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1. 02:10 AM - Re: CS props (Mark Burton)
2. 03:35 AM - Re: Weather station (Kevin Taylor)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Bob Jacobsen)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (DJA727@aol.com)
5. 09:59 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
6. 10:20 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Ronald J. Parigoris)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Weather station (Cy Galley)
9. 02:15 PM - Trim Line (Jeff Roberts)
10. 03:07 PM - 4 position rocker switches for trim (Tony Renshaw)
11. 03:21 PM - Re: Trim Line (Gerry Holland)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Gerry Holland)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: Trim Line (Steve Hagar)
14. 06:48 PM - Re: Trim Line (Jeff Roberts)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (David DeFord)
16. 07:32 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Tony Renshaw)
17. 09:55 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (David DeFord)
18. 10:06 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
19. 11:34 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (R.C.Harrison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> As well as being the best product available, the Airmaster had the
> only controller that would have fitted into my crowded instrument
> panel at that time. This may be a consideration for those who are
> considering retrofitting. I haven't seen the Arplast controller yet
> but it is probably very similar.
The Arplast controller was designed to use the same amount of panel
space as the Rotax analogue tacho. One of my goals was to be able to
replace the Rotax unit. In my panel the tacho is closely surrounded
by other instruments so it was important that the thing did not
require more space. As the controller replaces the original Arplast
control box as well, quite a good saving in volume (as well as weight)
is achieved.
To go back to one of the questions in the original posting, I think
everyone who has a CS prop (whatever the make) and a 912 will agree
that the takeoff and climb performance achieved is really very good
given the relatively small engine size. As William Mills reported, you
can operate a 912 powered mono out of a small farm strip if you have a
VP (preferably as CS) prop (and the requisite skill/experience, of
course).
Mark
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Hi,
We are 48 miles directly east of Pately Bridge. Or 10 miles north of
driffield. or from York go 27 miles bearing 070 deg
Hope that helps
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weather station
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I have looked at your site. Now where is it with regards to a town? The
reason I ask is that my daughter lives in Pateley Bridge.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
"Microlights@yahoogroups.com" <microlights@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Weather station
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> Folks,
>
> Just a further development to our weather station at our farm strip we
have
> today added Wap access. It works a treat. I know a few have expressed
> interest in getting something similar running.
>
> For Wap!! real time info on our weather the address is
> http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata
>
> for internet access it is
> http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
>
> I'm going to find the new wap page good for accessing wind speed direction
> and qfe etc before setting back to the field.
>
> Anyone looking at it this evening will find it is not quite up to date due
> to a major power failure in the area hence no power to the PC. Other than
> that its very reliable now.
>
> Regards
>
> Kevin
>
>
> The station consists of an Oragon Scientific WMR-968 weather station
> connected to a pc running Weather Display software.
>
> The hardware is fairly straight forward and consists of four remote
sensors
> reporting data to the main unit which records and displays the
information.
> This is linked to the pc via a serial cable.
>
> The web cam image is produced with an old inter web cam mounted in a home
> made external enclosure. Pictures are grabbed every hour and Weather
Display
> posts them to the site when it uploads on the hour.
>
> http://www.weatherfront.biz/ for the unit at 399
>
>
> http://www.ambientweather.com/Default.asp for the software
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
When I sbuild my europa monowheel I had not flow in 12 years (kids, job
etc.) but now that my kids are grown I wanted to start flying again. I got
a bi-annual flight review, flew about 3 hours in a cessna 150, flew an hour
in the factory mono-wheel and then started flying my plane.
When I was flying before it was modtly in Globe & Temco Swifts so I had a
lot of tailwheel experience (about 600hrs) but years ago. That is the only
tailwheel plane I had flown except for about 30 minutes in a Champ.
Even though I was "rusty" I found my mono-wheel to have excellent ground
handling. I spent serveral hours taxiing around before flying and found it
easy to steer and taxi. The only thing different than other taildraggers is
the steering radius is larger and you have to plan ahead in tight
situations. So far it has never been a problem.
In early flights I found it was a bit like golf - pretty easy to due but
hard to master!! In other words it's not hard to land, but it takes some
practice to land well. First off it must be landed how it wants to.
