Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Fast Prop (Alan Stills)
2. 06:11 AM - Attn Jabiru engined Europas (Ed)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas (ivor.phillips)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Fast Prop (Steve Hagar)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas (ivor.phillips)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas (Ed)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Aileron Length (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: Aileron Length (John & Amy Eckel)
9. 08:23 AM - Spinning.......... (Fergus Kyle)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Joseph J. Like)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 10:40 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Simon Smith)
13. 10:44 AM - weather station (Kevin Taylor)
14. 10:44 AM - Engine (Kevin Taylor)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Dean Wiegand)
16. 02:59 PM - europa club renewals (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
17. 03:06 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (James Nelson)
18. 03:06 PM - Re: Spinning.......... (James Nelson)
19. 03:40 PM - Prop torque settings (Carl & Dot)
20. 04:27 PM - Re: SV: Andair Fuel Selector Extensions (Tony Renshaw)
21. 05:42 PM - Rotaries (Tony Renshaw)
22. 05:52 PM - Re: Rotaries (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
23. 06:11 PM - Re: Rotaries (Paul McAllister)
24. 06:57 PM - Re: air brake push rod (Troy Maynor)
25. 07:09 PM - Intercooler (PreDial@aol.com)
26. 08:04 PM - Re: Spinning.......... (Kingsley Hurst)
27. 08:41 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Fergus Kyle)
28. 10:13 PM - Re: Spinning.......... (Dean Wiegand)
29. 10:42 PM - trailers and intercoolers (Paul Boulet)
30. 10:54 PM - Re: Intercooler (DJA727@aol.com)
31. 10:58 PM - Re: Spinning.......... (DJA727@aol.com)
32. 11:20 PM - Re: trailers and intercoolers (Michael Parkin)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Steve,
The way your going on the kit now it had better be that fast.
Al Stills
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fast Prop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I received an e mail message from the Air master prop dudes in NZ on the
19
> that they shipped my prop. It was sitting on my porch on the 21st. I
hope
> its that fast when its attached to the airplane!
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Attn Jabiru engined Europas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Guys
We have fitted the Prop extension boss on to the engine. We cannot find the
torque info required for the bolts that hold this boss on. Any ideas? I
think that it is 30 ft/lbs but I don't want to guess.
Cheers
Eddie
SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup
Europa Classic Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
I can only find the torque settings for the 2200 engine hope they are of
some use,
ivor phillips
XS486
Part
Nom. Dia (mm)
Torque
nm (ft.lbs)
9.0 TORQUE SPECIFICATION FOR BOLTS & NUTS
Spark Plugs
12mm
11 (8)
Cylinder Head Bolts
5/16"
34 (24)
Crankcase Main Studs
3/8"
40 (30)
Flywheel/Gear Bolts
1/4"
20 (15)
5/16"
24 (18)
Crankshaft Prop Flange Cap Screws
(Lockwire)
3/8"
40 (30)
Oil Pump Cap Screws
5/16"
20 (15)
Tappet Cover Cap Screws
1/4"
7 (5)
Starter Motor Bolts
5/16"
20 (15)
Carburettor Flange Bolts
1/4"
11 (8)
Engine Mount Plate Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
5/16"
16 (12)
Gearbox Cover Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
Alternator & Coil Mount Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
Sump Cap Screws
1/4"
14 (10)
Conrod Bolts
8mm
14 (10)
5/16"
24 (18)
Propeller Bolts
1/4"
9.5 (7)
Camshaft Gear Bolts (Lockwire)
1/4"
16 (12)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Attn Jabiru engined Europas
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
>
> Guys
>
> We have fitted the Prop extension boss on to the engine. We cannot find
the
> torque info required for the bolts that hold this boss on. Any ideas? I
> think that it is 30 ft/lbs but I don't want to guess.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Eddie
>
> SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup
> Europa Classic Jabiru 3300
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Tony;
That may be true but my 19th is still my 19th and my 21st is still my 21st.
That is still 3 days. So consider it this way it was shipped from the 18th
to the 20th in NZ time but it was received from the 19th to the 21st on US
time. In any case that's faster than from Aircraft Spruce next door in the
People's Republic of California.
Steve
A143
Mesa,AZ
on> [Original Message]
> From: Tony S. Krzyzewski <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/22/03 10:23:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fast Prop
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> Don't forget that your 19th is our 18th so they had an extra day to get
> it to you :-)
>
> Tony
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Hagar
> Sent: Sun 23/02/2003 5:17 p.m.
