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1. 12:26 AM - Scrapheap challenge (David.Corbett)
2. 01:47 AM - Weather station (Kevin Taylor)
3. 01:48 AM - Re: Scrapheap challenge (Kevin Taylor)
4. 04:15 AM - Re: weatherstation (Kevin Taylor)
5. 07:58 AM - Re: Scrapheap challenge (KarkelB@aol.com)
6. 09:44 AM - aileron mass balancing (ivor.phillips)
7. 10:21 AM - Re: aileron mass balancing (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
8. 10:28 AM - brake pipe routing (Richard)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: aileron mass balancing (Kevin Klinefelter)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: aileron mass balancing (Richard)
11. 12:58 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (R.C.Harrison)
12. 01:14 PM - [ Bob Harrison ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
13. 01:39 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg)
14. 02:08 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (Cy Galley)
15. 02:30 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (Richard Holder)
16. 11:31 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (Richard)
17. 11:38 PM - FW: brake pipe routing (R.C.Harrison)
18. 11:45 PM - Re: Door Gas Strut Mod. (Chris Cameron)
19. 11:45 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (R.C.Harrison)
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| Subject: | Scrapheap challenge |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David.Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
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I received the video but without any forwarding instructions, and I cannot pick
up from my remaining messages in the Avnet forum box who owns this tape.
Any guidance, please?
David
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"Microlights@yahoogroups.com" <microlights@yahoogroups.com>,
"Microlight Lite" <Microlight-Lite@yahoogroups.com>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Folks,
I know ive mentioned the weather station before but we have now added a web
cam to it as well. So as well as getting the factual detailed data you can
also look and see how bright it is and get an idea of the general vis and
cloud base.
www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
Kev T
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| Subject: | Scrapheap challenge |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
David,
I originally sent it out and you are about the 4th person to have it I
think. I lost track a bit. I'm not sure if Karim has seen it yet. Shout up
Karim let us know.
If he has unless anyone else wants it your free to keep it if you wish and
save postage.
Best wishes on a rainy day when I was hoping to go flying.
Kev T
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Subject: Europa-List: Scrapheap challenge
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David.Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
(UK members only)
I received the video but without any forwarding instructions, and I cannot
pick up from my remaining messages in the Avnet forum box who owns this
tape.
Any guidance, please?
David
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"Jos Okhuijsen" <josok@ukolo.fi>
| Subject: | RE: weatherstation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Jos
Details of weather station.
www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm to view the live data
and webcam for the field. We are going to add a webcam on the airstrip too.
see the unit a oregon weather station at http://www.ambientweather.com The
weather station is on sale here in the UK for 499 from Transair, but I
also saw they had a cheaper one that appears to do the same
www.transair.co.uk
You can use loads of different software from various suppliers but we went
for
http://www.weather-display.com
Hope that helps
If you need anything further let me know.
Kevin
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From: Jos Okhuijsen [mailto:josok@ukolo.fi]
Subject: weatherstation
Hi Kevin,
Responding to a message in the europa forum.
Looks great this weather station. I am very interested in setting up a
similar thing here, that is Ukonjrvi, Ivalo, Finland. I am thinking of
setting up a strip on the ice on the lake, could be open about 4-5
months a year. Could you tell me a bit more about the soft- and
hardware you are using here? Costs, supplier ect?
Greetings,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Scrapheap challenge |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Hi Kev,
yes i have already seen it, thanks. I posted it to Dave few weeks
back.
regards Karim.
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| Subject: | aileron mass balancing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
hi guys
I have found that the cut-out for the mass balance boxes XW52 will not line up
with the lead weights on the ailerons if I stick to europa`s measurements,
if I move the balance weight a additional 20 mm from the outboard hinge it would
fit, so the question is do I move the balance weight to the right 20mm or the
balance box the same distance to the left,
Is it critical to have the aileron weights exactly 20 mm from the hinges?
regards Ivor Phillips XS 486
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| Subject: | aileron mass balancing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> so the question is do I move the balance weight to the right 20mm or
the balance box the same distance to the left,
Move the counterbalance weight 20mm as counterbalance location is not
going to be that critical. If you haven't glued the balance boxes in
place yet you can always split the distance.