Airspeed and attitude control are important. Steering is easy but if you
hit the main wheel first it will bounce (very high!). After getting used to
it I find it much easier to land than the Swift and its wayy easier to get
it into shorter strips or unusual places. I regularly land in grass that is
pretty rough and thats even easier than smooth concrete. After flying it
for a few years now - I love the landing and handling. I can put the plane
where I want in any wind conditions, I can make last minute landing
adjustments easily and just like the handling.
The big question everyone asks is could they land it. I think anyone can
learn but for a lowtime pilot with no tailwheel experience it would be a big
handful. I would suggest that at a minimum people considering flying the
mono-wheel should have a tailwheel endorsment and be comfortable in another
tailwheel plane before even starting with a mono-wheel. After that a
checkout in a factory plane is probably a must. Not because it is hard -
but because it is different. I remember talking with Jim Brown who owned a
Pitts and had lots of tailwheel time. He was having a hard time with the
Europa because in the Pitts he lookd out the side on landing. When the
Europa dipped a wing his brain said to his feet that the plane was turning
and he would fight the steering. The solution was to look out the
windsheild when landing and poof! his landings were excellent. That is an
example of how it might be different that other taildraggers.
Anyone who wants to invest in some training and practice can learn to fly a
taildragger. Just a tiny bit more and the Europa mono-wheel is a blast. I
would not consider flying a sailplane or floatplane with out a bit of
training, this is no different.
Bob Jacobsen
A131
>From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Ground Handling
>Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:29:45 EST
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
>
> I was talking to a prospective Europa flyer online today. He was
>asking about the handling problems while on the ground of the Europa
>monowheel. While I've got about 30 hours in a conventional taildragger, and
>have had the chance on three occasions to fly in Kim Prout's and the
>factory
>demonstrator, I was never asked to takeoff or land them.
>But I am also aware that the monowheel takeoff and landing technique is
>effectively different. Could a few of the seasoned Europa monowheel flyers
>on
>this forum provide some qualified discussion of the these two phases of
>flight? I'm sure he would appreciate it.
>
>Mike Duane A207
>Redding, California
>XS Trigear
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Bob,
That was an excellent description of the monowheel handling that anyone like
myself getting up to speed would appreciate. I would ask one more thing, if
you don't mind. Can you describe the cross wind handling of the aircraft? I
have not flown in any more than 5 knots of wind so far and in my last 10
hours of flight time, I plan to focus mostly on that regime of flight. I
understand the straightening of the aircraft just prior to touchdown, but I
am wondering if your timing is a little off, what happens. If you input the
rudder too early, the airplane will start to drift sideways, unless you bank
into the wind. You will end up touching down in a sideways drift. I have
ended up drifting sideways a couple times with no winds and it seemed to not
be a problem. If you input the rudder too late, you will be hitting in a
crab, which I would think would be a big problem, giving the unstable nature
of a tail dragger.
Can you touch down on the up wind out rigger in these airplanes first? There
is a slight amount of bank possible when the airplane is on the main, but the
main is not compressed.
This is the last item I need to get through before feeling that I made the
right decision in the gear configuration of my airplane. I feel somewhat as
I did 24 years ago as a student pilot -- watching the flags while driving to
the airport. Part of this is due to knowing a Europa owner who ground looped
his monowheel airplane twice. I can see what the possibilities are and don't
want the same thing to happen to me!
Thanks again for the great description!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
28 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I agree with Bob's excellent description of the Mono. I had two hours in
the demo and it was very helpful. I operate off grass and that helps a lot.
It would help any beginning Mono pilot to learn on grass. I have found it
important to not land too fast. That leads to bouncing that is not helpful
in any taildragger. My first landing on my first test flight was the best I
have done. I was careful about approach speeds , touchdown speed and
attitude. At one hundred hours and over one hundred landings , like ANY
airplane, if you get casual and sloppy landing it will be a problem. In the
final analysis, taildraggers are more challenge then trigear. That's why
more planes today are trigear. Some say the trigear is just as fast. I
doubt it. I got the mono because it has a sexy look that trigears do not
have. Even the lowly Cessna 150 looks better as a taildragger. Something
about the perky stance of the taildragger plane.
Ken Carpenter
A123 N9XS 914 Mono
----- Original Message -----
From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Ground Handling
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Bob,
>
> That was an excellent description of the monowheel handling that anyone
like
> myself getting up to speed would appreciate. I would ask one more thing,
if
> you don't mind. Can you describe the cross wind handling of the aircraft?