> To: europa-list-matronics
> Cc:=09
> Subject: Europa-List: Fast Prop
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I received an e mail message from the Air master prop dudes in NZ on the
> 19
> that they shipped my prop. It was sitting on my porch on the 21st. I
> hope
> its that fast when its attached to the airplane!
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
9.0 TORQUE SPECIFICATION FOR BOLTS & NUTS
Part
Nom. Dia (mm)
Torque
nm (ft.lbs)
Spark Plugs
12mm
11 (8)
Cylinder Head Bolts
5/16"
34 (24)
Crankcase Main Studs
3/8"
40 (30)
Flywheel/Gear Bolts
1/4"
20 (15)
5/16"
24 (18)
Crankshaft Prop Flange Cap Screws
(Lockwire)
3/8"
40 (30)
Oil Pump Cap Screws
5/16"
20 (15)
Tappet Cover Cap Screws
1/4"
7 (5)
Starter Motor Bolts
5/16"
20 (15)
Carburettor Flange Bolts
1/4"
11 (8)
Engine Mount Plate Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
5/16"
16 (12)
Gearbox Cover Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
Alternator & Coil Mount Bolts
1/4"
14 (10)
Sump Cap Screws
1/4"
14 (10)
Conrod Bolts
5/16"
24 (18)
Propeller Bolts
1/4"
9.5 (7)
Camshaft Gear Bolts (Lockwire)
1/4"
16 (12)
On looking further on the Jabiru engine CD i came across the 3300 engine
torque settings, much the same as the 2200,
regards
ivor phillips
XS476
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Attn Jabiru engined Europas
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
>
> Guys
>
> We have fitted the Prop extension boss on to the engine. We cannot find
the
> torque info required for the bolts that hold this boss on. Any ideas? I
> think that it is 30 ft/lbs but I don't want to guess.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Eddie
>
> SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup
> Europa Classic Jabiru 3300
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attn Jabiru engined Europas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Excellent. Thanks Ivor.
Ed
on 23/2/03 2:51 pm, ivor.phillips at ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
> <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
>
>
> 9.0 TORQUE SPECIFICATION FOR BOLTS & NUTS
>
>
> Part
> Nom. Dia (mm)
> Torque
>
> nm (ft.lbs)
>
> Spark Plugs
> 12mm
> 11 (8)
>
> Cylinder Head Bolts
> 5/16"
> 34 (24)
>
> Crankcase Main Studs
> 3/8"
> 40 (30)
>
> Flywheel/Gear Bolts
> 1/4"
> 20 (15)
>
>
> 5/16"
> 24 (18)
>
> Crankshaft Prop Flange Cap Screws
> (Lockwire)
> 3/8"
> 40 (30)
>
> Oil Pump Cap Screws
> 5/16"
> 20 (15)
>
> Tappet Cover Cap Screws
> 1/4"
> 7 (5)
>
> Starter Motor Bolts
> 5/16"
> 20 (15)
>
> Carburettor Flange Bolts
> 1/4"
> 11 (8)
>
> Engine Mount Plate Bolts
> 1/4"
> 14 (10)
>
>
> 5/16"
> 16 (12)
>
> Gearbox Cover Bolts
> 1/4"
> 14 (10)
>
> Alternator & Coil Mount Bolts
> 1/4"
> 14 (10)
>
> Sump Cap Screws
> 1/4"
> 14 (10)
>
> Conrod Bolts
> 5/16"
> 24 (18)
>
>
> Propeller Bolts
> 1/4"
> 9.5 (7)
>
> Camshaft Gear Bolts (Lockwire)
> 1/4"
> 16 (12)
>
>
> On looking further on the Jabiru engine CD i came across the 3300 engine
> torque settings, much the same as the 2200,
> regards
> ivor phillips
> XS476
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed" <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Attn Jabiru engined Europas
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
>>
>> Guys
>>
>> We have fitted the Prop extension boss on to the engine. We cannot find
> the
>> torque info required for the bolts that hold this boss on. Any ideas? I
>> think that it is 30 ft/lbs but I don't want to guess.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Eddie
>>
>> SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup
>> Europa Classic Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Length |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Duane,
One of my ailerons, pre-skinned from the factory, was 5/8" longer than the
other one and wouldn't fit the corresponding wing. Comparing it to the wing
by holding one end in place, then the other, using the width of the aileron
as compared to the wing tip, it appeared the fabricator let the inboard side
run a little long. Before I did the closeout I took my Dremel (can you build
a Europa without one?) and the routing plate attachment, set the correct
depth for what I wanted to cut off, and routed out the foam. I use a 1/4"
cylidrical metal deburring bit. It works wonders on foam and the foam comes
out nice and flat. Once the foam was taken out to the correct depth, all of
about 45 seconds with the Dremel, I cut the aileron off to the proper length
using a band saw, being careful to maintain the proper angle relative to the
wing, then glassed the closeout as normal. Use the finest blade you can get
on the band saw (26 tpi is what I used) and don't expect more than about 10
cuts out of each blade. Fiberglass is tough on blades and I hear carbon fiber
is worse.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Length |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Amy Eckel <eckel1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Length
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> I've just finished attaching the balance weights to the aileron and was
about
> to attach it to the wing when I noticed that the aileron is too long. I
just
> figured that I should trim the wing tip end but figured I'd ask just to be
> sure. Since it's too late to do it tonight. I would have the answer by
> morning.
