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1. 12:01 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Nigel Charles)
2. 03:27 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/23/03 (Graham Singleton)
3. 03:53 AM - Fuel tank vent (Steve Hagar)
4. 04:08 AM - Re: Fuel tank vent (DJA727@aol.com)
5. 04:45 AM - Re: Fuel tank vent (Gerry Holland)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Jim Brown)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Fuel tank vent (Paul McAllister)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: Fuel tank vent (Paul McAllister)
9. 09:00 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (hedley brown)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
11. 01:44 PM - Re: Fuel tank vent (Tony Renshaw)
12. 04:55 PM - Re: Monowheel Ground Handling (Kingsley Hurst)
13. 05:16 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Kingsley Hurst)
14. 05:50 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (James Nelson)
15. 05:50 PM - Re: Fuel tank vent (James Nelson)
16. 05:50 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (James Nelson)
17. 08:55 PM - trim tab (Fergus Kyle)
18. 08:59 PM - Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim (Fergus Kyle)
19. 09:47 PM - landing gear mount/engine mount (R.K. Hallett III)
20. 11:42 PM - Blue Mountain EFIS (paul stewart)
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Bob Jacobsen made some very valid comments about landing a monowheel Europa.
Don't forget that a lot of the control problems have been due to incorrect
technique on take-off. This is where the biggest handling differences
between the Europa and other taildraggers occur. As well as concentrating on
applying the correct technique it is wise to apply a reduced crosswind limit
until you are totally happy with your skills. As I have only limited hours
on the aircraft I have a self imposed crosswind limit of 10kts. I would
suggest that even this is built up to gradually. Europas with 80hp and
ground adjustable props are more vulnerable to control problems at take-off
due to the slower acceleration causing the aircraft to be in the difficult
to control speed range (35 -50kts) for longer. Also any Europa fitted with a
CS prop will benefit on landing due to the fine pitch reducing the time in
the flare.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/23/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/03/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >> The only anomaly I know of with the Europa trim system is its
>asymmetry: the
>useful range seems to be limited to the lower (nose down) half of the
>range
>of travel.
>
>I'd be interested to hear if anyone has ever used the upper half of the
>trim range as I have never had to use any up trim but have trimmed way
>down on occasion. I'm considering moving the trim so that it's in the
>middle at takeoff trim rather than one notch down.
>
>Tony
Hi All
first before I forget, thanks for the fantastic hospitality Joan & I
received down under. We had a wonderful month in the sun & fun of NZ and
Oz. I even got to sit in the RH seat of 3 super Europas ! Thanks Tony, Mal
& Kevin.
Back to the subject,trim. I have noticed that not all Europas behave
exactly the same. Our classic would pitch up strongly if full power was
applied from a trimmed 60kt glide, ie if making a go round. I believe there
was one fatal stall spin caused by this. Not all Classics do this. Bottom
line, remember all airplanes are different and have their little quirks so
don't make any assumptions and get to know yours as well as you can.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank vent to the
top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of the
aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found success
with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
a ram air application as noted for the top side?
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 3/24/2003 3:54:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hagargs@earthlink.net writes:
> I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank vent to the
> top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of the
> aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found success
> with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
> a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
>
Steve,
I used a vent tube on the bottom that is the same shape as the ones on the
top, but a larger diameter. It is curved forward to provide ram air and has a
smaller hole drilled in the back side - as the plans call for on the top.
After 28 hours, it is working fine.
Dave
A227
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Steve Hi!
> A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
> a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
>
I have used a 'Ram air' as per on the top. It comes out near Flap root
and has 'relief' hole as per recommended for top Fuselage Vent.
I Reduxed the stainless Tube supplied for conventional venting into the
1/4 Aluminium Piping used for all other fuel system. Can send a photo
if you need.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Tony;
In the build process, we installed the Ray Allen control stick grip with 4 button
switches on top, and the push to talk button on the front of the grip. The fore
and aft buttons have the elevator trim. the left and right buttons have the
aileron trim.