I
> have not flown in any more than 5 knots of wind so far and in my last 10
> hours of flight time, I plan to focus mostly on that regime of flight. I
> understand the straightening of the aircraft just prior to touchdown, but
I
> am wondering if your timing is a little off, what happens. If you input
the
> rudder too early, the airplane will start to drift sideways, unless you
bank
> into the wind. You will end up touching down in a sideways drift. I have
> ended up drifting sideways a couple times with no winds and it seemed to
not
> be a problem. If you input the rudder too late, you will be hitting in a
> crab, which I would think would be a big problem, giving the unstable
nature
> of a tail dragger.
>
> Can you touch down on the up wind out rigger in these airplanes first?
There
> is a slight amount of bank possible when the airplane is on the main, but
the
> main is not compressed.
>
> This is the last item I need to get through before feeling that I made the
> right decision in the gear configuration of my airplane. I feel somewhat
as
> I did 24 years ago as a student pilot -- watching the flags while driving
to
> the airport. Part of this is due to knowing a Europa owner who ground
looped
> his monowheel airplane twice. I can see what the possibilities are and
don't
> want the same thing to happen to me!
>
> Thanks again for the great description!
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
> 28 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> All this talk about ground handeling of monowheel.
I got to thinking.
Granted the Tri-Gear is unconventional gear aeroplane.
Is the Mono-Wheel a conventional gear aeroplane?
Ron Parigoris
Awaiting Monowheel kit, now halfway between UK and US
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| Subject: | Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> Can you describe the cross wind handling of the aircraft? I
have not flown in any more than 5 knots of wind so far and in my last 10
hours of flight time,
Have a look at www.kaon.co.nz/europa/flying.html for some comments about
handling the monowheel in crosswinds.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Weather station |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Where is it from Octon Cross Roads?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Weather station
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
> We are 48 miles directly east of Pately Bridge. Or 10 miles north of
> driffield. or from York go 27 miles bearing 070 deg
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weather station
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I have looked at your site. Now where is it with regards to a town? The
> reason I ask is that my daughter lives in Pateley Bridge.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@matronics.com>;
> "Microlights@yahoogroups.com" <microlights@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Weather station
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
> <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Just a further development to our weather station at our farm strip we
> have
> > today added Wap access. It works a treat. I know a few have expressed
> > interest in getting something similar running.
> >
> > For Wap!! real time info on our weather the address is
> > http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata
> >
> > for internet access it is
> > http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/wxdata/eddsfield.htm
> >
> > I'm going to find the new wap page good for accessing wind speed
direction
> > and qfe etc before setting back to the field.
> >
> > Anyone looking at it this evening will find it is not quite up to date
due
> > to a major power failure in the area hence no power to the PC. Other
than
> > that its very reliable now.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > The station consists of an Oragon Scientific WMR-968 weather station
> > connected to a pc running Weather Display software.
> >
> > The hardware is fairly straight forward and consists of four remote
> sensors
> > reporting data to the main unit which records and displays the
> information.
> > This is linked to the pc via a serial cable.
> >
> > The web cam image is produced with an old inter web cam mounted in a
home
> > made external enclosure. Pictures are grabbed every hour and Weather
> Display
> > posts them to the site when it uploads on the hour.
> >
> > http://www.weatherfront.biz/ for the unit at 399
> >
> >
> > http://www.ambientweather.com/Default.asp for the software
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I am trying to fit the top fuselage to the bottom today. Can anyone quickly
tell me if the black marker line thats on the flange of the bottom half is
the trim line? It dosen't say anything about this in the manual I have. I
guess this is one of those things us first time builders are to know. Also
any other advice on this process will be appreciated.
Jeff
A258
Tri Gear
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Hello,
I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch should I choose to
use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a switch that if I 1/2 depress it
either for nose up or down, well I get 1/2 rate. This rate would actuate
the Servo Speed Control circuitry and would be suitable for high speed
cruising. Then I want to be able to fully depress the switch to get a
faster rate in either direction. I have tried to research the net, but
switches is a bit of a minefield if you are not electically minded. I have
tried Spruce to no avail and would like to request advice on the
applicability or otherwise of my switch idea, and where I would get them.
Lastly, I would like to know if anyone else has used this Servo Speed
Control and if so, was it co located with the servo on the rear bulkhead?
Thanks.................
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Jeff Hi!
If I recall correctly there was some sort of very feint trim line
around top and bottom fuselage sections.