> Same thing on the flap?
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
>
> Mike,
I am at the same place as you. My port aileron was 1/4 inch longer than
my starboard. I trimmed the port aileron with a dremel and a sanding block.
With a little filler I will have a flush end on the aileron, which will be
better
for drag. Do you have a port wing where the rib on the top panel does
not line up with the joggles in the ribs? If you do I can explain what I
did
if you would like.
John Eckel
A230
>
>
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| Subject: | Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's ) that
openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on their
promotional videos."
In both directions..........!
Cheers, ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to pay the
membership dues. Sending in British Pounds would be difficult for most. It's
not
the money, it's the inconvenience.
Joseph J. Like
A086 Mono XS hybrid
Jabiru 3300
Nigel Charles wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi Ferg
>
> I ordered 5 feet first time around and although that was enough for 15
> aircraft it was soon used up.
>
> To make things easier for customers I have decided to buy the following to
> make up the kit:
>
> 4" steel tube
> 2 AN4 sized stiff nuts (I forget the MS number)
> 4 AN4 sized thin washers
> 2 grease nipples.
>
> All but the grease nipples are obtained from Wicks (or A/C Spruce). My local
> car accessory shop supply the grease nipples. Just choose a size with a
> common thread so a tap can easily be obtained.
>
> Reference membership. I feel it is pretty poor if builders of $50,000
> aircraft feel they cannot afford the membership of the club. The fact that
> quite a lot of the articles are European orientated says more about the lack
> of non European input. Anyway the club supports the owners in many ways
> apart from the magazine and these mods are a typical example. The committee
> feels that it is reasonable to limit these mods to members only so we would
> appreciate it if you did the same.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel
>
> PS. Are you coming over to the UK this summer? It would be nice to meet up
> again.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory
> mod
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> >
> > Nigel,
> > I ordered the SS before acquiring the Club mod because there
> was
> > difficulty here in getting on the memebers only section. When I found a
> > minimum order pertained, I decided to make a bulk order and so have 4 feet
> > of same and sent out the message.
> > I presume you provide only the SS tubing (as I) but if you
> > produce more, please let me know and will duplicate your method for ease
> of
> > understanding. What I don't know is whether the colonists will want to pay
> > for a 'foreign' membership! They are pretty paranoid right now, what with
> > border people inspecting lipsticks etc. What was a whimsical faux pas is
> now
> > a fullblown xenaphobia....
> > Best regards to you both,
> > Ferg
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa
> factory
> > mod
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
> > <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> > >
> > > The outrigger mod is a Europa Club mod. Having fitted it to my
> Europa
> > as
> > > an individual mod (UK PFA approved) the PFA suggested that it was made
> > more
> > > readily available. I have twice mentioned it to the factory because it
> > needs
> > > the minimum of extra parts and they could stock it as a factory mod.
> They
> > > don't seem to be interested which is why it has become a club mod.
> Anyone
> > > wishing to make use of this mod has only to join the club and the
> details
> > > are then free. The club is there to support Europa owners so it is
> hardly
> > a
> > > big expense to sign up when we spend thousands of 's/$'s on the aircraft
> > in
> > > the first place. In the near future, as the stainless tube required for
> > part
> > > of the mod is a little difficult to obtain, I am purchasing stock to
> make
> > up
> > > kits of parts for those east of the Atlantic and I believe Fergus Kyle
> is
> > > helping out those of you on the west side. I will be placing an order
> for
> > > parts at the end of the month so anyone in Europe wishing to make use of
> > > this service should contact me by then to confirm their order.
> > >
> > > Nigel Charles
> > > Europa Club Mods Rep
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > > About moods: What about the outrigger mod?
