written on this subject. I have to use common sense
>judgment which was 50% successful. I made one too long and had to shorten it.
>
>Dave
>A227 mini U2 - 5.2 hours
>
>
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
I have. He won't.
Denis is a very busy consulting engineer that makes his living designing
things for companies.
He wanted to get Europa to buy his design and produce it. Europa declined -
for what I'm sure
were very legitimate legal and logistical reasons.
Denis at one time suggested that a group of 10+ builders could get together
to make a production run, but (in my opinion) this primarily served as a way
for him to recoup his prototyping costs and engineering time.
Denis had no interest in producing it himself , supplying the design, or
supporting those reproducing
his design. Understandable, it's a time sink with little payback. It's
also the only practical ethical
position for a professional engineer to take. Remember, Denis' design
works, but only in Denis' plane. Marketing a mission-critical aircraft
subsystem without extensive testing and an appropriate support organization
in place is questionable at best and legally perilous.
This is the same problem that the makers of EFISi are running into. It's
not a big deal for an EICAS
to fail in flight, but woe to the maker of a PFD if it fails in flight and
the pilot dies.
It may be best for all involved that the 51% rule be observed for aircraft
subsystems
as well as airframe kits. Make sure that the builder does over 51% of the
design, fab, and
installation work. Therefore the item becomes his design and responsibility.
Information is disseminated, as we builders want, but liability is diffused
and the opportunity for improvement enhanced.
Paranoid in Portland,
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Neils" <RobNeils@aimcomm.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: intercoolers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
>
> The news on the forum says he won't give out information without being
paid.
> I haven't tried.
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | intercoolers - pity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
pity... I can't see why putting his design out in the public domain would impart
any liablilty on his part.
I can understand that he would like to recoup some of his costs, but since there
has been insufficient interest from paying 'customers', it is a real shame that
he would not share his experience with the basic design with the rest of builder
community.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Canada
PS- it was my understanding the the 51% rule applies to the construction of the
aircraft and systems.... not the design. At least I sure hope so, or I'm surely
gonna be in breach! ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Simpkins [mailto:shauns@hevanet.com]
Sent: Fri 2/21/2003 2:00 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: intercoolers
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
I have. He won't.
Denis is a very busy consulting engineer that makes his living designing
things for companies.
He wanted to get Europa to buy his design and produce it. Europa declined
-
were very legitimate legal and logistical reasons.
Denis at one time suggested that a group of 10+ builders could get together
to make a production run, but (in my opinion) this primarily served as
a way
Denis had no interest in producing it himself , supplying the design, or
supporting those reproducing
his design. Understandable, it's a time sink with little payback. It's
also the only practical ethical
position for a professional engineer to take. Remember, Denis' design
works, but only in Denis' plane. Marketing a mission-critical aircraft
subsystem without extensive testing and an appropriate support organization
in place is questionable at best and legally perilous.
This is the same problem that the makers of EFISi are running into. It's
not a big deal for an EICAS
to fail in flight, but woe to the maker of a PFD if it fails in flight
and
the pilot dies.
It may be best for all involved that the 51% rule be observed for aircraft
subsystems
as well as airframe kits. Make sure that the builder does over 51% of
the
design, fab, and
installation work. Therefore the item becomes his design and responsibility.
Information is disseminated, as we builders want, but liability is diffused
and the opportunity for improvement enhanced.
Paranoid in Portland,
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Neils" <RobNeils@aimcomm.com>
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: intercoolers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
>
> The news on the forum says he won't give out information without being
paid.
> I haven't tried.
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Reply configuration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
I think I'm right in saying you can't do it the way you want. I believe the
e-mail you are receiving is not technically from the originator but is
received from the europa list at matronics.com. So if you reply using the
"reply" facility, that's where your response will go. You cannot "configure"
your computer to overcome this.
The only option you have is to right click on the e-mail address where the
original message says" Europa-list message posted by . . . ." you now get
the option of adding sender to address book. Having done that, double click
on the same address in the original e-mailto send your message to the
originator only.d
do not archive
Alan G 497
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reply configuration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg"
<kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
> Roger Anderson wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson"
<Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> >Can someone please tell me how to configure my computer such that when I
press 'Reply' rather than 'Reply All' it goes to the sender rather than the
forum, and I get the sender's address added to my address book so that I can
contact them again?
> >
> You have to tell us what mail-program you are using....if it is Netscape
> 6.x you can click on the sender's name in the heading and get options to
> add to address book, reply to sender and copy address...
>
> Alex, kit 529
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Main gear installation sequence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Rickard" <ian.iicons@ntlworld.com>
I installed the main gear with the top off as I could not contemplate the
problems of doing it with it on. After talking to Nev he was satisfied that
if the fuselage is well supported, particularly the tail, in a good jig it
should not cause any problems. I already had the fuselage in the Chuck
Popenoe designed jig for better access to the underside. For details of the
jig see http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cpops/cradle.htm
I also found that locating the undercarriage legs accurately was made easier
by clamping a transverse length of timber to the lower stringers of the
cradle. I can let you have a picture of the setup if needed. As Richard
has said it is best to set everything up with the top clecoed in place then
removed it to do the layups. When the main layups are done it is very
unlikely anything will move.
