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1. 01:09 AM - Re: Wires through the firewall (Nigel Charles)
2. 04:35 AM - Brakes (Richard Holder)
3. 05:57 AM - Through The Firewall (Doug Lawton)
4. 08:58 AM - Re: Through The Firewall (John & Amy Eckel)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Brakes (RMRRick@aol.com)
6. 09:39 AM - 1/2 way to gliderwing, add centersection? (Ron Parigoris)
7. 10:40 AM - MP< MAP (Fergus Kyle)
8. 11:19 AM - Mounting fuel pumps (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 01:37 PM - Re: Brakes (Richard)
10. 02:45 PM - Return Line to Mag Float Access Pt. (Tony Renshaw)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: Through The Firewall (Rob Housman)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Through The Fire wall (James Nelson)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: Through The Firewall (Robert Berube)
14. 05:59 PM - converting a mono wheel to conventional (Paul Boulet)
15. 07:01 PM - Re: converting a mono wheel to conventional (Robert Berube)
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| Subject: | Re: Wires through the firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring where it
passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon cable glands
which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using them due
to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'<
I would recommend plug/sockets. Although it is another junction it makes
engine or panel removal much easier. Digikey in the USA do a good selection
including the popular AMP connectors.
Basically you choose between expensive and heavy (but fireproof) metal units
or the cheaper lighter plastic ones. I opted for the latter. One tip that
might be helpful. If you use two connectors for low power connections, one
connecting to engine mounted items and the other connected to airframe items
it makes subsequent engine removal much easier as the engine harness can be
removed with the engine. For main power to the panel I used a 3 pin high
power connector. A well as main power and earth it provides the opportunity
to use a separate alternative fuse for essential services should the main
panel fuse fail.
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi Team
Our inspector has queried our braking system for the tri-gear.
We have copied the principle of the G-KITZ demonstrator with a pair of hand
brake levers on the centre console, using the factory master cylinders. This
has the advantage of allowing control from both seats.
However we have not applied for any modification from the PFA. Our inspector
wants to see some formal paperwork.
Has anyone else done this ? If so have you any formal mod ? I would much
appreciate any advice, it would be crazy to re-create the wheel here !
TIA
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, being flight tested
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| Subject: | Through The Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Bob Berube,
These conversations about "thru the firewall" got me to thinking, with your
two eyeball airvents on your dash, that are routed through the firewall, how
did you keep that a fireproof system?
I ask here on the list rather than directly to you because it may be of
interest to others.
How's the plane coming since I was down last time?
Doug Lawton
> Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring where it
> passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon cable glands
> which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using them due
> to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'
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| Subject: | Re: Through The Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Amy Eckel <eckel1@comcast.net>
A good place to get information about running wires through
the firewall is the AeroElectric list. Go to the bottom of this
email and click on the archive address and do a search of the
AeroElectric list. Not too long ago there was a discussion on
ways to safely provide fire protection for feed throughs.
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Through The Firewall
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> Bob Berube,
>
> These conversations about "thru the firewall" got me to thinking, with
your
> two eyeball airvents on your dash, that are routed through the firewall,
how
> did you keep that a fireproof system?
>
> I ask here on the list rather than directly to you because it may be of
> interest to others.
>
> How's the plane coming since I was down last time?
>
> Doug Lawton
>
>
> > Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring where it
> > passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon cable
glands
> > which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using them
due
> > to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Yes John Scott at Cambridge engineered mine and John Brownlow was very happy
with the result as was my inspector Barry Castle, We actually used a pair of
slightly smaller bore master cylinders to give better mechanical advantage.
I my opinion twin hand levers are much better in use than toe brakes as you
have control independant of rudder inputs. It soon becomes completely
intunative. The PFA passed mine after a report by John Brownlow and a simple
drawing.
Rick Morris G-RICKS Bennington Nr Hertford.
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| Subject: | 1/2 way to gliderwing, add centersection? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ron Parigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious, think it would be feasable to perhaps add a 5 foot extra
section of wing to the short wing version?
Fooling with a model Flying Wing design that can be configured for 3,
4, or 5 foot span.
I would imagine the stock wing will be stressed a bit less, it is the
center connection that needs to be a bit beefier?
