Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:03 AM - Re: Prop torque settings (Peter Davis)
2. 01:20 AM - Re: Rotaries (Tony Renshaw)
3. 03:40 AM - Re: Rotaries (hedley brown)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: Spinning.......... (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Spinning.......... (Andy Draper)
6. 07:48 AM - 914 oil temps (DJA727@aol.com)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: Prop torque settings (Andy Draper)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: Rotaries (Andy Draper)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: GPS Aerial (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: GPS Aerial (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
11. 10:17 AM - Door locks (Paul Stewart)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: trailers and intercoolers (Terry Seaver)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: GPS Aerial (Ian Mansfeld)
14. 12:10 PM - Re: Door locks (Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com)
15. 12:25 PM - Re: trailers and intercoolers (R.C.Harrison)
16. 12:52 PM - Seats & stainless Reg No. plate (Richard)
17. 12:55 PM - Length of fuselage halves (Jeremy Davey)
18. 12:58 PM - Re: Door locks (Richard)
19. 01:14 PM - Re: Seats & stainless Reg No. plate (R.C.Harrison)
20. 01:14 PM - SV: SV: Andair Fuel Selector Extensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
21. 01:14 PM - SV: trailers and intercoolers (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
22. 01:14 PM - Re: Length of fuselage halves (Richard)
23. 02:11 PM - Was: Fuel sight gauges (ScramIt@aol.com)
24. 02:37 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
25. 03:09 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europafactory mod (R.C.Harrison)
26. 04:48 PM - Re: Door locks (KARL HEINDL)
27. 06:41 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03 (Doug Lawton)
28. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03 (Michael Holcomb)
29. 07:35 PM - Re: BRS and Europa (Chris Cameron)
30. 07:48 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod (Paul McAllister)
31. 07:59 PM - Re: Seats & stainless Reg No. plate (erichdtrombley@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Prop torque settings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Hi Carl,
I have in front of me some bumph from Warp Drive Inc. in which they state
that the 1/4" bolts have a setting of 100 to 120 inch pounds (9-10 foot
pounds) and the 5/16th bolts 175 inch pounds (14.5 ft. lbs).
This sheet deals with the hub assembly and It goes on to say that the bolts
should be re-torqued after 1hr operation and thereafter every 5 - 10 hours
as part of regular maintenance. It also,usefully, states that the airfoils
should face in the same direction. If you have a fax I can send this sheet
through to you.
Hope this helps.
Peter
peterdavis@ntlworld.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl & Dot
Subject: Europa-List: Prop torque settings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Since we are on the subject of prop bolt settings, does anyone know what the
torque settings for the standard warp drive prop (Rotax 912 engine).
Could also do with the torque settings for the prop hub bolts (these are
something like M6 but probably imperial)
I am currently using 20nm for the main prop attachment bolts but I suspect
this is way too high. None of my manuals gives a figure for the prop bolts
but 20 nm seems to be the setting for most of the other M8 bolts used by
Rotax.
Carl P
G-LABS
kit 49 (Classic)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Paul,
Graham is here from the 4th till the 11th. Big plans to put the cockpit module
in, but I'll take as much as I can, so to speak. I am not that hopeful, but
some consolidated building would be good. If I can get all the flight controls
in that would be good, and maybe the fuel tank. Not really much more to the
cockpit module I know, but I simply can't imagine getting all that work done.
Kingsley Hirst from Taroom is coming down on Sunday for the best part of a week
and is going to help me build a fuselage cradle first up. This should be a
great help, as he is also bringing down his profiles. I havent decided which
engine but it appears it will be the 914 by default. There is a mob in New
Zealand who would love me to put there Subaru conversion in, and combine with
an Airmaster prop. I could possibly get a tax deduction out of the aeroplane if
I did that too which might make it attractive. Lots of water to go under the
bridge yet, before I need to make those sorts of decisions, but I truly don't
want to give up and I have high hopes of getting the lid on this year, if all
goes well.
Rg
Tony R.
P.S. I'd still love a rotary though.!!!!
At 08:11 PM 2/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi Tony,
>
>Now that I have been up and down the engine choice pole, if I was to do it
>over I would chose a 914 and fit an intercooler to it. My flying profile
>seems to lean towards longer cross country flying and I like to go as fast
>as I can.