We have almost 500 hr. on this set up and and for me, I would not have it any
other way. The ability of being able to trim with my hand on the stick as opposed
to using a rocker switch on the panel in turbulence is worth its weight in gold.
In a go- around situation re-triming the a/c from landing trim to full power
climb, is a matter of holding down a button on the stick, rather than having to
move one of my hands to a rocker switch.
These are just my thoughts on this thread....
Regards
Jim Brown
N398JB
Tony Renshaw wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Dave,
> Thanks very much for the advice. I have not heard much positive about the trim
> unit. I know it is quite powerful. I do however want to keep my options open
as
> to what type of stick grip I use. My friend here in Sydney has trim on the
> stick, and also pitch on the left/right buttons. I can't get my head around it,
> or not at least without much thought. I wish the stick grips came with 2 lots
> of button heads in 2 vertical rows. This setup would suit the pitch and the
> trim. They obviously could easily do it, as the switchgear is within the grip,
> only the position of the holes would have to change, supposing the switchgear
> underneath had no conflict. I think I need to give this some more thought. I
> recently had Graham Singleton staying with me here in Sydney and he thinks the
> stick mounted trim could have been contributory to his accident. I thought
> consequently that I would put it on the dash, or at least near the throttle
> somewhere. Do you feel the stick is a good place?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
> At 07:05 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
> >
> >> Hello,
> >> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
> >> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
> >> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
> >> well I get 1/2 rate.
> >
> >If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not want a
> >reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both for fine
> >adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC stick grip.
> >When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have mounted in the
> >panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
> >
> >Dave DeFord
> >N135TD
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel tank vent
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank vent
to the
> top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of the
> aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found success
> with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
> a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
> Steve
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Steve,
Details I what I did can be seen at
http://europa363.versadev.com/jul-02.html . I have my vent exiting at in
the flap root area. No guarantees that ay of this works since I am not
flying yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel tank vent
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank vent
to the
> top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of the
> aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found success
> with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
> a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
> Steve
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Tony, in your article about cross-wind landing you mention the use of the
outrigger to prevent weathercocking. If the upwind wing is lowered, surely
that will turn the plane towards the wind, thus WORSENING the
weathercocking. If, on the other hand, one were to lower the downwing wing,
while it might straighten the 'plane up, we would be in the windward wing
high situation which is fraught with hazard. My reaction to al this is to
try to keep the wings level right through the maneuvre.... am I wrong?.... H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel Ground Handling
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >>> Can you describe the cross wind handling of the aircraft? I
> have not flown in any more than 5 knots of wind so far and in my last 10
>
> hours of flight time,
>
> Have a look at www.kaon.co.nz/europa/flying.html for some comments about
> handling the monowheel in crosswinds.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
If the wind is strong enough that the plane is going to weathercock on
takeoff you should be sitting in your armchair.
What I was trying to get across was that the into wind outrigger
actually helps the situation where you hold the aileron into wind at the
commencement of the takeoff roll.
I'll remove the word weathercocking from my description. Since writing
it I've handled a wind that was stronger that I would ever consider
normal to land in but had no option but to put the plane on the ground.
At no stage during the landing or taxy stage did the aircraft show any
desire to weathercock or misbehave.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: hedley brown
Cc:=09
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Ground Handling
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown"
<hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Tony, in your article about cross-wind landing you mention the use of
the
outrigger to prevent weathercocking. If the upwind wing is lowered,
surely
that will turn the plane towards the wind, thus WORSENING the
weathercocking. If, on the other hand, one were to lower the downwing
wing,
while it might straighten the 'plane up, we would be in the windward
wing
high situation which is fraught with hazard. My reaction to al this is
to
try to keep the wings level right through the maneuvre.... am I
wrong?.... H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel Ground Handling
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
<tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >>> Can you describe the cross wind handling of the aircraft? I
> have not flown in any more than 5 knots of wind so far and in my last
10
>
> hours of flight time,
>
> Have a look at www.kaon.co.nz/europa/flying.html for some comments
about
> handling the monowheel in crosswinds.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
My Europa mentor mate said that in his setup he installed a filter in the tank
vent line, near the outlet. This is in the case that a bug was to get in and
build a nest etc at the worst possible part of the run, behind your newly
installed roof lining!