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I have never had a problem with paying my dues. The club treasurer keeps my
credit card number on file and asks every year to simply verify my wish to
continue my membership, that the credit card info is the same, and viola',
it's done.
Although there was that one one time payment for someone's Rolls-Royce! ;-)
joke!
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
>I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to
pay the membership dues. Sending in British Pounds
>would be difficult for most. It's not the money, it's the
inconvenience.
What is "inconvenient" about giving your credit card number?????????
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Folks,
I don't remember if I told you about our weather station but its great.
Have a look at it on the web. There are a couple of tiny problems left to
resolve but it gives you all the fundamental data you need.
www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
Regards
Kevin
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Hi folks,
I'm not sure if we have anyone on here who can help but let me try anyway.
I have a Europa with the NSI Subaru engine. Recently I bought a spare engine
(block) for it. I didn't pay very much for it and all the ancillary bits had
been used for spares on other aircraft. As the seller couldn't find the logs
in his very busy workshop the PFA are asking for it to be stripped
completely. I'm currently waiting for the PFA to clarify exactly what their
requirement is but if there is anyone out there that has done this then any
advice would be greatly appreciated.
The engine is the 120hp NSI Subaru (SHO) version and hence will have more Hp
than my current one which is one of the reasons I want to use it. I have put
new valves in and bought the new exhaust this engine requires too. All other
parts are interchangeable inc Alt, TBI carb, Gear reduction module and
ignition.
Incidentally the easy option, for me, is if anyone know who removed a NSI
Subaru 120hp SHO from a Europa ser no 742559 then if the previous owner has
the logs I would be eternally grateful. I thought it may have come from Bill
Wynne Europa but I'm not able to confirm that.
All advice appreciated (other than buy a Rotax) as I have to say I do like
the Sub. I found it very interesting to read a flight report on one by the
Europa guys in a previous newsletter.
Cheers
Kevin
Gouro (400 hours and a sweet dream)
---
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
after trading emails with Rowland, there currently is
no secure website set up for giving credit card numbers
and info. If anyone wants to check it out, there is a
free windows based web server called TinyWeb that
supposedly supports secure transactions.
I will either send an international money order or call
or work out a way via email with Rowland.
Personally, I think the club it too good of a resource
to pass up for the minimal hassle of payment.
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to
see any Europa
factory mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith"
<jodel@tiscali.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like"
<josephlike@cox.net>
>I think more Americans would become club members if it
was easier to
pay the membership dues. Sending in British Pounds
>would be difficult for most. It's not the money, it's
the
inconvenience.
What is "inconvenient" about giving your credit card
number?????????
Simon
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| Subject: | europa club renewals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
do not archive
As many of you will already be aware, I sent out a bulk e-mail
reminder to Europa Club members that the end of the Club year is
approaching and that subscriptions will run out at the end of March.
Many thanks to those who have responded promptly with renewals, and
with updated details. I'll shortly be putting up on the website a new
list of the Europa fleet hours flown.
Alas, I also received a number of "message undeliverable" responses -
some people have changed their e-mail address and forgotten to tell
me. If any of the following are on this forum, please get in touch
(direct with me at <europa-club@rowil.clara.net>, don't send it to
the list) to tell me your correct e-mail address:
Sean Anglin
John Bampfylde
Steve Barker
Dave Bennett
George Birks
Ian Brookes
Stewart Buckingham
David Conrad
Peter Davis
Bill Dewey
Mike Dolphin
Jim Gunnlaugson
John Heykoop
Jeff Jukes
Ian MacPhee
Troy Maynor
Gordon Murray
Simon Nash
Rob Neils
Kim Prout
Andrew Ringrose
Gary Roberts
Danny Shepherd
Colin Smallwood
Nicholas Stokes
Thanks for any updates.
regards
Rowland
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (490 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Joe!
I just send them my mastercard number and its a done deal. I
renew it the same way. VERRRY easy.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:31:56 -0500 "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like"
> <josephlike@cox.net>
>
> I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to
> pay the
> membership dues. Sending in British Pounds would be difficult for
> most. It's not
> the money, it's the inconvenience.
>
> Joseph J. Like
> A086 Mono XS hybrid
> Jabiru 3300
>
>
> Nigel Charles wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
> <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi Ferg
> >
> > I ordered 5 feet first time around and although that was enough
> for 15
> > aircraft it was soon used up.
> >
> > To make things easier for customers I have decided to buy the
> following to
> > make up the kit:
> >
> > 4" steel tube
> > 2 AN4 sized stiff nuts (I forget the MS number)
> > 4 AN4 sized thin washers
> > 2 grease nipples.