>
>If you are more of a weekend warrior type and only want to bop around to fly
>in breakfasts then a 912S would be a better choice. By the way, is Graham
>with you this week ?
>
>Cheers, Paul
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Rotaries
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd really
>> appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks in
>> anticipation.
>> Reg
>> Tony Renshaw
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Yes - Oliver Smith's ....h
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotaries
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >> Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd
> really appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks
> in anticipation. Reg Tony Renshaw
>
> The Norton was pulled out Europa's aircraft many moons ago and I haven't
> heard of anyone else putting a rotary into a Europa.
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning.......... |
02/24/2003 08:53:01 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
I have done one turn spins in N914EA and found nothing remarkable.
I have it on very good authority however that multiturn spins become easy
to
flatten and then the trouble starts!
Ira
N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Spinning.......... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Jim,
The Tri-gear was indeed spun, although we didn't record this with video. The behaviour
in spin recovery is much the same as with the mono-wheel. The Motor
glider also was spin tested.
Best Regards
Andy Draper
Technical Director
e-mail andy@europa-aircraft.com
>>> James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> 02/23/03 10:58pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hear Hear!
I don't believe any one (except Van's I'm told) can so what we can.
Hav'nt seen a video where he shows what it can do safely. Ours is tried
and proven. A caviot to this, the tri-gear was not spun, only the
mono-wheel. So, be careful. However, loops and rolls seem nice.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:41 -0500 "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> "I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's
> ) that
> openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on
> their
> promotional videos."
>
> In both directions..........!
> Cheers, ferg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
A question to the 914 fliers:
What oil temps do you see in a typical sustained climb at what speed? What
cylinder temps do you also see?
I am up to flight #9 today and am flying in cold weather, seeing up to 220
degrees when reading 15,000 feet, at 90 knots. I think I will have a problem
in the warm weather. The long wing airplane will be getting some serious cowl
modifications to keep the engine warm when shut down -- and reducing drag. It
looks like I will need to incorporate improved cooling in that design, unless
these numbers are not out of line.
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Prop torque settings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Carl,
The torque figures are with on the data sheet supplied with the propeller. I'll
send you a copy if you cannot find one.
The blade bolts should be torqued to 100 - 120 inch pounds ( 9 - 10 foot pounds
/ 11.3 - 13.5 Nm) and the hub bolts to 175 inch pounds ( 14.5 foot pounds /
19.8 Nm ).
Andy
>>> "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com> 02/23/03 11:39pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Since we are on the subject of prop bolt settings, does anyone know what the
torque settings for the standard warp drive prop (Rotax 912 engine).
Could also do with the torque settings for the prop hub bolts (these are
something like M6 but probably imperial)
I am currently using 20nm for the main prop attachment bolts but I suspect
this is way too high. None of my manuals gives a figure for the prop bolts
but 20 nm seems to be the setting for most of the other M8 bolts used by
Rotax.
Carl P
G-LABS
kit 49 (Classic)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi Tony,
There are two rotaries that I know of in Europas. One is kit No. 3 Oliver Smith
and the other is Roger Lloyd kit No. 6.
Regards
Andy
>>> Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au> 02/24/03 01:41am >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
Are there any rotary installations left in a Europa? If so, I'd really
appreciate some details so that I can ask a few questions. Thanks in
anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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02/24/2003 11:20:33 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi All,
I just mounted my GPS antenna (a Trimble active version) inside my
instrument
module (is that a binnacle??). It works fine. It is less than six inches
from my
other avionics, but so far no trouble. GPS frequencies are quite distant
from other
avionics frequencies. I presume none of them are on a harmonic of 1090 MHz
;-)
Ira
N224XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Hi Ira,
Being that RF is my specialty, I would suspect that the folks having trouble
with GPS reception with the antenna mounted in the panel are likely caused by
the proximity to metal parts to the antenna or a leaky coax connector.