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 05:57 AM 3/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank vent to
the
>top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of the
>aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found success
>with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small fairing, or
>a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
>Steve
>A143
>Mesa, AZ
>
>
>--- Steve Hagar
>--- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Ground Handling |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> DJA727@aol.com wrote:-
>
> I understand the straightening of the aircraft just prior to touchdown,
> but I am wondering if your timing is a little off, what happens. If you
> input the rudder too early, the airplane will start to drift sideways,
> unless you bank into the wind. You will end up touching down in a sideways
> drift.
Dave,
With the sum total of about 30 minutes in Europas and not having done a
take-off or landing, I don't profess to know all about Europa handling.
However, with a considerable amount of time as a gliding instructor, I think
I may be able to offer a suggestion which will help with the problem you
asked about. I can see no reason why it should not work with the Europa.
As with the Europa, gliders cannot be landed purposefully with a wing low,
the crabbing method of approach being adopted when landing with a
cross wind. As you said, rudder is applied to yaw the aircraft straight
just prior to touchdown. If rudder is applied fairly decisively (consistent
with the strength of the cross wind) at this time, there is a period of a
few seconds while the aircraft is skidding before it starts to drift again.
It is during this time that one wishes to put the main wheel/s on the ground
but as you have rightly pointed out, this might not and does not always
happen.
What then? Assuming there is still enough airspeed to float a little
longer, if you cast your eyes around in the direction the aircraft is now
drifting, you will pick up the point to which the aircraft is actually
travelling (as opposed to heading). Once you have identified this point,
simply apply rudder again to yaw the aircraft and make it head towards this
new point. At this time and again for a few seconds, there is no
drift so you are able to have a second go at putting it on the ground. Once
on the ground, straighten up to track in the originally desired direction.
If not successful on this second attempt, I think the cross wind may be in
excess of the pilot's capability.
You may be tempted to think this will need a wide runway but in actual
fact, it doesn't. Also, with a bit of practice, the whole procedure becomes
a progressive one rather than a two step process.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
<tonyk@kaon.co.nz> wrote:
> I'd be interested to hear if anyone has ever used the upper half of the
> trim range as I have never had to use any up trim but have trimmed way
> down on occasion. I'm considering moving the trim so that it's in the
> middle at takeoff trim rather than one notch down.
All,
This thread prompts me to mention something I have observed for a long time
now.
In all photos I have seen of airborne Europas, I have particularly noticed
that the trim tab is prominently in the up position. ie nose down trim.
Why is this so?
Assuming loading is such that the Cof G is somewhere in the mid range, I
always thought the trim should be very close to neutral.
Haven't got it at hand at the moment, but in the book by John Dykins, he
talks about the necessity for the flettner strips because of the trim tab
being within the laminar flow area or the boundary layer??. With the trim
tab displaced as much as it is in level flight, I for one, find this a bit
hard to understand.
John, are you out there??
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Jim,
I highly recommend your option of having the trim on the stick.
You don't want to be changing hands on controls etc while trying to do a
go around. Your tooooo busy getting it stabilized and going up and gear
up etc to do anything else. I used the stick grip with four buttons,
Chinese hat on top and a trigger type for transmitting. I works great, I
can talk to the tower, change trim, change frequency all with out my hand
leaving the stick. (except for raising the gear).
Jim Nelson
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:33:42 -0500 Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Tony;
>
> In the build process, we installed the Ray Allen control stick grip
> with 4 button
> switches on top, and the push to talk button on the front of the
> grip. The fore
> and aft buttons have the elevator trim. the left and right buttons
> have the
> aileron trim.
>
> We have almost 500 hr. on this set up and and for me, I would not
> have it any
> other way. The ability of being able to trim with my hand on the
> stick as opposed
> to using a rocker switch on the panel in turbulence is worth its
> weight in gold.
> In a go- around situation re-triming the a/c from landing trim to
> full power
> climb, is a matter of holding down a button on the stick, rather
> than having to
> move one of my hands to a rocker switch.