Mine are 50mm off location inboard as some dumb builder I know marked
his ruler at the wrong location and then transferred the marks to both
ailerons.
Tony
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I have finally given up waiting for the finger brakes and am currently
installing the toe brakes on my tri gear, with a view to converting to the
finger brakes once they are sorted from the factory. Can anyone help with
the routing of the piping? It looks from the manual as if I should take it
down the starboard side and across the front of the seats. But is that along
the floor, just above the top of the tufnol bearing or just under the top of
the thigh support? Or somewhere else completely?
Cheers.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | aileron mass balancing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Moving the balance box would be difficult because it needs to sit in that
area of no foam in the skin sandwich construction. BTW, when comes time to
bond the top skin on, Cut the tops off of the balance boxes. Then after cure
do a layup inside of the boxes to connect them with the top skin. This makes
sure you get the max clearance possible for the lead weights in aileron down
travel. Neville told me that one.
Kevin Klinefelter, A-211
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ivor.phillips
Subject: Europa-List: aileron mass balancing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
<ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
hi guys
I have found that the cut-out for the mass balance boxes XW52 will not line
up with the lead weights on the ailerons if I stick to europa`s
measurements,
if I move the balance weight a additional 20 mm from the outboard hinge it
would fit, so the question is do I move the balance weight to the right 20mm
or the balance box the same distance to the left,
Is it critical to have the aileron weights exactly 20 mm from the hinges?
regards Ivor Phillips XS 486
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| Subject: | aileron mass balancing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I would add an extra tip.
Carve about half an inch off the forward/top radius of the lead before you
bond it to the aileron. There is way too much weight in the lead, (I ended
up drilling three x 1/2 inch holes through to balance mine. If you take
this top/ forward edge off first, it reduces the amount you need to drill
out later and also reduces the chance of it hitting the top of the box or
wing at full deflection. Once again a tip that Neville gave to me.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Subject: RE: Europa-List: aileron mass balancing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Moving the balance box would be difficult because it needs to sit in that
area of no foam in the skin sandwich construction. BTW, when comes time to
bond the top skin on, Cut the tops off of the balance boxes. Then after cure
do a layup inside of the boxes to connect them with the top skin. This makes
sure you get the max clearance possible for the lead weights in aileron down
travel. Neville told me that one.
Kevin Klinefelter, A-211
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
I wouldn't be without my toe brakes.
The pipes route up and to the port side where there is a hand brake valve
near the naca cold air vent. Then they travel under the port side door sill
to the front of the baggage bay . The Port brake goes out down the main gear
leg whilst the Starboard one travels across the rear tank bulkhead down the
starboard side main gear leg. I have installed unions and adapters where
they pass through the fusilage floor. Then if a pipe fails all you have to
change is the length of the leg.
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I have finally given up waiting for the finger brakes and am currently
installing the toe brakes on my tri gear, with a view to converting to the
finger brakes once they are sorted from the factory. Can anyone help with
the routing of the piping? It looks from the manual as if I should take it
down the starboard side and across the front of the seats. But is that along
the floor, just above the top of the tufnol bearing or just under the top of
the thigh support? Or somewhere else completely?
Cheers.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
I am thinking of routing my brake lines up and to the right, then aft
going through the center console just below and forward of the
instrument panel, then aft to the gears.
That way they are more out of harm's way, I think....anybody been there,
thought about that?
Alex, kit 529
Richard wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
>I have finally given up waiting for the finger brakes and am currently
>installing the toe brakes on my tri gear, with a view to converting to the
>finger brakes once they are sorted from the factory. Can anyone help with
>the routing of the piping? It looks from the manual as if I should take it
>down the starboard side and across the front of the seats. But is that along
>the floor, just above the top of the tufnol bearing or just under the top of
>the thigh support? Or somewhere else completely?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The less up and down the easier to bleed your brakes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander P. de C. Kaarsberg"
<kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
> I am thinking of routing my brake lines up and to the right, then aft
> going through the center console just below and forward of the
> instrument panel, then aft to the gears.
> That way they are more out of harm's way, I think....anybody been there,
> thought about that?