> >
> > All but the grease nipples are obtained from Wicks (or A/C
> Spruce). My local
> > car accessory shop supply the grease nipples. Just choose a size
> with a
> > common thread so a tap can easily be obtained.
> >
> > Reference membership. I feel it is pretty poor if builders of
> $50,000
> > aircraft feel they cannot afford the membership of the club. The
> fact that
> > quite a lot of the articles are European orientated says more
> about the lack
> > of non European input. Anyway the club supports the owners in many
> ways
> > apart from the magazine and these mods are a typical example. The
> committee
> > feels that it is reasonable to limit these mods to members only so
> we would
> > appreciate it if you did the same.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> > PS. Are you coming over to the UK this summer? It would be nice to
> meet up
> > again.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any
> Europa factory
> > mod
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle"
> <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> > >
> > > Nigel,
> > > I ordered the SS before acquiring the Club mod
> because there
> > was
> > > difficulty here in getting on the memebers only section. When I
> found a
> > > minimum order pertained, I decided to make a bulk order and so
> have 4 feet
> > > of same and sent out the message.
> > > I presume you provide only the SS tubing (as I) but
> if you
> > > produce more, please let me know and will duplicate your method
> for ease
> > of
> > > understanding. What I don't know is whether the colonists will
> want to pay
> > > for a 'foreign' membership! They are pretty paranoid right now,
> what with
> > > border people inspecting lipsticks etc. What was a whimsical
> faux pas is
> > now
> > > a fullblown xenaphobia....
> > > Best regards to you both,
> > > Ferg
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any
> Europa
> > factory
> > > mod
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles"
> > > <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> > > >
> > > > The outrigger mod is a Europa Club mod. Having fitted it
> to my
> > Europa
> > > as
> > > > an individual mod (UK PFA approved) the PFA suggested that it
> was made
> > > more
> > > > readily available. I have twice mentioned it to the factory
> because it
> > > needs
> > > > the minimum of extra parts and they could stock it as a
> factory mod.
> > They
> > > > don't seem to be interested which is why it has become a club
> mod.
> > Anyone
> > > > wishing to make use of this mod has only to join the club and
> the
> > details
> > > > are then free. The club is there to support Europa owners so
> it is
> > hardly
> > > a
> > > > big expense to sign up when we spend thousands of 's/$'s on
> the aircraft
> > > in
> > > > the first place. In the near future, as the stainless tube
> required for
> > > part
> > > > of the mod is a little difficult to obtain, I am purchasing
> stock to
> > make
> > > up
> > > > kits of parts for those east of the Atlantic and I believe
> Fergus Kyle
> > is
> > > > helping out those of you on the west side. I will be placing
> an order
> > for
> > > > parts at the end of the month so anyone in Europe wishing to
> make use of
> > > > this service should contact me by then to confirm their
> order.
> > > >
> > > > Nigel Charles
> > > > Europa Club Mods Rep
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
> > > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > About moods: What about the outrigger mod?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hear Hear!
I don't believe any one (except Van's I'm told) can so what we can.
Hav'nt seen a video where he shows what it can do safely. Ours is tried
and proven. A caviot to this, the tri-gear was not spun, only the
mono-wheel. So, be careful. However, loops and rolls seem nice.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:41 -0500 "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> "I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's
> ) that
> openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on
> their
> promotional videos."
>
> In both directions..........!
> Cheers, ferg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop torque settings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Since we are on the subject of prop bolt settings, does anyone know what the
torque settings for the standard warp drive prop (Rotax 912 engine).
Could also do with the torque settings for the prop hub bolts (these are
something like M6 but probably imperial)
I am currently using 20nm for the main prop attachment bolts but I suspect
this is way too high. None of my manuals gives a figure for the prop bolts
but 20 nm seems to be the setting for most of the other M8 bolts used by
Rotax.
