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1. 01:10 AM - Re: Mounting fuel pumps (Andy Draper)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Fuel filler (Andy Draper)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Layups Peel Off! (KarkelB@aol.com)
4. 05:15 AM - Layups Peel Off! (Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Mounting fuel pumps (Kevin Klinefelter)
6. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Mounting fuel pumps (Andy Draper)
7. 07:23 AM - Trailer woes... (Paul Boulet)
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting fuel pumps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Try large P clips for mounting the pumps.
>>> "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net> 03/01/03 07:30pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi all, does anyone have good way of mounting the 914 fuel pumps to the
floor behind the baggage bay?
Also, I have the Andair mini gascolator and fitted a 1/2" hose barb to the
outlet. The next connector will be a tee of 1/2" barbs to split off to the 2
fuel pumps. This eliminates the need for the 2 J1006 reducers. I found a
nylon tee fitting that will work, but I'd rather get a metal one like the
WTP002 provided in the kit. Anyone know where to get a 1/2" hose barb Tee
fitting that is not plastic? I'm trying to reduce the number of connections
as much as possible.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Tom,
I did receive the sample, thanks, and found difficulty sealing the joints due to
the hoop rigidity of the material. Perhaps most people would be happier with
a welded aluminium tube?
I have to say that I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking at a satisfactory
replacement for the XFS07 rubber filler hose elbow and not suceeded so far.
Regards
Andy
>>> "tom" <beecho@fix.net> 03/02/03 11:06pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
Do not archive.
Karl
I just looked up polyurethane tubing on google and called one of the
manufacturers. They only sold in hundreds of feet but were happy to send me
a sample for nothing. I told Andy where I got it and of my tests. I don't
know if he followed up. It has a slight curve and is flexible so I think it
will fit fine.
Tim
I would suggest you do as I did and test the factory supplied rubber tube.
Plug both ends with auto gas inside. It shortly smelled so bad that I had
to get it out of the garage.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Tom,
>
> That tubing seems perfect, but can you let the rest of us know
> where you bought it and for how much ? Is it angled like the
> rubber tube ?
>
> Karl
>
>
> >From: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel filler
> >Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:54:45 -0800
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom" <beecho@fix.net>
> >
> >Hi Kevin
> >
> >Polyurethane tubing is fuel proof and flexible. You can also see the
fuel
> >level when it fills! I got mine by finding a manufacturer on the net and
> >asking for a sample. I have not installed it yet but have tested it with
> >pressure and fuel inside for a month. No smell and no discoloring.
> >
> >Tom (Still looking for a mono trailer in the Western US.)
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> >To: "Europa-List" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Europa-List: Fuel filler
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
<kevann@gte.net>
> > >
> > > Hello all, I've seen lots of fuel filler hose smell problems talked
> >about.
> >A
> > > popular mod seems to be exchanging the supplied rubber hose for a
welded
> > > aluminum section. Is anyone offering the alum. welded section for sale
> >to
> > > other builders? Also, the rubber hose needed to connect the alum.
mod.,
> >are
> > > you using the supplied hose cutting two short pieces or is there a
> >better
> > > hose type available?
> > > Thanks, Kevin A211
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layups Peel Off! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
... you must have the right conditions to get a perfect layup. What Bob said
is absolutley right .
Karim.
# 420
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| Subject: | pa-List:Layups Peel Off! |
03/04/2003 08:15:04 AM,
Serialize complete at 03/04/2003 08:15:04 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@ca.cgugroup.com
I had problems earlier in the build with layups on to the spar, which I
have to think were caused by residue on the spars.
Various washes were tried, finally I got the best results with "comet" or
"Ajax" type kitchen cleaners, they have abrasion
as well as cleaning qualities.
If you want to know if a lay up is going to stick, use the water test -
spray water on to the surface to be bonded, if the water beads you are not
going to get a good bond, it has to lay flat on the surface.
I've actually had better luck with less coarse abrasive paper 100 grit
seems to cover more area and remove more surface contaminants, coarser
grits seem to work them into the surface
One other thing, make sure the abrasive is not a no load or stearate
impregnated paper that may lay a coating on the area being sanded
Dave A061
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| Subject: | Mounting fuel pumps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Yes, I ordered a couple MS21919-WDG24 cushioned P-clamps. And I plan to use
10-32 EZ point studs reduxed to the floor to bolt the clamps to. Is there
some concern for vibration isolation? A layer of some type of rubber between
the pump and floor?
Thanks to all, Kevin Klinefelter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Draper
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mounting fuel pumps
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Try large P clips for mounting the pumps.
>>> "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net> 03/01/03 07:30pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi all, does anyone have good way of mounting the 914 fuel pumps to the
floor behind the baggage bay?
Also, I have the Andair mini gascolator and fitted a 1/2" hose barb to the
outlet. The next connector will be a tee of 1/2" barbs to split off to the 2
fuel pumps. This eliminates the need for the 2 J1006 reducers. I found a
nylon tee fitting that will work, but I'd rather get a metal one like the
WTP002 provided in the kit. Anyone know where to get a 1/2" hose barb Tee
fitting that is not plastic? I'm trying to reduce the number of connections
as much as possible.
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting fuel pumps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Dear Kevin,
Like all things mechanical/electrical they prefer the minimum vibration environment,
however we don't go to special lengths to isolate the pumps and they don't
appear to have suffered.
Regards
Andy
>>> "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net> 03/04/03 02:51pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Yes, I ordered a couple MS21919-WDG24 cushioned P-clamps. And I plan to use
10-32 EZ point studs reduxed to the floor to bolt the clamps to. Is there
some concern for vibration isolation? A layer of some type of rubber between
the pump and floor?
Thanks to all, Kevin Klinefelter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Draper
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mounting fuel pumps
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
Try large P clips for mounting the pumps.
>>> "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net> 03/01/03 07:30pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi all, does anyone have good way of mounting the 914 fuel pumps to the
floor behind the baggage bay?
Also, I have the Andair mini gascolator and fitted a 1/2" hose barb to the
outlet. The next connector will be a tee of 1/2" barbs to split off to the 2
fuel pumps. This eliminates the need for the 2 J1006 reducers. I found a
nylon tee fitting that will work, but I'd rather get a metal one like the
WTP002 provided in the kit. Anyone know where to get a 1/2" hose barb Tee
fitting that is not plastic? I'm trying to reduce the number of connections
as much as possible.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi all;
I've been in touch with a glider trailer mfg that may be interested in building
fiberglass enclosed trailers if there is enough interest. They would be lightweight,
low profile with fiberglass top that closes snugly onto the plane. The
wings would slide in on dollies. The first ones would be only for the monowheel.
In the high priced real estate market of Southern California the estimated
price of $7,000 seems cheap... maybe not so in other parts. Plus it frees
up my garage!
Please email me off line if you'd be willing to put $1,000 down to secure a position
so I can tell the mfg how many initial orders we'd get.
As always, other solutions welcome.... at this point I have the feeling I'm gonna
have to build a custom enclosed trailer.
Paul Boulet, N914PB
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