Things I remember thinking 'damn' or some other words! regarded
ensuring a good fit in all areas especially around tail section and
ensuring any 'lumps' or 'bumps' on the inside of the mouldings were
removed. Also with the XS keeping the Fin vertical!
The other consideration is regarding what you have already completed
prior to 'sticking' the lid on.
With care it's advisory to get most wing attachment and U/C jobs done,
also wiring and Tailplane 'top hat'. Aerial wiring could be done and
any thing that will make you cuss once the lid is on. Rear baggage
bulkhead should be in place too.
We used large plastic tape covered washers and self tapping screws to
pull halves of fuselage together, filling the holes later and clecos
where last minute gaps were seen. We also applied 'goo' to bottom
Fuselage and the carefully stretched out top fuselage as we lowered it
down.
It's not a bad job. Definitely needs at least 2 people.
Best of luck
Kind Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Tony Hi!
> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch should I
> choose to
> use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a switch that if I 1/2 depress
> it
> either for nose up or down, well I get 1/2 rate. This rate would
> actuate
> the Servo Speed Control circuitry and would be suitable for high speed
> cruising. Then I want to be able to fully depress the switch to get a
> faster rate in either direction.
I'm have fitted the Mac Servo Controller from Matronics.
Website: http://www.matronics.com/governor/index.htm
It has a range of uses including multiplexing of multiple Trim Sx's and
Trim Speed adjustment.
Have a look at it on the Web as it may fit the bill.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Jeff:
I bonded my top on just 2 weeks ago, a word of caution do not put the top
on until you really have to. If you do it when the manual says all of the
subsequent operations will be very hard and inconvenient to do. Get all
your wiring, antennas, fuel lines, pumps, flap stuff, etc in first. About
the only thing I had to do in the back with the top on was the layups on
the baggage bay bulkhead, and that required some contortions. Having said
that one item that is critical is that you have the bottom of the fuselage
cradeled up so it is not twisted. I leveled the boat bottom at points
behind the fire wall, behind the cockpit module, and behind the rear
bulkhead. Using aluminum angle to create flats for the level that register
from the joggle on the bottom fuselage half. If you look real close at the
dorsal area of the top of your fuselage you will see small tooling marks
(little x's scribed) evenly spaced on the spine. Crawl under your fuselage
bottom and you will see the same things on the belly. When you set the
fuselage halfs together drill a hole through one of the top tooling marks
and hang a plumb bob from it. You should line up or be very close to a
correponding tooling mark on the bottom.
You should see very faint trim lines etched on both the top and bottom
halfs. Shine a light obliquely to pick it up and highlight it with a pencil.
I used about 40 or 50 clecoes to hold the mess together, to avoid drilling
out rivets or messing with sheet metal screws. I put small washers on the
backside of these where there was access to get some good gripping force.
To make life easier however when the adhesive is partially set up take out
one cleco at a time clean the muck out of it with a wire wheel and put it
back in. It makes life so much easier when everything is set up and cured.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/23/03 2:38:10 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Trim Line
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I am trying to fit the top fuselage to the bottom today. Can anyone
quickly
> tell me if the black marker line thats on the flange of the bottom half is
> the trim line? It dosen't say anything about this in the manual I have. I
> guess this is one of those things us first time builders are to know. Also
> any other advice on this process will be appreciated.
>
> Jeff
> A258
> Tri Gear
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 3/23/03 10:34 PM, Steve Hagar at hagargs@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Jeff:
>
> I bonded my top on just 2 weeks ago, a word of caution do not put the top
> on until you really have to. If you do it when the manual says all of the
> subsequent operations will be very hard and inconvenient to do. Get all
> your wiring, antennas, fuel lines, pumps, flap stuff, etc in first. About
> the only thing I had to do in the back with the top on was the layups on
> the baggage bay bulkhead, and that required some contortions. Having said
> that one item that is critical is that you have the bottom of the fuselage
> cradeled up so it is not twisted. I leveled the boat bottom at points
> behind the fire wall, behind the cockpit module, and behind the rear
> bulkhead. Using aluminum angle to create flats for the level that register
> from the joggle on the bottom fuselage half. If you look real close at the
> dorsal area of the top of your fuselage you will see small tooling marks
> (little x's scribed) evenly spaced on the spine. Crawl under your fuselage
> bottom and you will see the same things on the belly. When you set the
> fuselage halfs together drill a hole through one of the top tooling marks
> and hang a plumb bob from it. You should line up or be very close to a
> correponding tooling mark on the bottom.