Grounded metal parts, i.e., radio chasis, wiring, etc, would "desense" the
receive characteristics of the antenna if they are close enough by changing
the characteristics of the SWR of the receive antenna. GPS signals are weak
and it doesn't take much to make the signal unusable. A leaky coax connector
close by on your Com or Transponder wouldn't help matters either.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
In the process of fitting the door latch mechanism. I'm thinking of lockable
doors as per the factory accessory catalogue. Anyone who has fitted them, I
was intending to bond the back plate into the door sill tomorrow, I don't
want to do this if fitting the locks will interfere.
Anyone got any advice
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Re: trailers and intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi all,
One comment on covered trailers. In a recent conversation about trailers with
a builder of a 'Kitfox' like homebuilt (a forget the name of the kit), He commented
that the trailers, even with the plane in them, are fairly light, making
them very susceptible to cross winds when being towed. Sail plane trailers are
long with a pretty low profile, so they are not as easily blown around as a
wider/taller enclosed trailer would be.
Just a thought,
regards,
Terry Seaver
Paul Boulet wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all;
>
> It's been an interesting weekend. Lincoln Ragel was kind enough to show me one
of two open trailers that Sam built for the two of them. He also showed me
Kim Prout's aluminum trailer which was shipped from across the pond. I had brought
my welder with me and we took lots of photos and measurements. Sam built
these trailers some 4 years ago and the materials at that time cost him about
$1,300 per trailer with most parts coming out of the Northern equipment catalog.
Unfortunately, Sam did not make blueprints/drawings, etc so we'd have to
develop them as we go.
>
> At this point I'm leaning towards buying a covered trailer rather than going
with the open design. It's not much more money and I won't have to worry about
finding a garage to park the thing in. The only reason I was considering the
open design was due to the idea of single person rig/de-rigging. However Lincoln
said even with a wing dolly this would be a very difficult endeavor. Does
anyone have a covered trailer I could see photos and/or sources of suppliers
of?
>
> However my welder said he'd be willing to mock one up for someone else if they
want... contact me off line and I'll send you his email address if you want
to pursue it.
>
> By the way, does anyone know if Europa has a patent on the trailer? Is there
any possibility of them sharing the plans with those of us in the states?
>
> On another note I searched the archives for intercooler articles and found 62
articles. I waded through them all and found very little of use. I did find
out that it's untrue that Dennis Vories used a Nissan 300zx intercooler- it's
too long to fit in the cowling so the one he uses was custom made. This is heresay
but it came from a reliable source. Lincoln has a friend also trying to
build an intercooler for his plane. My plans are to piggy back on his efforts
or perhaps Karim will come up with a design shortly. Until then I'll move
my oil reservoir to the port side and run without the intercooler.
>
> Regards, Paul Boulet, A212, Malibu, California
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
There is a VHF frequency that is exactly a 10th harmonic of the civil GPS
one, and it is 122.760MHz. This is why some manufacturers, such as Garmin,
offer a plug-in notch filter. Although you may think that the power at the
10th harmonic is negligible, the GPS recieves signals from the satellites
that are below the noise floor (some clever signal processing and knowledge
of what the signal should look like allows it to be extracted from the
noise). If you are going to upset the GPS with a VHF airband transmitter,
this is the frequency that will do it.
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS Aerial
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just mounted my GPS antenna (a Trimble active version) inside my
> instrument
> module (is that a binnacle??). It works fine. It is less than six inches
> from my
> other avionics, but so far no trouble. GPS frequencies are quite distant
> from other
> avionics frequencies. I presume none of them are on a harmonic of 1090 MHz
> ;-)
>
> Ira
> N224XS
>
>
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02/24/2003 03:09:14 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/24/2003 03:09:14 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
I don't know how others have done this, but my locks are fitted to the
rear section of the door, and they work by contacting a stop (actually
just a circular clamp) on the push rod. I positioned the lock below the
push rod so that if it fails it will fail in the open position. It means
that a section of the door has to be cut out and reglassed in - it can be
done after the latch mechanism has been installed
Dave A061
"Paul Stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/24/03 01:23 PM
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To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Europa-List: Door locks
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
In the process of fitting the door latch mechanism. I'm thinking of
lockable
doors as per the factory accessory catalogue. Anyone who has fitted them,
I
was intending to bond the back plate into the door sill tomorrow, I don't
want to do this if fitting the locks will interfere.