Carl P
G-LABS
kit 49 (Classic)
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Selector Extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Svein,
I am working through your instructions for the fitment of the Andair Fuel
Selector. Firstly, I haven't even sat in my Classic Mono fuselage! I have only
just finished the wings and am about to start on the fuselage. I have a lot of
decisions to make in quick time, namely engine type for fuel setup, whether to
remain mono or go tri, etc etc. I think I will probably stay mono with a mod to
fit quick removeable trundle wheels for ease of moving it around. I am going to
mod the wingtips, which i haven't finished yet, with a steel tube insert for a
wing dolly and also for a method of hanging the wings on the trailer. Anyway,
lots of things to think about. If I stay tri, and want to put my fuel selector
where you did, well it will be a bit of a challenge. I have the original
cockpit module, with the first stage LA mod for seat width. I believe the XS
cockpit module is a lot narrower So the consequence of this is that I may widen
my seat pans into the tunnel, and lower the shelf portion if I can, but the
wheel and the flap tube will limit what I do. So, I have plans but don't really
know if it is possible yet, as I don't really have a good mental picture of
what goes where. I ideally want the selector where I can see it, but I could
also put it under my right thigh support if it could fit there. Do you think it
could go there??I know of another who put it beside his right hip, which might
be OK too, but I want easy access and I don't know if this would create a good
access after all.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 12:25 PM 2/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
><sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>
>Tony,
>
>
>> I was wondering if there is any opinion about the Andair Fuel Selector
>> Extensions?
>
>I have just installed this on my TRI-GEAR, where the aft part of the center
>consol is free inside. If yours also is a tri-gear, my recommendation is
>the following (obviously does not apply to mono-wheels):
>
>- Fit the selector handle in a recessed cup made of 3 plys of bid (I used
>the lower part of a white wine bottle as the mold), installed 100 mm (4")
>aft of the knuckle for the mono's hand brakes (measured to the center of the
>box) where the width is sufficient for this cup. In this position, it is
>easy to operate the handle (a safety knob must be lifted at the same time as
>you turn the handle to get it to "Off", easy to do by one hand), it is easy
>to see the position of the handle and it is out of the way since it is
>recessed.
>- Cut the opening for the cup a little larger than the OD of the cup,
>because according to the factory's recommendation you should reinforce this
>cut-out with 2 plys of bid going from the underside through the opening (all
>around its circumference) and onto the top, abt. 1 inch in under/over. Also
>put some extra bid plys under the top along the sides and onto the top and
>around the cup (after you have glued it in place with Araldite/Redux).
>- I installed the valve on the underside of a cross-bar between the two
>center tunnel sides, made of 10 mm foam with two plys of bid all around.
>This makes the cross-bar very stiff yet light. I bolted the valve on the
>underside for easy removal. In any event, make sure the cross-bar will not
>interfere with the rudder cables running along the sides of the tunnel.
>- When installing the valve, it must be absolutely square to the extension
>tube, unless you opt for the more expensive universal joint extension.
>Being careful and using Araldite with flox to bed the valve on the
>cross-bar, you should be OK, though. I riveted the top of the extension
>tube to the selector handle first, and then inserted (but not yet riveted)
>the lower end into the valve for this alignment process and let the valve
>just sink into the Araldite/flox bed under its own weight. Grease the
>valve's mounting pads first! When cured, make certain 3 times that you have
>the selector handle and the valve correctly orientated (I set the handle to
>"Off" and checked that I could not blow through any of the valve holes).
>Then use Rapid Aaraldite to glue the lower tube end to the valve spindle
>insert. When cured, put in the rivets.
>- When all is done and correct operation of the valve is verified, now is
>the time to empty the bottle used as the mold for the cup!
>
>- Note on the rivets: The instructions that came from Andair specified a
>too large drill size for the rivets, you'll see that immediately when you
>open the package. By the way, I riveted the top of the tube to the handle
>without dismantling the handle - much easier that way (again a deviation
>from the instructions).
>- When ordering, specify hose fittings for 8 mm ID hose. These are not
>stock items at Andair's (10 and 6 mm are), but they made 8 mm's for me at no
>extra charge. These fittings are unique to the valve, you cannot use
>ordinary screwed-in fittings.
>
>The valve looks like a very good quality product.
>
>If you - or anyone else - are interested in some photographs of this
>installation, let me know off-list.
>
>Regards,
>Svein
>A225 - now in Norway
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd really
appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks in
anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd
really appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks
in anticipation. Reg Tony Renshaw
The Norton was pulled out Europa's aircraft many moons ago and I haven't
heard of anyone else putting a rotary into a Europa.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Tony,
Now that I have been up and down the engine choice pole, if I was to do it
over I would chose a 914 and fit an intercooler to it. My flying profile
seems to lean towards longer cross country flying and I like to go as fast
as I can.
If you are more of a weekend warrior type and only want to bop around to fly
in breakfasts then a 912S would be a better choice. By the way, is Graham
with you this week ?
Cheers, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Rotaries
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd really
> appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks in
> anticipation.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: air brake push rod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
I made the mistake of not opening every last little plastic bag and
discovered 2 years later that I am missing the oil cooler fittings that the
hoses fit onto. They said ...sorry.
