---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/12/03: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:57 AM - List Support Site (John Cliff) 2. 08:35 AM - door distortion (Runnymede73@aol.com) 3. 08:37 AM - doors (Runnymede73@aol.com) 4. 11:04 AM - Re: door hinge fitting (paul stewart) 5. 11:25 AM - Door struts (paul stewart) 6. 11:56 AM - Re: brake pipe routing - parking brake? (Ian Mansfeld) 7. 12:13 PM - Door Struts (Robert Berube) 8. 04:17 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (James Nelson) 9. 04:17 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Cleaning before Soldering Iron Entry (James Nelson) 10. 04:44 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (Ed) 11. 05:05 PM - Re: door hinge fitting (Troy Maynor) 12. 06:21 PM - Reluctant Sale (Chris Cameron) 13. 11:38 PM - Re: Brakes (Phil Tait) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:54 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Europa-List: List Support Site --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" A few days ago there was discussion about the door-distortion effect of the as struts and an offer from Ted Gladstone to share pictures of his modificarion to overcome this. These are now available at http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Mods/strut.htm Also a couple of corrections to the stuff from Bob Harrison about wing dollies posted a couple of days ago. New readers start at http://www.crix.org.uk John Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:47 AM PST US From: Runnymede73@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: door distortion --> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com exactly the same distortion occured on my factory built grob 109b it has taken 16 years to bend out about 1/2 an inch no apparent water leaks but some wind noise noticed looks bad but nothing can be done except change the doors and plexiglass still 16 years 'aint bad' the porche type 4 engine giving 95 hp is also worth considering in the europa understand that limbach are marketing a fuel injected version giving about 130hp at 3000 revs. my bog standard engine has done about 1770 hours and some have gone on to over 4000 not bad eh. bill d ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:09 AM PST US From: Runnymede73@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: doors --> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com exactly the same distortion occured on my factory built grob 109b it has taken 16 years to bend out about 1/2 an inch no apparent water leaks but some wind noise noticed looks bad but nothing can be done except change the doors and plexiglass still 16 years 'aint bad' the porche type 4 engine giving 95 hp is also worth considering in the europa understand that limbach are marketing a fuel injected version giving about 130hp at 3000 revs. my bog standard engine has done about 1770 hours and some have gone on to over 4000 not bad eh. bill d ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:01 AM PST US From: "paul stewart" Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" Bob You were correctits a very close tolerance but I think the countersinks are just short of deep enough. Regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: door hinge fitting > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > Hi! Paul. > No problem with mine as the book says. Have you got the hinges closing the > right way and well coutersunk for the countersunk screws? > regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: door hinge fitting > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" > > > Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite see why > the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws and the > side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. It seems > the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 is too > proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm thinking of > doing) replacing them with countersunk versions. > > Regards > > Paul Stewart #432 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:13 AM PST US From: "paul stewart" Subject: Europa-List: Door struts --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" Have just looked at both Ted Gladstones mod on the support site and Paul McAllisters interpretation of Jim Nelsons idea. Has anyone in the UK tried Paul / Jims mod with the PFA yet? Regards Paul Stewart #432 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:50 AM PST US From: "Ian Mansfeld" Subject: Re: Europa-List: brake pipe routing - parking brake? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" Just caght up with the thread. I have used a wedge of hard rubber as an aid in holding the parking brake on. Made it out of an old Land Rover mudflap! worked for me. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: brake pipe routing - parking brake? > --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com > > << I believe Martin Tuck may even have used a simple removable wedge in the > gate for the parking brake>> > > Hi Folks, > > Not me ... I have not really found the need for a parking brake. I hold onto > the brake (right hand) while I do my run up (using my left hand for throttle) > and I carry a couple of chocks around when I travel anywhere for stabilized > parking. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:51 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Europa-List: Door Struts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" With regard to the modification of the door struts. Here at Flight Crafters we modify all the doors as the system works much better in keeping the rear of the door from rising above the fuselage. Several modifications have been made to existing doors that were already proud of the surface and they have returned to a flush condition. I have to thank Erich Trombley for the idea. Bob Berube A166 Conventional ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting From: James Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Paul, Trust the design, It works well. I have no interference. The reason for flat and round is you cannot use round head screws in both places. Jim On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:19 -0000 "paul stewart" writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" > > > Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite > see why > the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws > and the > side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. > It seems > the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 > is too > proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm > thinking of > doing) replacing them with countersunk versions. > > Regards > > Paul Stewart #432 > > > > > =============== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Cleaning before Soldering Iron Entry From: James Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Tony, YES YES YES!!!!!! There will be fuel vapor coming out of the plastic. Jimmy Thursby tried it and got "burned" for the effort. If you fill the tank completely with water you will stop most of the vapor problem. Try drilling and filing the hole to get it. Jim Nelson On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:52:45 +1100 Tony Renshaw writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > > Gidday, > I am wondering after reading Paul McAllisters website about the > recommendations for preping the fuel tank before I attack it with > my > soldering iron to install the Europa fuel probe (magnetic). The > question is > that I was only going to drain it of fuel and wash it out with > water, but I > now fear that I need to do more than that. Does the plastic absorb > some of > the fuel that would make things dangerous for me if I keep to my > original > plan? > Reg > Tony Renshaw > > > > > ========================== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting From: Ed --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed Actually we had the same issue and simply removed some of the grey gell coat covering the tangs on their undersides. Twas fine after that. We didn't remove any of the glass though!! Cheers Eddie SouthEastLondonFlyingGroup Europa - Jabiru 3300 on 11/3/03 9:31 am, paul stewart at paul-d.stewart@virgin.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" > > Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite see why > the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws and the > side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. It seems > the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 is too > proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm thinking of > doing) replacing them with countersunk versions. > > Regards > > Paul Stewart #432 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:10 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" I took care to slightly offset the flat heads' and round heads' location from each other after one of them hit. Troy -----Original Message----- From: James Nelson Subject: Re: Europa-List: door hinge fitting >--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson > >Paul, > Trust the design, It works well. I have no interference. The >reason for flat and round is you cannot use round head screws in both >places. > >Jim > > >On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:19 -0000 "paul stewart" > writes: >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" >> >> >> Just been fittin the doors and their hinges this evening. Cant quite >> see why >> the side attached to the door is attached with countersunk screws >> and the >> side attached to the fuselage with AN 525-10R10 dome headed screws. >> It seems >> the door becomes hinge bound as it closes as the head of the AN525 >> is too >> proud of the hinge. Anyone had similar experience or (as I'm >> thinking of >> doing) replacing them with countersunk versions. >> >> Regards >> >> Paul Stewart #432 >> >> >> >> >> =============== >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:54 PM PST US From: Chris Cameron Subject: Europa-List: Reluctant Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Cameron My wife and I have reluctantly concluded that raising a young family and building a Europa are mutually exclusive at this point in time. Therefore I am offering my stage one kit for sale. The price is very reasonable, especially for anyone in New Zealand who may be thinking of purchasing a Europa. If anyone on this list knows anyone who may be interested, please let me know off list. Chris Cameron ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:21 PM PST US From: "Phil Tait" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brakes --> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Tait" Hi Any chance of a copy of the report and drawing REGARDS Phil Builder 551 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brakes > --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com > > Yes John Scott at Cambridge engineered mine and John Brownlow was very happy > with the result as was my inspector Barry Castle, We actually used a pair of > slightly smaller bore master cylinders to give better mechanical advantage. > I my opinion twin hand levers are much better in use than toe brakes as you > have control independant of rudder inputs. It soon becomes completely > intunative. The PFA passed mine after a report by John Brownlow and a simple > drawing. > > > Rick Morris G-RICKS Bennington Nr Hertford. > >