Anyone got any advice
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | trailers and intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Terry/all
That is one reason mine is heavy, the other is that heavy trailers don't
bounce making tie downs damage the cargo! Nothing in my trailer is / or
needs tying down.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Seaver
Subject: Re: Europa-List: trailers and intercoolers
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi all,
One comment on covered trailers. In a recent conversation about trailers
with a builder of a 'Kitfox' like homebuilt (a forget the name of the kit),
He commented that the trailers, even with the plane in them, are fairly
light, making them very susceptible to cross winds when being towed. Sail
plane trailers are long with a pretty low profile, so they are not as easily
blown around as a wider/taller enclosed trailer would be.
Just a thought,
regards,
Terry Seaver
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| Subject: | Seats & stainless Reg No. plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
What options are available on seats? Is this another DIY job or are there
'standard' off the peg seats available? Europa tell me that they will be
supplying seats & upholstery options but it doesn't seem to be happening
soon enough for me.
Also where do I source an engraved stainless plate with my reg. no. on?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS (UK based)
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| Subject: | Length of fuselage halves |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Could someone out there please tell me the lengths of the canoe and lid
halves of the cockpit module? I'm planning my (very confined) workshop for
Stage 3 and length is pretty critical.
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
As per factory recommendation, I have cut out a 3in. diameter hole in rear
triangle of each door to fit & access the locks. I have made 4in. discs to
cover the holes, held in place with normal AN52510R8 bolts into anchor nuts
in doors around aperture. As Dave says, they can be fitted after latch is
installed or even retrofitted to finished doors.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door locks
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
I don't know how others have done this, but my locks are fitted to the
rear section of the door, and they work by contacting a stop (actually
just a circular clamp) on the push rod. I positioned the lock below the
push rod so that if it fails it will fail in the open position. It means
that a section of the door has to be cut out and reglassed in - it can be
done after the latch mechanism has been installed
Dave A061
"Paul Stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/24/03 01:23 PM
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To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Europa-List: Door locks
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
In the process of fitting the door latch mechanism. I'm thinking of
lockable
doors as per the factory accessory catalogue. Anyone who has fitted them,
I
was intending to bond the back plate into the door sill tomorrow, I don't
want to do this if fitting the locks will interfere.
Anyone got any advice
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Seats & stainless Reg No. plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
Mine are BMW 312 seat foam covered by an upholsterer. The backs needed
cutting down by about 9" but I was able to use the head rests by cutting out
sections of the metal frames from the original seat backs and fixing them in
the Europa "head rest" area. Can't remember where I got the stainless
Reg.Plate No. from probably where I got the painting done.!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: Europa-List: Seats & stainless Reg No. plate
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector Extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
--- I have the original
cockpit module, with the first stage LA mod for seat width. I believe the XS
cockpit module is a lot narrower So the consequence of this is that I may
widen
my seat pans into the tunnel, and lower the shelf portion if I can, but the
wheel and the flap tube will limit what I do. -----
I ideally want the selector where I can see it, but I could
also put it under my right thigh support if it could fit there. Do you think
it
could go there?? -----
Tony,
Some words of caution here:
- Check ANY cuts, openings or mods to the cockpit module with the factory
first. The c.m. carries sustantial loads, and also some in the longitudinal
direction between the firewall/engine mount and the wing support part (or
rather: where the module and the rest of the aircraft hang on the wings!)
- I doubt that you physically can fit the selector under (or on the front
of) the thigh support (at least not on XS) because of lack of space for the
hoses inside the thigh support. I don't know the min. bending radius for
your hose, but for the latest supplied by the factory I don't think less
than 1 3/4" is recommended (based on info on similar hose available at local
dealer here).
- Even if you could fit the valve and hoses, a good rule is that the
selector should be placed where it can easily be seen and operated both by
the pilot in the left seat and by the (safety) pilot in the right seat.
Good luck!