Troy
Upon receipt of the kit
>it is normal practise to check the manifest and advise Europa of any
>shortages. They are more than happy to supply any bits that may have
>been inadvertently short shipped - after all, you've already paid for
>the parts.
>
>Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: PreDial@aol.com
Great news concerning the future PFA approval of an intercooler. It makes a
great difference. I've flown with Dennis Vories and his plane is performs as
he states. Many of us have been waiting (wanting) an intercooler solution.
Thanks
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
do not archive
Men,
Since we all know the Europa was fully spin tested and presumably
satisfactorily, can anyone tell me why the Owner's Manual in the placard
section states "Intentional Spinning Prohibited"?
I asked this question directly of Ivan Shaw a few years ago when I met him
at a bar-b-que and got absolutely no joy. In true political style, all he
said was that the aircraft had been fully spin tested..........but that
wasn't what I asked him!.... I said "Why can't we spin it?"
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spinning..........
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Hear Hear!
> I don't believe any one (except Van's I'm told) can so what we can.
> Hav'nt seen a video where he shows what it can do safely. Ours is tried
> and proven. A caviot to this, the tri-gear was not spun, only the
> mono-wheel. So, be careful. However, loops and rolls seem nice.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:41 -0500 "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> >
> > "I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's
> > ) that
> > openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on
> > their
> > promotional videos."
> >
> > In both directions..........!
> > Cheers, ferg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory
mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
>
> I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to pay
the membership dues. Sending in British Pounds would be difficult for most.
It's not> the money, it's the inconvenience.>
> Joseph J. Like
> A086 Mono XS hybrid
> Jabiru 3300
Now, Joseph,
Does this mean it's much more convenient for Canadians to pay
for U.S. goods, or membership in the club? Can you not get a foreign money
order in British pounds? Is it the dangerous drive to the bank? Isn't it
worth it to join fellow builders whose purpose is to be of use to one
another?
Anyway, membership works for me........... and my buddies. I
find that convenient.
Cheers,
Ferg
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| Subject: | Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
I believe it is a government restriction (meaning CAA /
FAA and the civil courts) not just a manufacturer
prohibition. Since there are lawyers involved,
(especially here in California - as Steve Hagar
mentioned earlier, "the peoples republic of
California"...it is really the lawyers republic of
California), there should be a distinction made that
"as tested" and "certified for" are two entirely
different liability clauses. More than likely the PFA
has a very rigorous and lengthy process to get an
aircraft certificated as "fully aerobatic" (if there is
any process at all) and since this is not the intent of
the Europa, the process would be too expensive and time
consuming.
Remember that even though an aircraft spar may be
tested to +/- 12g does not mean you should try it or
that it will withstand continual maneuvers at this
loading.
IMHO it just means that the aircraft should come
through UNINTENTIONAL spins but may suffer catastrophic
failure if subjected to continual severe stressing.
Unfortunately, the DeHavilland Comet is the example
that comes to mind...pressurization was tested, just
not prolonged continual pressurization cycles including
severe flight conditions. Like most restrictions that
are now enforced regarding aircraft, they are usually
due to loss of life and property.
so, in a word: Liability (but in California it is:
Money)
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spinning..........
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
do not archive
Men,
Since we all know the Europa was fully spin tested and
presumably
satisfactorily, can anyone tell me why the Owner's
Manual in the placard
section states "Intentional Spinning Prohibited"?
I asked this question directly of Ivan Shaw a few years
ago when I met him
at a bar-b-que and got absolutely no joy. In true
political style, all he
said was that the aircraft had been fully spin
tested..........but that
wasn't what I asked him!.... I said "Why can't we spin
it?"
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spinning..........
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson
<europajim@juno.com>
>
> Hear Hear!
> I don't believe any one (except Van's I'm told) can
so what we can.
> Hav'nt seen a video where he shows what it can do
safely. Ours is tried
> and proven. A caviot to this, the tri-gear was not
spun, only the
> mono-wheel. So, be careful. However, loops and
rolls seem nice.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:41 -0500 "Fergus Kyle"
<VE3LVO@rac.ca> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle"
<VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> >
> > "I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor
( outside of Van's
> > ) that
> > openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully
developed spin on
> > their
> > promotional videos."
> >
> > In both directions..........!