Granted not the glider wing, but slow should be good, ground handeling
not too much different and better ability to soar/store and transport?
So how busy is the Factory R+D Team?
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"Just my two bobs worth. I think manifold pressure may be abbreviated as
MAP nowadays but I'm sure it was MP once upon a time!!"
Cheers,
Old Bob may raise an objection but I think MP was always MP.
What may have confused the issue was the later term (in the course of
training) of 'MAP' which, related, was the neumonic for the drill to
initiate descent - Mixture (rich), Attitude (nosedown), Power (reduce).
Don't shoot the messenger.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Mounting fuel pumps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi all, does anyone have good way of mounting the 914 fuel pumps to the
floor behind the baggage bay?
Also, I have the Andair mini gascolator and fitted a 1/2" hose barb to the
outlet. The next connector will be a tee of 1/2" barbs to split off to the 2
fuel pumps. This eliminates the need for the 2 J1006 reducers. I found a
nylon tee fitting that will work, but I'd rather get a metal one like the
WTP002 provided in the kit. Anyone know where to get a 1/2" hose barb Tee
fitting that is not plastic? I'm trying to reduce the number of connections
as much as possible.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I did ask the factory if I could 'do my own thing' and install my own finger
brakes. They told me that this would be considered a mod and I would have
to apply to the PFA. However, they are due shortly(!) to produce a
conversion kit themselves which already has approval. It may be that you
could use the factory mod as a means to obtain approval for your own.
If anyone else has obtained approval for such a mod, I would also be
interested to hear.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS (plumbing today)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Europa-List: Brakes
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi Team
Our inspector has queried our braking system for the tri-gear.
We have copied the principle of the G-KITZ demonstrator with a pair of hand
brake levers on the centre console, using the factory master cylinders. This
has the advantage of allowing control from both seats.
However we have not applied for any modification from the PFA. Our inspector
wants to see some formal paperwork.
Has anyone else done this ? If so have you any formal mod ? I would much
appreciate any advice, it would be crazy to re-create the wheel here !
TIA
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
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| Subject: | Return Line to Mag Float Access Pt. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
I am interested in asking if someone is aware of the way to plumb into the
top of the Lyndhurst Magnetic Float Fuel Gauge tank access flange so that a
return line, or sight gauge breather etc can be attached??? I have seen an
e-mail picture but my computer swallowed it. Any assistance with this setup
would be greatly appreciated as it is all happening next week.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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| Subject: | Through The Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
I don't know how Bob would do this but my scheme uses a stainless steel
spring loaded "valve," the valve being a flat piece of SS about 60mm square
and 2mm thick, and the spring action coming from a hinge with an integral
spring. The valve is held open by means of a stainless steel cable attached
to the non-hinged edge of the SS plate, and the other fixed to the firewall
via a fusible link. Except for the fusible link, the whole assembly is
contained within an aluminum plenum (just a plain old chassis box as used
for electronic projects) that takes air flow from two SCAT tubes, one from
the heated air behind the two "radiators" and the other from the same air
intake that feeds the turbo of the 914. In the unfortunate event of an
engine-side fire, the fusible link melts and the flap slams shut against the
firewall. No pilot action is required to shut off the ventilation air to
the cockpit.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Lawton
Subject: Europa-List: Through The Firewall
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Bob Berube,
These conversations about "thru the firewall" got me to thinking, with your
two eyeball airvents on your dash, that are routed through the firewall, how
did you keep that a fireproof system?
I ask here on the list rather than directly to you because it may be of
interest to others.
How's the plane coming since I was down last time?