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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| Subject: | trailers and intercoolers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
--- Does anyone have a covered trailer I could see photos and/or sources of
suppliers of? ---
Paul,
For what it is worth in your case:
David Schofield in England is building a tailor-made covered trailer for my
Europa XS Trigear, based on his long-proven glider trailer designs. Will
double as my hangar. Maybe he is willing to sell his drawings to a US
maker, if it is too expensive to ship one across. I will pick mine up later
in the spring, so I don't have photos yet, but he has some digital photos
taken during construction that he might want to e-mail to you. You can
reach him at de_schofield@yahoo.com, or check his glider trailers at
http://www.gd-ind.com/schofieldaviation/. Mine is basically as the DS-19
shown on the web site, but shorter (thank heavens!) and without the sloped
roof forward.
Best regards,
Svein
A-225 (now in Norway)
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| Subject: | Length of fuselage halves |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
It's too Long Jeremy. Give up now before it's too late!!
My (stuck together) fuse is 15ft., give or take an inch or two from the back
end of the fin, without rudder to the front of the firewall.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: Europa-List: Length of fuselage halves
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Could someone out there please tell me the lengths of the canoe and lid
halves of the cockpit module? I'm planning my (very confined) workshop for
Stage 3 and length is pretty critical.
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
> Is it the dangerous drive to the bank?
> Cheers,
> Ferg
>
You obviously have never driven in New Jersey! : )
SteveD.
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Europa.html
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa |
factory mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 13:31 -0500 on 23-02-03, Joseph J. Like wrote:
>I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to pay the
>membership dues. Sending in British Pounds would be difficult for
>most. It's not
>the money, it's the inconvenience
Joseph - I can call your bluff on that! The Europa Club does accept
subs by credit card (MC or Visa - not debit or charge cards) and has
done for quite a few years. We went through a lot of red tape here to
set up the card acceptance facility specifically because so many
overseas people wanted to join the Club. For those unused to
transactions in different currencies, it's very simple - we get the
amount we ask in pounds sterling; you get billed for the equivalent
amount in dollars just as usual (normally with a note about the
currency conversion).
And in respect of the PFA approved mods - the people who produced the
first one had to do a lot of work to convince PFA Engineering that
the mod _and_ the documentation were up to scratch. I feel that Club
members who have donated that amount of elbow-grease to the Club are
entitled to insist that the fruits of their labours are distributed
only to Club members - not to anyone who just wants to have it all
for nothing.
Anyone who wishes to know more about the Club, please ask me for the
latest info by e-mail (no obligation). The document posted here a
while back has now been superseded in several respects.
regards
Rowland
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (490 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europafactory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
And in respect of the PFA approved mods - the people who produced the
first one had to do a lot of work to convince PFA Engineering that
the mod _and_ the documentation were up to scratch. I feel that Club
members who have donated that amount of elbow-grease to the Club are
entitled to insist that the fruits of their labours are distributed
only to Club members - not to anyone who just wants to have it all
for nothing.
Hi! All.
This has been my experience also ..... plenty of takers .... "no honour
amongst thieves".... I think it goes! Not even a word of thanks at times.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Dave,
I have done something similar, but you will find that the door skin
needs to be re-enforced from the inside. Otherwise it is too
flexible when someone tries to open the door with some force.
No lock is really secure, it merely helps to stop people from
playing with the controls etc.. The lock could be disabled within seconds by
drilling it out with a hole saw. I saved myself work
by installing only one lock on the P1 side. The other door is locked
from the inside (only on the ground) with a pip pin that goes through
the door handle guard and the handle. Saves me from going around
the airplane every time I want to lock/unlock.
Karl
>From: Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door locks
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:11:39 -0500 02/24/2003 03:09:14 PM,
>Serialize complete at 02/24/2003 03:09:14 PM
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
>
>I don't know how others have done this, but my locks are fitted to the
>rear section of the door, and they work by contacting a stop (actually
>just a circular clamp) on the push rod. I positioned the lock below the
>push rod so that if it fails it will fail in the open position. It means
>that a section of the door has to be cut out and reglassed in - it can be
>done after the latch mechanism has been installed
>
>Dave A061
>
>
>"Paul Stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>02/24/03 01:23 PM
>Please respond to europa-list
>
>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Europa-List: Door locks
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Stewart"
><paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
>In the process of fitting the door latch mechanism. I'm thinking of
>lockable
>doors as per the factory accessory catalogue. Anyone who has fitted them,
>I
>was intending to bond the back plate into the door sill tomorrow, I don't
>want to do this if fitting the locks will interfere.