> > Cheers, ferg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | trailers and intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
It's been an interesting weekend. Lincoln Ragel was kind enough to show me one
of two open trailers that Sam built for the two of them. He also showed me Kim
Prout's aluminum trailer which was shipped from across the pond. I had brought
my welder with me and we took lots of photos and measurements. Sam built
these trailers some 4 years ago and the materials at that time cost him about
$1,300 per trailer with most parts coming out of the Northern equipment catalog.
Unfortunately, Sam did not make blueprints/drawings, etc so we'd have to
develop them as we go.
At this point I'm leaning towards buying a covered trailer rather than going with
the open design. It's not much more money and I won't have to worry about
finding a garage to park the thing in. The only reason I was considering the
open design was due to the idea of single person rig/de-rigging. However Lincoln
said even with a wing dolly this would be a very difficult endeavor. Does
anyone have a covered trailer I could see photos and/or sources of suppliers
of?
However my welder said he'd be willing to mock one up for someone else if they
want... contact me off line and I'll send you his email address if you want to
pursue it.
By the way, does anyone know if Europa has a patent on the trailer? Is there any
possibility of them sharing the plans with those of us in the states?
On another note I searched the archives for intercooler articles and found 62 articles.
I waded through them all and found very little of use. I did find out
that it's untrue that Dennis Vories used a Nissan 300zx intercooler- it's too
long to fit in the cowling so the one he uses was custom made. This is heresay
but it came from a reliable source. Lincoln has a friend also trying to
build an intercooler for his plane. My plans are to piggy back on his efforts
or perhaps Karim will come up with a design shortly. Until then I'll move my
oil reservoir to the port side and run without the intercooler.
Regards, Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/23/2003 7:10:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
PreDial@aol.com writes:
> Great news concerning the future PFA approval of an intercooler. It makes
> a
> great difference. I've flown with Dennis Vories and his plane is performs
> as
> he states. Many of us have been waiting (wanting) an intercooler solution.
> Thanks
>
Does the intercooler help with engine parameters in climb, such as cylinder
temps and oil temps?
Dave
A227
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:05:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
> Since we all know the Europa was fully spin tested and presumably
> satisfactorily, can anyone tell me why the Owner's Manual in the placard
> section states "Intentional Spinning Prohibited"?
>
> I asked this question directly of Ivan Shaw a few years ago when I met him
> at a bar-b-que and got absolutely no joy. In true political style, all he
> said was that the aircraft had been fully spin tested..........but that
> wasn't what I asked him!.... I said "Why can't we spin it?"
>
If it is anything like US part 23 certification, there are standards for
spinning characteristics that allow an airplane to be flown, and a higher
level of spin characteristics for those that can be intentionally spun (150
and 172). All airplanes have to pass the spin testing, but very few are
certified for intentional spins.
Dave
A227
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| Subject: | Re: trailers and intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" <Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
Hi all,
I have a covered trailer for my monowheel. It is set up for single person
rigging - works a treat. I'll post some photos when I can.
regards,
M Parkin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possible2do@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: trailers and intercoolers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi all;
>
> It's been an interesting weekend. Lincoln Ragel was kind enough to show
me one of two open trailers that Sam built for the two of them. He also
showed me Kim Prout's aluminum trailer which was shipped from across the
pond. I had brought my welder with me and we took lots of photos and
measurements. Sam built these trailers some 4 years ago and the materials
at that time cost him about $1,300 per trailer with most parts coming out of
the Northern equipment catalog. Unfortunately, Sam did not make
blueprints/drawings, etc so we'd have to develop them as we go.
>
> At this point I'm leaning towards buying a covered trailer rather than
going with the open design. It's not much more money and I won't have to
worry about finding a garage to park the thing in. The only reason I was
considering the open design was due to the idea of single person
rig/de-rigging. However Lincoln said even with a wing dolly this would be
a very difficult endeavor. Does anyone have a covered trailer I could see
photos and/or sources of suppliers of?
>
> However my welder said he'd be willing to mock one up for someone else if
they want... contact me off line and I'll send you his email address if you
want to pursue it.
>
> By the way, does anyone know if Europa has a patent on the trailer? Is
there any possibility of them sharing the plans with those of us in the
states?
>
> On another note I searched the archives for intercooler articles and found
62 articles. I waded through them all and found very little of use. I did
find out that it's untrue that Dennis Vories used a Nissan 300zx
intercooler- it's too long to fit in the cowling so the one he uses was
custom made. This is heresay but it came from a reliable source. Lincoln
has a friend also trying to build an intercooler for his plane. My plans
are to piggy back on his efforts or perhaps Karim will come up with a design
shortly. Until then I'll move my oil reservoir to the port side and run
without the intercooler.
>
> Regards, Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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