Doug Lawton
> Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring where it
> passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon cable glands
> which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using them due
> to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'
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| Subject: | Re: Through The Fire wall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Sounds complicated to me. Just use fire resistant ducting as you would
in any cert. aircraft. I have a fire warning system under my cowl t
assist in determining if that is a real threat.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:55:47 -0800 "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
> <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> I don't know how Bob would do this but my scheme uses a stainless
> steel
> spring loaded "valve," the valve being a flat piece of SS about 60mm
> square
> and 2mm thick, and the spring action coming from a hinge with an
> integral
> spring. The valve is held open by means of a stainless steel cable
> attached
> to the non-hinged edge of the SS plate, and the other fixed to the
> firewall
> via a fusible link. Except for the fusible link, the whole assembly
> is
> contained within an aluminum plenum (just a plain old chassis box as
> used
> for electronic projects) that takes air flow from two SCAT tubes,
> one from
> the heated air behind the two "radiators" and the other from the
> same air
> intake that feeds the turbo of the 914. In the unfortunate event of
> an
> engine-side fire, the fusible link melts and the flap slams shut
> against the
> firewall. No pilot action is required to shut off the ventilation
> air to
> the cockpit.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> A070
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug
> Lawton
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Through The Firewall
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton"
> <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> Bob Berube,
>
> These conversations about "thru the firewall" got me to thinking,
> with your
> two eyeball airvents on your dash, that are routed through the
> firewall, how
> did you keep that a fireproof system?
>
> I ask here on the list rather than directly to you because it may be
> of
> interest to others.
>
> How's the plane coming since I was down last time?
>
> Doug Lawton
>
>
> > Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring
> where it
> > passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon
> cable glands
> > which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using
> them due
> > to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Through The Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Doug,
All the fiberglass moldings inside of the engine compartment are covered
with firewall insulation material. Jim Nelson's idea of a sensor may be
adapted as well.
Bob Berube A166 conventional gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Through The Firewall
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> Bob Berube,
>
> These conversations about "thru the firewall" got me to thinking, with
your
> two eyeball airvents on your dash, that are routed through the firewall,
how
> did you keep that a fireproof system?
>
> I ask here on the list rather than directly to you because it may be of
> interest to others.
>
> How's the plane coming since I was down last time?
>
> Doug Lawton
>
>
> > Anyone got any clever ideas for supporting & protecting wiring where it
> > passes through the firewall? I have bought a couple of nylon cable
glands
> > which would work well but I am having second thoughts about using them
due
> > to the fact that they are not 'fireproof'
>
>
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| Subject: | converting a mono wheel to conventional |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi Bob Berube (presuming you're reading this);
I'm about finished building my monowheel XS and looking forward to first flight
soon. I was just wondering if you are converting any other mono wheel planes
to conventional gear. I was at your graciously hosted reception at last year's
Sun 'n Fun and saw the progress on the one you converted. Do you plan to convert
any others? How many hours is involved in the conversion? I can't make
your open house this year but hope to fly my plane there in '04.
Also I wondered if anyone had spoken seriously with a glider trailer mfg to see
if they'd be willing to build one for a Europa. It seems like the most logical
way to get an enclosed trailer to me. Thanks
Paul Boulet, N914PB
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| Subject: | Re: converting a mono wheel to conventional |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Paul,
Sorry we will not see you at the Open House this year but do look forward to
seeing your bird fly soon. We have installed several gear on new kits but
only one on an existing monowheel. The hardest part of an existing
conversion is inverting the fuselage to do the bottom work, otherwise nearly
as easy as on a new kit.
Several of our builders are experiencing the same situation with trailers.
While at Europa, I contacted at least 10 trailer manufactuers to see they
could build trailers for the monowheel. Some even took the existing trailer
to their facility and kept it for days but would always come back with a
negative response. The trailer does look simple but it is very labor
intensive. I suspect if we would of asked them to build at least 100 of
them, the response may have been more favorable. Trailers for the tri-gear
need only be a simple flat bed utility trailer with a bed width of 6' 10
inch and an axle of the 102 inch variety. We purchased a 1 year old trailer
used for $400.00 and it works perfectly.
Bob Berube A166
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Boulet" <possible2do@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: converting a mono wheel to conventional
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Bob Berube (presuming you're reading this);
> I'm about finished building my monowheel XS and looking forward to first
flight soon. I was just wondering if you are converting any other mono
wheel planes to conventional gear. I was at your graciously hosted
reception at last year's Sun 'n Fun and saw the progress on the one you
converted. Do you plan to convert any others? How many hours is involved
in the conversion? I can't make your open house this year but hope to fly
my plane there in '04.
> Also I wondered if anyone had spoken seriously with a glider trailer mfg
to see if they'd be willing to build one for a Europa. It seems like the
most logical way to get an enclosed trailer to me. Thanks
> Paul Boulet, N914PB
>
>
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>
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