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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Looking for Europa forum (Jeremy Davey)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Looking for Europa forum (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
3. 09:38 AM - Fuel flow monitoring (Richard)
4. 11:10 AM - Re: Cooling Air Baffle (Ami McFadyean)
5. 01:31 PM - Europa Builder Dinner at Sun 'n Fun (Europa)
6. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Harnesses again (Ami McFadyean)
7. 03:22 PM - 914 hot starting (DJA727@aol.com)
8. 03:53 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
9. 04:21 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (KarkelB@aol.com)
10. 05:10 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (DJA727@aol.com)
11. 05:52 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 06:02 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
13. 06:07 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Looking for Europa forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Allan,
You might also want to check the Europa Club web site (and consider joining
the Club?) at www.europaclub.org.uk. It is full of useful resources for
builders (and the Club also publishes an excellent hints and tips book that
fixes a lot of problems you didn't even realise you had!).
To give you an idea of reasonable progress speed, I've been building for a
year and have a hectic job, so I only get a few hours in the evenings each
week, the odd weekend, and an occasional holiday/vacation day - and I've
done the control surfaces and wings and am starting the fuselage.
It's a superb kit, and an even better aircraft. Just go for it!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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DuaneFamly@aol.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Allan,
You are looking at the right aircraft for a first time builder. The support
you can access via phone, fax, or forum will get you through any encountered
problems.
There is a big thread listing at:
<A
HREF="http://www.geocities.com/asarangan/europa_forum.html">http://www.geoci
ties.com/asarangan/europa_forum.html
With the search function you can get info on any keyword in any thread.
But until you have a specific problem, all you can do is scan for anything
interesting.
You could also go to fellow builder's websites. They have documented many of
the situations they have encountered during their builds. Many have pix to
help you understand the different aspects of their builds. Just ask the
forum
and many will give you direct address to their websites.
Good luck.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Europa forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Allan,
check the Europa club site:
www.europaclub.org.uk
quite a bit of info and links there.
Dave
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| Subject: | Fuel flow monitoring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Has anyone devised a way of monitoring the fuel flow to check that it is
sufficient as per the manual WITHOUT the Europa test kit? I have my final
inspection booked for Friday and asked the factory for the loan of the kit.
Unfortunately, they now tell me that it is in Holland at present and they
can't get it back to me in time. I have arranged the necessary plumbing but
I need to find some way to check the pressure..
Bright idea's welcome.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Air Baffle |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
In the UK. not necessarily anywhere else.
Duncan.
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling Air Baffle
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| Subject: | Europa Builder Dinner at Sun 'n Fun |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa <europa@gate.net>
Hi All!
Just a reminder that the last day to request tickets for the builder dinner was
the 15'th of March. We don't want a repeat of last year when some people had
no seats. Please help us out & let us know if you want to come as soon as possible
so we can have seats for everyone.
You can contact John, or Patty at 863-647-5355, or send an e-mail to europa@gate.net.
We need to know within the next few days. We will have a few extra seats
for late comers, but will be forced to turn people away after a point. So
if you want to be sure that you have a seat, please let us know.
We will have BBQ again, and per popular request I have canned the band. Many vendors
have already told me that they are coming & bringing door prizes.
Look forward to seeing you there!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
europa@gate.net
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| Subject: | Re: Harnesses again |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Yes. I'd looked at (and have made some prototypes) covers in the seat pan
that span the aileron torque tube tunnel and sit on small ledges glassed
around the sides of the seat pan.
By calculation, 5mm of PVC foam laid up with 1 ply of carbon on the top face
and 1 ply of carbon/kevlar hybrid on the bottom face gives way at about 4g
(with JAR-weight pilot). An intermediate suppport will increase this to
about 16g, but by then the torque tube tunnel will likely have failed (which
is a good thing as it and the enclosed alloy tube will absorb energy and
remove the hardspot beneath the spine).
The balance of the composite construction is good in that the PVC foam
should fail in shear just before the carbon lets go; so there's no point in
adding further plies in an attempt to increase strength.
Of course the real challenge is to provide for energy absorbtion rather than
strength. Any ideas on that? A pile of brass tubes?
Duncan McF.
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From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Harnesses again
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> Also, he thought 3 inches of tempurfoam is not adequate for safely passing
> the 19g
> vertical acceleration test. He thought it would provide insufficient
> damping and
> secondary impacts. I had the idea that low compression strength
honeycomb
> material, if laminated up to a couple of inches in the seat pan might be
> useful.
>
> Anyone want to collaborate on such a design?
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hi,
Does anyone out there have any tips on starting the 914 engine when it is
warm? I find that starting after a short period is OK, but if it sits for 20
minutes or so, it is hard to start. Starting up cold is easy.
Any suggestions for a good technique?
thanks,
Dave A227
Mini U2
26.2 hours Total Time
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I find that starting after a short period is OK, but if it sits for
20
minutes or so, it is hard to start. Starting up cold is easy.
We found this on ZK-NWM until we started opening the water and oil vents
on landing to allow heat to dissipate.
The owner now does this after every landing and he's been able to do a
restart each time.
I'm thinking of adding an extraction fan onto mine which will run for 10
minutes after landing.
Tony
Hi,
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
...i saw the same thing happen to the factory demonstrator, but you simply
open the the oil and water inspec. vents and it should start ok once the heat
disspates. I'm thinking of having a themostart on mine that will open the
vents automatically when the under cowling temps get above a certain temp.
karim
# 420
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/19/2003 3:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tonyk@kaon.co.nz writes:
> We found this on ZK-NWM until we started opening the water and oil vents
> on landing to allow heat to dissipate.
> The owner now does this after every landing and he's been able to do a
> restart each time.
>
> I'm thinking of adding an extraction fan onto mine which will run for 10
> minutes after landing.
>
I have been doing that and I guess I need to wait a bit longer. Sounds like
the fan is a good idea too.
Dave
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I agree that cooling the cowl after shutdown would be good idea, but I'm
just curious if anyone has any idea why it is hard starting when hot? If
it's vapour lock, I would think that running the fuel pump to circulate
the fuel would take care of it. Or is it actually a temp problem within
the carb? Or would it be the ignition modules getting too hot?
Just thought I'd ask....
Thanks,
Pete
A239
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From: KarkelB@aol.com [mailto:KarkelB@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 hot starting
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
...i saw the same thing happen to the factory demonstrator, but you
simply
open the the oil and water inspec. vents and it should start ok once the
heat
disspates. I'm thinking of having a themostart on mine that will open
the
vents automatically when the under cowling temps get above a certain
temp.
karim
# 420
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> If it's vapour lock, I would think that running the fuel pump to
circulate the fuel would take care of it. Or is it actually a temp
problem within the carb? Or would it be the ignition modules getting too
hot?
We pointed suspicion at the ignition modules but didn't have enough time
with the aircraft to prove it.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:54:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
peterz@zutrasoft.com writes:
>
> I agree that cooling the cowl after shutdown would be good idea, but I'm
> just curious if anyone has any idea why it is hard starting when hot? If
> it's vapour lock, I would think that running the fuel pump to circulate
> the fuel would take care of it. Or is it actually a temp problem within
> the carb? Or would it be the ignition modules getting too hot?
>
That is a good point. It must be carb temps, because the fuel flow back to
the tank is rather high. There would be no flow from the fuel manifold at the
top of the engine to the carbs, so those lines would get warm. Maybe
insulating the fuel lines that go into the carbs would help? It starts OK if
you restart right after shutdown. Since it takes a while to heat up, I
suspect it might be the carbs themselves getting hot.
Dave
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