>
>Anyone got any advice
>
>Paul Stewart #432
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
And when will we hear the results of the 12-turn spin test on the glider
wings? ;
)
In either direction.........
Anyone mounted a BRS reserve in a Europa yet?
Fly safely,
Doug
"I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's ) that
openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on their
promotional videos."
In both directions..........!
Cheers, ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Holcomb" <mholcomb@houston.rr.com>
Attached is a PDF file showing the pages of magazine where Miles McCallum
describes and shows the BRS installation to a Europa.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
And when will we hear the results of the 12-turn spin test on the glider
wings? ;
)
In either direction.........
Anyone mounted a BRS reserve in a Europa yet?
Fly safely,
Doug
"I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's ) that
openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on their
promotional videos."
In both directions..........!
Cheers, ferg
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| Subject: | Re: BRS and Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Cameron <c.cameron@xtra.co.nz>
Attachments don't come through the list. Can you please either post a URL or follow
the process for addition to the 'photoshare' pages.
Chris
>
> From: "Michael Holcomb" <mholcomb@houston.rr.com>
> Date: 2003/02/25 Tue PM 04:22:15 GMT+13:00
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Holcomb" <mholcomb@houston.rr.com>
>
> Attached is a PDF file showing the pages of magazine where Miles McCallum
> describes and shows the BRS installation to a Europa.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 02/23/03
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> And when will we hear the results of the 12-turn spin test on the glider
> wings? ;
> )
> In either direction.........
>
> Anyone mounted a BRS reserve in a Europa yet?
>
> Fly safely,
> Doug
>
> "I still haven't seen an American kitplane vendor ( outside of Van's ) that
> openly displays recovery from a 12-turn fully developed spin on their
> promotional videos."
>
> In both directions..........!
> Cheers, ferg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Rowland,
Can you sign me up for the Europa club? Would it be as easy as me giving you
my details and sending my credit card details. Is email secure enough or
would it be better for me to fax ?
Thanks & regards, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland & Wilma Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges + How to see any Europa factory
mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson
<rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 13:31 -0500 on 23-02-03, Joseph J. Like wrote:
>
> >I think more Americans would become club members if it was easier to pay
the
> >membership dues. Sending in British Pounds would be difficult for
> >most. It's not
> >the money, it's the inconvenience
>
> Joseph - I can call your bluff on that! The Europa Club does accept
> subs by credit card (MC or Visa - not debit or charge cards) and has
> done for quite a few years. We went through a lot of red tape here to
> set up the card acceptance facility specifically because so many
> overseas people wanted to join the Club. For those unused to
> transactions in different currencies, it's very simple - we get the
> amount we ask in pounds sterling; you get billed for the equivalent
> amount in dollars just as usual (normally with a note about the
> currency conversion).
>
> And in respect of the PFA approved mods - the people who produced the
> first one had to do a lot of work to convince PFA Engineering that
> the mod _and_ the documentation were up to scratch. I feel that Club
> members who have donated that amount of elbow-grease to the Club are
> entitled to insist that the fruits of their labours are distributed
> only to Club members - not to anyone who just wants to have it all
> for nothing.
>
> Anyone who wishes to know more about the Club, please ask me for the
> latest info by e-mail (no obligation). The document posted here a
> while back has now been superseded in several respects.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seats & stainless Reg No. plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: erichdtrombley@juno.com
Can't help you on the seats as I am still flying with wedges of foam at
the moment. Regarding the SS reg plate I purchased an 1/8" punch set and
punched out the data. Worked great and looks really good.
Erich Trombley
A028
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:53:20 -0000 "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> What options are available on seats? Is this another DIY job or are
> there
> 'standard' off the peg seats available? Europa tell me that they
> will be
> supplying seats & upholstery options but it doesn't seem to be
> happening
> soon enough for me.
>
> Also where do I source an engraved stainless plate with my reg. no.
> on?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS (UK based)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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