Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:57 AM - List Support Site (John Cliff)
2. 08:35 AM - door distortion (Runnymede73@aol.com)
3. 08:37 AM - doors (Runnymede73@aol.com)
4. 11:04 AM - Re: door hinge fitting (paul stewart)
5. 11:25 AM - Door struts (paul stewart)
6. 11:56 AM - Re: brake pipe routing - parking brake? (Ian Mansfeld)
7. 12:13 PM - Door Struts (Robert Berube)
8. 04:17 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (James Nelson)
9. 04:17 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Cleaning before Soldering Iron Entry (James Nelson)
10. 04:44 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (Ed)
11. 05:05 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (Troy Maynor)
12. 06:21 PM - Reluctant Sale (Chris Cameron)
13. 11:38 PM - Re: Brakes (Phil Tait)
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| Subject: | List Support Site |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
A few days ago there was discussion about the door-distortion effect of the as
struts and an offer from Ted Gladstone to share pictures of his modificarion to
overcome this.
These are now available at
http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Mods/strut.htm
Also a couple of corrections to the stuff from Bob Harrison about wing dollies
posted a couple of days ago.
New readers start at http://www.crix.org.uk
John Cliff
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
exactly the same distortion occured on my factory built grob 109b
it has taken 16 years to bend out about 1/2 an inch
no apparent water leaks but some wind noise noticed
looks bad but nothing can be done except change the doors and plexiglass
still 16 years 'aint bad'
the porche type 4 engine giving 95 hp is also worth considering in the europa
understand that limbach are marketing a fuel injected version giving
about 130hp at 3000 revs. my bog standard engine has done about 1770 hours
and some have gone on to over 4000 not bad eh.
bill d
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
exactly the same distortion occured on my factory built grob 109b
it has taken 16 years to bend out about 1/2 an inch
no apparent water leaks but some wind noise noticed
looks bad but nothing can be done except change the doors and plexiglass
still 16 years 'aint bad'
the porche type 4 engine giving 95 hp is also worth considering in the europa
understand that limbach are marketing a fuel injected version giving
about 130hp at 3000 revs. my bog standard engine has done about 1770 hours
and some have gone on to over 4000 not bad eh.
bill d
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| Subject: | Re: door hinge fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Bob
You were correctits a very close tolerance but I think the countersinks are
just short of deep enough.
Regards
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: door hinge fitting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Paul.
> No problem with mine as the book says. Have you got the hinges closing the
> right way and well coutersunk for the countersunk screws?
> regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: door hinge fitting
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
> <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite see
why
> the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws and the
> side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. It
seems
> the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 is too
> proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm thinking of
> doing) replacing them with countersunk versions.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Have just looked at both Ted Gladstones mod on the support site and Paul McAllisters
interpretation of Jim Nelsons idea. Has anyone in the UK tried Paul / Jims
mod with the PFA yet?
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Re: brake pipe routing - parking brake? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
Just caght up with the thread. I have used a wedge of hard rubber as an aid
in holding the parking brake on. Made it out of an old Land Rover mudflap!
worked for me.
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: <MJKTuck@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: brake pipe routing - parking brake?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
>
> << I believe Martin Tuck may even have used a simple removable wedge in
the
> gate for the parking brake>>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Not me ... I have not really found the need for a parking brake. I hold
onto
> the brake (right hand) while I do my run up (using my left hand for
throttle)
> and I carry a couple of chocks around when I travel anywhere for
stabilized
> parking.
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
> N152MT
> Wichita, Kansas
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
With regard to the modification of the door struts. Here at Flight Crafters we
modify all the doors as the system works much better in keeping the rear of the
door from rising above the fuselage. Several modifications have been made
to existing doors that were already proud of the surface and they have returned
to a flush condition. I have to thank Erich Trombley for the idea.
Bob Berube A166 Conventional
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| Subject: | Re: door hinge fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Paul,
Trust the design, It works well. I have no interference. The
reason for flat and round is you cannot use round head screws in both
places.
Jim
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:19 -0000 "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
> <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite
> see why
> the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws
> and the
> side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws.
> It seems
> the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525
> is too
> proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm
> thinking of
> doing) replacing them with countersunk versions.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
>
>
>
> ===============
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Cleaning before Soldering Iron Entry |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Tony,
YES YES YES!!!!!! There will be fuel vapor coming out of the
plastic. Jimmy Thursby tried it and got "burned" for the effort. If you
fill the tank completely with water you will stop most of the vapor
problem. Try drilling and filing the hole to get it.
Jim Nelson
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:52:45 +1100 Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering after reading Paul McAllisters website about the
> recommendations for preping the fuel tank before I attack it with
> my
> soldering iron to install the Europa fuel probe (magnetic). The
> question is
> that I was only going to drain it of fuel and wash it out with
> water, but I
> now fear that I need to do more than that. Does the plastic absorb
> some of
> the fuel that would make things dangerous for me if I keep to my
> original
> plan?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
>
>
> ==========================
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door hinge fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ed <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Actually we had the same issue and simply removed some of the grey gell coat
covering the tangs on their undersides. Twas fine after that.
We didn't remove any of the glass though!!
Cheers
Eddie
SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup
Europa - Jabiru 3300
on 11/3/03 9:31 am, paul stewart at paul-d.stewart@virgin.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite see why
> the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws and the
> side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. It seems
> the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 is too
> proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm thinking of
> doing) replacing them with countersunk versions.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door hinge fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
I took care to slightly offset the flat heads' and round heads' location
from each other after one of them hit.
Troy
-----Original Message-----
From: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting
>--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
>Paul,
> Trust the design, It works well. I have no interference. The
>reason for flat and round is you cannot use round head screws in both
>places.
>
>Jim
>
>
>On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:19 -0000 "paul stewart"
><paul-d.stewart@virgin.net> writes:
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
>> <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>>
>> Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite
>> see why
>> the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws
>> and the
>> side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws.
>> It seems
>> the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525
>> is too
>> proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm
>> thinking of
>> doing) replacing them with countersunk versions.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paul Stewart #432
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ===============
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Cameron <c.cameron@xtra.co.nz>
My wife and I have reluctantly concluded that raising a young family and building
a Europa are mutually exclusive at this point in time.
Therefore I am offering my stage one kit for sale. The price is very reasonable,
especially for anyone in New Zealand who may be thinking of purchasing a Europa.
If anyone on this list knows anyone who may be interested, please let me know off
list.
Chris Cameron
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Tait" <phil@archwise.co.uk>
Hi
Any chance of a copy of the report and drawing
REGARDS
Phil
Builder 551
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brakes
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> Yes John Scott at Cambridge engineered mine and John Brownlow was very
happy
> with the result as was my inspector Barry Castle, We actually used a pair
of
> slightly smaller bore master cylinders to give better mechanical
advantage.
> I my opinion twin hand levers are much better in use than toe brakes as
you
> have control independant of rudder inputs. It soon becomes completely
> intunative. The PFA passed mine after a report by John Brownlow and a
simple
> drawing.
>
>
> Rick Morris G-RICKS Bennington Nr Hertford.
>
>
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