>
> You should see very faint trim lines etched on both the top and bottom
> halfs. Shine a light obliquely to pick it up and highlight it with a pencil.
>
> I used about 40 or 50 clecoes to hold the mess together, to avoid drilling
> out rivets or messing with sheet metal screws. I put small washers on the
> backside of these where there was access to get some good gripping force.
> To make life easier however when the adhesive is partially set up take out
> one cleco at a time clean the muck out of it with a wire wheel and put it
> back in. It makes life so much easier when everything is set up and cured.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 3/23/03 2:38:10 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: Trim Line
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>> I am trying to fit the top fuselage to the bottom today. Can anyone
> quickly
>> tell me if the black marker line thats on the flange of the bottom half is
>> the trim line? It dosen't say anything about this in the manual I have. I
>> guess this is one of those things us first time builders are to know. Also
>> any other advice on this process will be appreciated.
>>
>> Jeff
>> A258
>> Tri Gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
> Thanks Steve and everyone else,
IWhat a great tool this lists is.
Jeff
A258
>
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
> Hello,
> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
> well I get 1/2 rate.
If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not want a
reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both for fine
adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC stick grip.
When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have mounted in the
panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Dave,
Thanks very much for the advice. I have not heard much positive about the trim
unit. I know it is quite powerful. I do however want to keep my options open as
to what type of stick grip I use. My friend here in Sydney has trim on the
stick, and also pitch on the left/right buttons. I can't get my head around it,
or not at least without much thought. I wish the stick grips came with 2 lots
of button heads in 2 vertical rows. This setup would suit the pitch and the
trim. They obviously could easily do it, as the switchgear is within the grip,
only the position of the holes would have to change, supposing the switchgear
underneath had no conflict. I think I need to give this some more thought. I
recently had Graham Singleton staying with me here in Sydney and he thinks the
stick mounted trim could have been contributory to his accident. I thought
consequently that I would put it on the dash, or at least near the throttle
somewhere. Do you feel the stick is a good place?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 07:05 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
>
>> Hello,
>> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
>> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
>> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
>> well I get 1/2 rate.
>
>If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not want a
>reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both for fine
>adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC stick grip.
>When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have mounted in the
>panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
>
>Dave DeFord
>N135TD
>
>
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
> ...I have not heard much positive about the trim unit.
> ... Do you feel the stick is a good place? Reg Tony Renshaw
The trim buttons on top of the stick are better than anything I have used in
other airplanes. I have never had a problem with inadvertently pressing the
switches with maps, etc., resting on the stick. The grip in N135TD has two
raised buttons on the forward edge, in addition to the four flush-mounted
trim switches. (We use these buttons to control a home-brew instrument that
includes a variometer, G-meter, fuel gauge, OAT, flight timer, etc.) They
might help to keep foreign objects off of the trim switches, even if they
were not needed for control functions.
The only anomaly I know of with the Europa trim system is its asymmetry: the
useful range seems to be limited to the lower (nose down) half of the range
of travel.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> The only anomaly I know of with the Europa trim system is its
asymmetry: the
useful range seems to be limited to the lower (nose down) half of the
range
of travel.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has ever used the upper half of the
trim range as I have never had to use any up trim but have trimmed way
down on occasion. I'm considering moving the trim so that it's in the
middle at takeoff trim rather than one notch down.
Tony
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| Subject: | 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Tony.
The Ray Allen Company who make the Trim Servo and Relay Deck have the
necessary device which will slow down the trim. But You would probably have
to research an "either or" system or switch.
I get on quite well with the system initially provided fast or slow.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: 4 position rocker switches for trim
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Hello,
I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch should I choose to
use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a switch that if I 1/2 depress it
either for nose up or down, well I get 1/2 rate. This rate would actuate
the Servo Speed Control circuitry and would be suitable for high speed
cruising. Then I want to be able to fully depress the switch to get a
faster rate in either direction. I have tried to research the net, but
switches is a bit of a minefield if you are not electically minded. I have
tried Spruce to no avail and would like to request advice on the
applicability or otherwise of my switch idea, and where I would get them.
Lastly, I would like to know if anyone else has used this Servo Speed
Control and if so, was it co located with the servo on the rear bulkhead?
Thanks.................
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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