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1. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Kevin Klinefelter)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (Jeremy Davey)
3. 08:40 AM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (craig ellison)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (craig ellison)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (craig ellison)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Cliff Shaw)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Cliff Shaw)
9. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Cliff Shaw)
10. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (craig ellison)
11. 11:44 AM - Insurance coverage? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
12. 11:54 AM - Re: Insurance coverage? (David Glauser)
13. 12:07 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (Peter Zutrauen)
14. 12:08 PM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (hedley brown)
15. 12:08 PM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (hedley brown)
16. 12:10 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (David Glauser)
17. 12:34 PM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (John & Amy Eckel)
18. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (ScramIt@aol.com)
19. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requirements for Rotax (Erich D Trombley)
20. 01:39 PM - Strobes (DvdPar@aol.com)
21. 01:45 PM - Stern Post (DvdPar@aol.com)
22. 02:04 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (Trems)
23. 02:07 PM - Re: Strobes (Richard)
24. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Kevin Klinefelter)
25. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (JW)
27. 06:27 PM - Re: Strobes (R.C.Harrison)
28. 06:27 PM - Re: Strobes (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
29. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (Robert Berube)
30. 08:58 PM - Re: CS04 tufnol bearings (Tony Renshaw)
31. 09:07 PM - 1102 Metres (Tony Renshaw)
32. 10:38 PM - Re: Strobes (Gerry Holland)
33. 10:52 PM - Re: Stern Post (Gerry Holland)
34. 11:16 PM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (Kevin Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I have to
rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the tank
outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does that
mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David DeFord
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
Craig,
Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the engine back
to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return line is
1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to remove
what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914 than it
is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be larger.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> craig ellison
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
>
> Thanks much for your help.
>
> craig
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| Subject: | Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Allan,
It was no big deal for me. Based on a statistical sample of one, I suggest
you get your training in where you can get a decent standard at a decent
price, then think about issues like low vs. high wing when you convert to
your Europa. I've got that stage to come yet, but I'm already sure I'll have
more significant changes to think about (like going from trigear aircraft
like the PA28 and Slingsby Firefly to a monowheel).
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trems
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Trems" <Tremsx2@lvcm.com>
Hi all'
Well I have been going around and talking with the different companies that
train pilots here in Las Vegas. One of them I really like and they said if
I really want to get trained in a low wing aircraft then I may want to wait
about one month. They will be getting a new aircraft in it's a CH-2000
http://www.newplane.com/amd/ch2000.html this aircraft would of course cost
more to get trained in. I did talk with one instructor and he said that it
really is not that big of a deal going from a high wing to a low wing
aircraft. I wanted to see what ya'll thought about this. Any info on this
would be a very big help.
Thanks for any input
Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
Although I have only about an hour with John Hurst in the demo Europa, I
would liken it's flight characteristics to that of the Grumman trainer/TR-2,
of which I have about 45 hours in. Aside from the TR-2 using a yolk instead
of a stick, the roll performance, pitch characteristics and landing
characteristics, at least with the tri-gear, are very similar. Of course, the
Europa is much faster than the TR-2.
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Dave,
Good thought. Bob Berube informed me that 3/8" was indeed needed for the
914 for fuel feed but said nothing about the fuel return. I have it done in
1/4" too. I'll get back to him about that also. Thanks much for the heads
up. BTY if you're planning to come to Arlington this year I'd love to have
you stop by at my home field , Lenhardts(7S9) for a visit. It's a great
little field. Has both paved and grass runways. Lots of friendly people
and a good place to rest if you need one.
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
>
> Craig,
>
> Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the engine
back
> to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return line
is
> 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
remove
> what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914 than
it
> is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be larger.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > craig ellison
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> >
> > Thanks much for your help.
> >
> > craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Kevin,
I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping anything
out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa supplies us
with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could 3/8"
versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very confused.
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
> fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I have
to
> rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the tank
> outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does
that
> mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David DeFord
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
>
> Craig,
>
> Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the engine
back
> to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return line
is
> 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
remove
> what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914 than
it
> is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be larger.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > craig ellison
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> >
> > Thanks much for your help.
> >
> > craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Bob,
A couple of follow up questions:
You said 3/8 ID min. for the 914 . Am I correct then that I would need to
use 1/2" Versatube aft of the firewall?
Also I have run 1/4" Versatube for the fuel return to the tank. Does this
also need to be larger. ( 3/8"ID or 1/2"Versatube)
I'm easily confused on these matters and that's where I'm at right now.
thanks for you help,
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Craig,
> The minimum for the 914 is 5/16 ID which is included with the firewall
> forward kit. If you are planning on using aluminum fuel lines with AN
> aircraft fittings, you will need to go with 3/8 ID since 5/16 AN flare
> fittings are generally not available.