>
> These are just my thoughts on this thread....
>
> Regards
>
> Jim Brown
> N398JB
>
> Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
> >
> > Dave,
> > Thanks very much for the advice. I have not heard much positive
> about the trim
> > unit. I know it is quite powerful. I do however want to keep my
> options open as
> > to what type of stick grip I use. My friend here in Sydney has
> trim on the
> > stick, and also pitch on the left/right buttons. I can't get my
> head around it,
> > or not at least without much thought. I wish the stick grips came
> with 2 lots
> > of button heads in 2 vertical rows. This setup would suit the
> pitch and the
> > trim. They obviously could easily do it, as the switchgear is
> within the grip,
> > only the position of the holes would have to change, supposing the
> switchgear
> > underneath had no conflict. I think I need to give this some more
> thought. I
> > recently had Graham Singleton staying with me here in Sydney and
> he thinks the
> > stick mounted trim could have been contributory to his accident. I
> thought
> > consequently that I would put it on the dash, or at least near the
> throttle
> > somewhere. Do you feel the stick is a good place?
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> >
> > At 07:05 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
> <davedeford@attbi.com>
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
> > >> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
> > >> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
> > >> well I get 1/2 rate.
> > >
> > >If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not
> want a
> > >reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both
> for fine
> > >adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC
> stick grip.
> > >When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have
> mounted in the
> > >panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
> > >
> > >Dave DeFord
> > >N135TD
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Steve,
I ran my vents like you and ran it out the bottom and put it in
the same configuration as the original with a 90 degree bend toward the
front. I also drilled a small hole in the back to protect from plugging.
Even a straight out the bottom with a 45 degree bevel (toward the front)
will work just fine. Just be sure to drill the vent hole in the back to
protect the system from plugging.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 5:57:31 -0700 "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
> <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I just installed my molded fuel manifold, ran the fuel tank
> vent to the
> top of it with a T and am now headed back down the the bottom of
> the
> aircraft. What kind of outlet configuration have people found
> success
> with? A straight tube, a T with 2 outlets, exit behind a small
> fairing, or
> a ram air application as noted for the top side?
>
> Steve
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Tony and All,
I installed the "Allen" servo's for rudder trim, aileron trim and
pitch trim. I utilized Allen's reduced voltage unit to slow down all the
servo's. I found the original factory units, go to fast to get small
changes.
I now have nice controllable pitch changes etc. I think it is the way to
do it.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:30:54 +1100 Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Dave,
> Thanks very much for the advice. I have not heard much positive
> about the trim
> unit. I know it is quite powerful. I do however want to keep my
> options open as
> to what type of stick grip I use. My friend here in Sydney has trim
> on the
> stick, and also pitch on the left/right buttons. I can't get my head
> around it,
> or not at least without much thought. I wish the stick grips came
> with 2 lots
> of button heads in 2 vertical rows. This setup would suit the pitch
> and the
> trim. They obviously could easily do it, as the switchgear is within
> the grip,
> only the position of the holes would have to change, supposing the
> switchgear
> underneath had no conflict. I think I need to give this some more
> thought. I
> recently had Graham Singleton staying with me here in Sydney and he
> thinks the
> stick mounted trim could have been contributory to his accident. I
> thought
> consequently that I would put it on the dash, or at least near the
> throttle
> somewhere. Do you feel the stick is a good place?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> At 07:05 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
> <davedeford@attbi.com>
> >
> >> Hello,
> >> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
> >> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
> >> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
> >> well I get 1/2 rate.
> >
> >If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not
> want a
> >reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both
> for fine
> >adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC stick
> grip.
> >When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have
> mounted in the
> >panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
> >
> >Dave DeFord
> >N135TD
> >
> >
>
>
> =====================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Kingsley Hurst,
Nice eye! I must go through all my copies and see what the trim
tab looks like!
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: 4 position rocker switches for trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
The T33 and the Sabre had coolie-hat trim button on the stick and transmit
button on the throckle. The Vampire had the transmit button right beside the
cannons fire button (desparately handy), and the trim button was an 8-inch
wheel under your left elbow. It sometimes came off in your hand...........
