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1. 05:47 AM - 914 hot starting (KARL HEINDL)
2. 06:37 AM - Re: 914 hot starting (DJA727@aol.com)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: 914 hot starting (Andy Draper)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: 914 hot starting (DJA727@aol.com)
5. 12:32 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (Michael Parkin)
6. 01:16 PM - Re: 914 hot starting (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Harnesses again (Alex Kaarsberg)
8. 05:53 PM - Promise made....... (Fergus Kyle)
9. 10:52 PM - Fw: 3D Computer Model (Gerry Holland)
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I am currently renewing my licence flying Katanas. My instructor
tells me that the only problem with the engine (these are all
regular 912 80hp) is overheating of the Ducati ignition in hot
weather. They would love to move it from the top of the engine to
the firewall, but on a certified aircraft that is a nono.
These Katanas of course are in use all day long.
http://messenger.msn.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/20/2003 5:48:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kheindl@msn.com writes:
>
> I am currently renewing my licence flying Katanas. My instructor
> tells me that the only problem with the engine (these are all
> regular 912 80hp) is overheating of the Ducati ignition in hot
> weather. They would love to move it from the top of the engine to
> the firewall, but on a certified aircraft that is a nono.
> These Katanas of course are in use all day long.
>
>
I wonder if insulating the ignition boxes would help this problem? It would
keep heat out, but would also keep heat in if it gets in there. Once the
engine starts, it runs fine so it is hard to imagine that this could be due
to the ignition being hot. It does not cool down right away. I have found
that cranking the engine for a while finally ends up in starting. It is way
more cranking than I would like, for the battery's sake. It acts like
cranking introduces enough cool new fuel to get the temps down. This is the
only problem I have found so far with the engine.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
26.2 hours Total Time
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Draper" <andy@europa-aircraft.com>
For hot starting the 914, try pulling the fuel pump CB and cranking with the pumps
not running. Once the engine fires, allow a couple of seconds before resetting
the CB.
Andy
>>> <DJA727@aol.com> 03/20/03 02:36pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/20/2003 5:48:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kheindl@msn.com writes:
>
> I am currently renewing my licence flying Katanas. My instructor
> tells me that the only problem with the engine (these are all
> regular 912 80hp) is overheating of the Ducati ignition in hot
> weather. They would love to move it from the top of the engine to
> the firewall, but on a certified aircraft that is a nono.
> These Katanas of course are in use all day long.
>
>
I wonder if insulating the ignition boxes would help this problem? It would
keep heat out, but would also keep heat in if it gets in there. Once the
engine starts, it runs fine so it is hard to imagine that this could be due
to the ignition being hot. It does not cool down right away. I have found
that cranking the engine for a while finally ends up in starting. It is way
more cranking than I would like, for the battery's sake. It acts like
cranking introduces enough cool new fuel to get the temps down. This is the
only problem I have found so far with the engine.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
26.2 hours Total Time
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/20/2003 7:54:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
andy@europa-aircraft.com writes:
> For hot starting the 914, try pulling the fuel pump CB and cranking with the
> pumps not running. Once the engine fires, allow a couple of seconds before
> resetting the CB.
>
Thanks - I'll try that!!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" <Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
I had the same problem, until I tried starting with the fuel pumps off.
Problem solved.
regards
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 914 hot starting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone out there have any tips on starting the 914 engine when it is
> warm? I find that starting after a short period is OK, but if it sits for
20
> minutes or so, it is hard to start. Starting up cold is easy.
>
>
> Any suggestions for a good technique?
>
> thanks,
>
> Dave A227
> Mini U2
> 26.2 hours Total Time
>
>
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| Subject: | 914 hot starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Wow, sounds like an easy and effective solution.... but I'm curious why?
As I'm not familiar with Bing type carbs, do the Bing carbs flood with
the pumps on and no airflow (effectively like using full choke on a hot
engine)?
Wondering,
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Parkin [mailto:Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 hot starting
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin"
<Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
I had the same problem, until I tried starting with the fuel pumps off.
Problem solved.
regards
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 914 hot starting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone out there have any tips on starting the 914 engine when it
is
> warm? I find that starting after a short period is OK, but if it sits
for
20
> minutes or so, it is hard to start. Starting up cold is easy.
>
>
> Any suggestions for a good technique?
>
> thanks,
>
> Dave A227
> Mini U2
> 26.2 hours Total Time
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Harnesses again |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
>Of course the real challenge is to provide for energy absorbtion rather than
>strength. Any ideas on that? A pile of brass tubes?
>
>Duncan McF.
>
>
The first moonlander had honeycomb in the legs to absorb the impact on
landing, light and efficient!
Alex, kit 529
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| Subject: | Promise made....... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
There was a Brit builder who was keen to acquire something with
3 holes in it and I promised to supply it. As pure as my intentions are, my
memory has failed to keep up, so I am asking who that was - as the transfer
is shortly to come to pass.
I will recognise the proper individual so don't try to queer the
deal if you are not he/him/she/her. Next Monday at the latest is the
window.......
Confidently,
Ferg
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| Subject: | Fwd: 3D Computer Model |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Hi!
Anyone created or can point me in direction of a 3D Computer Graphic
File of Europa XS, preferably Trigear but Mono very acceptable.
If copyright costs are involved I would be happy to pay within reason.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
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