>
> Alex, kit 529
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
> >
> >I have finally given up waiting for the finger brakes and am currently
> >installing the toe brakes on my tri gear, with a view to converting to
the
> >finger brakes once they are sorted from the factory. Can anyone help
with
> >the routing of the piping? It looks from the manual as if I should take
it
> >down the starboard side and across the front of the seats. But is that
along
> >the floor, just above the top of the tufnol bearing or just under the top
of
> >the thigh support? Or somewhere else completely?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
My application for finger brakes is currently with the PFA.
At least one other non-Europa demo has them approved.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, being flight tested
> From: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
> Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:30:00 -0000
> To: "Europa Matronics Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> I have finally given up waiting for the finger brakes and am currently
> installing the toe brakes on my tri gear, with a view to converting to the
> finger brakes once they are sorted from the factory. Can anyone help with
> the routing of the piping? It looks from the manual as if I should take it
> down the starboard side and across the front of the seats. But is that along
> the floor, just above the top of the tufnol bearing or just under the top of
> the thigh support? Or somewhere else completely?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Bob,
Can you tell me what you used for a hand brake valve & where did you obtain
it?
Thanks.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
I wouldn't be without my toe brakes.
The pipes route up and to the port side where there is a hand brake valve
near the naca cold air vent. Then they travel under the port side door sill
to the front of the baggage bay . The Port brake goes out down the main gear
leg whilst the Starboard one travels across the rear tank bulkhead down the
starboard side main gear leg. I have installed unions and adapters where
they pass through the fusilage floor. Then if a pipe fails all you have to
change is the length of the leg.
Bob H G-PTAG
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys.
I posted this message on trike pipe routing direct to Richard Iddon but I
guess it may help to put it on the forum......especially since I ommitted to
advise him of the "brake bleeding" method.(Heads up Richard!)
I put my bleed nipples on the bottom of each slave brake cylinders then
fitted a Europa supplied screw funnel to each master cylinder in turn and
used a "squeezy bottle" attached to the "bleed" nipple and bled the system
from the BOTTOM UP and BACK to the master cylinder. When air bubbles stop
emmitting from the funnel use a syringe (without a needle) which when placed
into the bottom of the funnel will extract just the right ammount of oil for
the stop to be replaced.
I should warn those of thinking about central tunnel routes to think about
where your hand brake valve will be sited and watch out for tight radius
bends. The Manual has it right for the master cylinder exit directions.
Hi! Richard.
I wouldn't be without my toe brakes.
The pipes route up and to the port side where there is a hand brake valve
near the naca cold air vent. Then they travel under the port side door sill
to the front of the baggage bay . The Port brake goes out down the main gear
leg whilst the Starboard one travels across the rear tank bulkhead down the
starboard side main gear leg. I have installed unions and adapters where
they pass through the fusilage floor. Then if a pipe fails all you have to
change is the length of the leg.
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gas Strut Mod. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Cameron <c.cameron@xtra.co.nz>
All,
Attachments are not passed through to the list (assuming that is what you
are trying to do). There are instructions at matronics on how to post
pictures etc.
Chris Cameron
At 06:24 p.m. 8/03/2003, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Dale Hetrick <gdale2@juno.com>
>
>Jim,
>Messages are arriving without any attachments! Don't forget to hit the
>"Attach File" button!
>Thanks,
>Dale
>
>
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
It came from the US of A, but sorry I can't remember the vendor(I think
Matco?) or the part number but Neville Eyre at the Europa Factory will
advise you, may even sell you one since the trike is now regular supply!
Mine works very well and holds pressure certainly overnight and probably
much longer but haven't tried it longer because always tied down! See
further message just posted about bleeding.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
Can you tell me what you used for a hand brake valve & where did you obtain
it?
Thanks.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
I wouldn't be without my toe brakes.
The pipes route up and to the port side where there is a hand brake valve
near the naca cold air vent. Then they travel under the port side door sill
to the front of the baggage bay . The Port brake goes out down the main gear
leg whilst the Starboard one travels across the rear tank bulkhead down the
starboard side main gear leg. I have installed unions and adapters where
they pass through the fusilage floor. Then if a pipe fails all you have to
change is the length of the leg.
Bob H G-PTAG
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