One of the biggest benefits is that you can do the tie bar after you have
done the main gear mounts. If this is done first it makes the main gear
even harder to do. I also installed the flap drive and the basic electrical
runs.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
e-mail ian.iicons@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Main gear installation sequence
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I was doing some planning regarding routing of wires yesterday, particularly
in the area where the installation of my main gear (tri) will be, and I
noticed that the manual flow chart shows the main gear leg installation
takes
place after the top half of the fuselage has been bonded on. Is there a
reason for this sequence? It seems to me the main gear installation would be
much easier before the top is installed, given the obvious access issues for
where all the work takes place.
Comments?
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | intercoolers - pity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Because he probably has PII (professional indemnity insurance) for his day
job activities!!
This would be the first target of the lawyer representing the person who's
conversion had just gone wrong, irrespective of the scope of that
insurance.
Duncan mcF.
On Friday, February 21, 2003 7:21 PM, Peter Zutrauen
[SMTP:peterz@zutrasoft.com] wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> pity... I can't see why putting his design out in the public domain would
impart any liablilty on his part.
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Reply configuration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
<alangilbert@classicfm.net>
>
>> The only option you have is to right click on the e-mail address where
the
> original message says" Europa-list message posted by . . . ." you now get
> the option of adding sender to address book.
It is then necessary to edit the name in the address book as otherwise this
is merely a duplication of the e-mail address and the name of the person may
not be obvious from the e-mail address.
Having done that, double click on the same address in the original e-mail
to send your message to the originator only.
With 'Windows 98' a single left click brings up a blank 'send message'
screen addressed to the original sender, but if you want to edit the
original message it is necessary to have previously copied the original
(highlight the bit required and then press control C) and to then paste it
onto the blank screen.
It would have been so very much easier to have had the original, logical,
system available. Is someone up there listening?
Just my opinon.
Roger.
do not archive
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
Due to a redesign of my control sticks I have a pair of MAC Stick Grips
(Model G5) for sale. The G5 version has 4 pushbuttons for trim on the top
and a PTT button at the front. Mine are mounted on cranked aluminium sticks
and are wired with a 9pin connector. Also provided is a custom made junction
box which gives priority to the left stick.
The MAC Stick Grips currently retail at $69 each. I am looking for 50 ($75)
for the pair plus shipping. Shipping costs will be from either UK or USA
as I can mail from within the USA if required.
Nigel Charles
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | intercoolers - pity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
I was going to contact a company such as:
http://www.cartech.net/intercoolers.htm
(scan to the lower half of the page for piecemeal
parts)
since they will pseudo-custom make an intercooler with
a core, casing and directional tubes of choice. All I
need to do is make a cardboard mock-up within the cowl
and more mock-ups of the airflow vents to / from. I am
sure it will be much more difficult than it sounds, but
it is worth a try for the benefits.
for builders outside USA, I searched on "custom
intercooler"
thinking out loud again...
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of McFadyean
Subject: RE: Europa-List: intercoolers - pity
--> Europa-List message posted by: McFadyean
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Because he probably has PII (professional indemnity
insurance) for his day
job activities!!
This would be the first target of the lawyer
representing the person who's
conversion had just gone wrong, irrespective of the
scope of that
insurance.
Duncan mcF.
On Friday, February 21, 2003 7:21 PM, Peter Zutrauen
[SMTP:peterz@zutrasoft.com] wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> pity... I can't see why putting his design out in the
public domain would
impart any liablilty on his part.
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Folks,
keep the faith, i obtained design approval from the PFA for an
intercooler subject to tests after construction.
In addition to satisfying the rotax criteria for an intercooler ie. pressure
loss> 15hpa and a minimum flow rate of 300 cubic meters/hour, PFA require (a)
a maximum working pressure and suction the intercooler will carry in the
worst cases (b) a safety factor that need to be applied to to perform a
pressure test and finally the intercooler should be able to withstand twice
the maximum possible working pressure load.
I have consulted Nigel Beale( rotax agent) and commisioned the guys at
Docking to build and test it to the above criteria after which all the
documentation and test results will be handed to the PFA to get approval for
actual flying tests. The guys at Docking specialise in intercooling systems
notably for FI teams and other racing cars. Besides, the chief engineer Mel
is a pilot/PFA member so he knows where i'm coming from. Will keep you posted
on progress...its coming.
Karim.
# 420
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: air brake push rod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:05:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
reddog@gbis.com writes:
>
> Did you use the same tubing you used for the aileron pushrods in the
> cockpit? What parts were used?
>
Same stuff as aileron push rods. It came with the kit - the long wings.
Dave
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|