Ferg
A064
Original Message -----
From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 4 position rocker switches for trim
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Jim,
> I highly recommend your option of having the trim on the stick.
> You don't want to be changing hands on controls etc while trying to do a
> go around. Your tooooo busy getting it stabilized and going up and gear
> up etc to do anything else. I used the stick grip with four buttons,
> Chinese hat on top and a trigger type for transmitting. I works great, I
> can talk to the tower, change trim, change frequency all with out my hand
> leaving the stick. (except for raising the gear).
>
> Jim Nelson
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:33:42 -0500 Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > Tony;
> >
> > In the build process, we installed the Ray Allen control stick grip
> > with 4 button
> > switches on top, and the push to talk button on the front of the
> > grip. The fore
> > and aft buttons have the elevator trim. the left and right buttons
> > have the
> > aileron trim.
> >
> > We have almost 500 hr. on this set up and and for me, I would not
> > have it any
> > other way. The ability of being able to trim with my hand on the
> > stick as opposed
> > to using a rocker switch on the panel in turbulence is worth its
> > weight in gold.
> > In a go- around situation re-triming the a/c from landing trim to
> > full power
> > climb, is a matter of holding down a button on the stick, rather
> > than having to
> > move one of my hands to a rocker switch.
> >
> > These are just my thoughts on this thread....
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jim Brown
> > N398JB
> >
> > Tony Renshaw wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> > <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > > Thanks very much for the advice. I have not heard much positive
> > about the trim
> > > unit. I know it is quite powerful. I do however want to keep my
> > options open as
> > > to what type of stick grip I use. My friend here in Sydney has
> > trim on the
> > > stick, and also pitch on the left/right buttons. I can't get my
> > head around it,
> > > or not at least without much thought. I wish the stick grips came
> > with 2 lots
> > > of button heads in 2 vertical rows. This setup would suit the
> > pitch and the
> > > trim. They obviously could easily do it, as the switchgear is
> > within the grip,
> > > only the position of the holes would have to change, supposing the
> > switchgear
> > > underneath had no conflict. I think I need to give this some more
> > thought. I
> > > recently had Graham Singleton staying with me here in Sydney and
> > he thinks the
> > > stick mounted trim could have been contributory to his accident. I
> > thought
> > > consequently that I would put it on the dash, or at least near the
> > throttle
> > > somewhere. Do you feel the stick is a good place?
> > > Reg
> > > Tony Renshaw
> > >
> > > At 07:05 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
> > <davedeford@attbi.com>
> > > >
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >> I am thinking about using a multi function rocker switch
> > > >> should I choose to use the MAC Servo Speed Control. I want a
> > > >> switch that if I 1/2 depress it either for nose up or down,
> > > >> well I get 1/2 rate.
> > > >
> > > >If you use pushbutton switches on the stick for trim, you may not
> > want a
> > > >reduced speed mode. I find the normal speed to be perfect, both
> > for fine
> > > >adjustments and for major changes, using the buttons on a MAC
> > stick grip.
> > > >When using the factory-supplied rocker switch (which we have
> > mounted in the
> > > >panel), it is harder to make small adjustments.
> > > >
> > > >Dave DeFord
> > > >N135TD
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | landing gear mount/engine mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.K. Hallett III" <reddog@gbis.com>
To those who have gone before me...
Any suggestions as to the proper technique for mounting the mount?
Kevin made some great suggestions, but I thought I'd ask you all, also.
It taps in place with a rubber mallet, the landing gear swings true to
the tunnel and there is 3/8" space at the top bar to allow for the
"rubber band".
Any and all help would be well received.
Thanks, Ralph
Mono MotorGlider
Reno, NV
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
I believe there are a few out there fitting (or have fitted?) the blue
mountain EFIS. I'm interested in how much modification was needed to the
panel to accept the screen and where folk have mounted the magnetometer
(given that my wings are closed). If there is anyone in the UK further down
the line than thinking about it I wouldn't mind getting in touch.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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