> Regards,
> Bob Berube A166 Conventional
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > All, There was a question a few days ago concerning the fuel line
> > requirements for Rotax 912, 912S, and 914 engines. I didn't see any
> > responses . I'm fitting out my fuel system now for a 914 and have run a
> 1/4
> > " ID versatube line from the firewall back to the fuel pumps. Is this
> > adequate? Or should it be 3/8". Any advice from those who have gone
> before
> > much appreciated. Thanks
> >
> > craig ellison
> > a205
> > silverton, or
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
> <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > By 'upgrading' I mean the process by which some people have changed
> > > these
> > > 1/4" pins to 5/16" pins and reamed out the holes accordingly -
> > > 'oversizing'
> > > you call it.
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > You've got a crossed message here...
> > >
> > > The pip pins, as you correctly describe, are used to hold the
> > > stabililators to the torque tube.
> > >
> > > The oversizing has not been done to these but to the pins within the
> > > body of the aircraft holding the central parts of the torque tube
> > > together. As you will see, these pins are retained with split pins and
> > > are therefore referred to as permanent pins.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Kevin and Craig
The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
still )
You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID will
have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and think
about it.
Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
----- Original Message -----
From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping anything
> out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa supplies
us
> with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could 3/8"
> versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very confused.
>
> craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> >
> > Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
> > fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I have
> to
> > rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the
tank
> > outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does
> that
> > mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> > Kevin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David DeFord
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@attbi.com>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the engine
> back
> > to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return line
> is
> > 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
> remove
> > what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914
than
> it
> > is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be larger.
> >
> > Dave DeFord
> > N135TD
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > craig ellison
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> > >
> > > Thanks much for your help.
> > >
> > > craig
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Kevin and Craig (trying again)
The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
still )
You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID will
have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and think
about it.
Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too
Cliff Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
All
I apologies for this , but I can't seem to get the message to come through
correctly. It keeps dropping the second line of text. It should be "The ID
of those fitting is .152" !!!! Stop and thing about what we are
Cliff Shaw
> Kevin and Craig (trying again)
>
> The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
"--------------------- missing test ----------------" talking about.
Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Cliff,
My point exactly. I was just confused by what Bob said (5/16"ID min and
recommended 3/8"ID) This would seem much larger than the supplied tubing.
Could it be that these are OD dimensions? Bob?
craig
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> Kevin and Craig
>
> The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
> talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
> still )
> You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID
will
> have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and think
> about it.
>
> Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping
anything
> > out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa supplies
> us
> > with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could 3/8"
> > versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very confused.
> >
> > craig
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
<kevann@gte.net>
> > >
> > > Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
> > > fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I
have
> > to
> > > rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the
> tank
> > > outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does
> > that
> > > mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
DeFord
>
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
<davedeford@attbi.com>
> > >
> > > Craig,
> > >
> > > Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the
engine
> > back
> > > to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return
line
> > is
> > > 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
> > remove
> > > what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914
> than
> > it
> > > is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be
larger.
> > >
> > > Dave DeFord
> > > N135TD
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > craig ellison
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > > > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > > > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > > > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > > > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > > > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much for your help.
> > > >
> > > > craig
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance coverage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Hello Europa List
I have a question about insurance coverage for bits and pieces of an europa before
they are arranged such, as to fly together in close formation.
My homeowners policy does not cover such.
Any ideas on subject?
Ron Parigoris
Long Island NY USA
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| Subject: | Insurance coverage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
You can buy construction insurance through the EAA, offered by Falcon. You can't
buy it directly from Falcon. Avemco used to offer it but they no longer do so.
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Subject: Europa-List: Insurance coverage?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Hello Europa List
I have a question about insurance coverage for bits and pieces of an europa before
they are arranged such, as to fly together in close formation.
My homeowners policy does not cover such.
Any ideas on subject?
Ron Parigoris
Long Island NY USA
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| Subject: | Insurance coverage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Ron,
Sorry, but I have no suggestions for US coverage except to check with
the EAA.
I was forced to pay $800/yr Cdn for my bits and pieces through the COPA
(the Canadian AOPA) sponsored insurance plan.
I was surprised that they charged the same rate for the
'work-in-progress' insurance per dollar insured as for 'not-in-motion'
coverage of a plane which is in actual service. They tried to defend
this by suggesting that a bunch of pieces are more likely to walk away
than a whole plane which may have more risk from the elements. Go
figure.
I'm hoping to find something more reasonable for next year.
Cheers,
Pete
A239 dual-wing
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Subject: Europa-List: Insurance coverage?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Hello Europa List
I have a question about insurance coverage for bits and pieces of an
europa before
they are arranged such, as to fly together in close formation.
My homeowners policy does not cover such.
Any ideas on subject?
Ron Parigoris
Long Island NY USA
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
it's=it is... can't we get the aposstrphe in its place? It's very prevalent
among europeans.
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft to get PPL
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Although I have only about an hour with John Hurst in the demo Europa, I
> would liken it's flight characteristics to that of the Grumman
trainer/TR-2,
> of which I have about 45 hours in. Aside from the TR-2 using a yolk
instead
> of a stick, the roll performance, pitch characteristics and landing
> characteristics, at least with the tri-gear, are very similar. Of course,
the
> Europa is much faster than the TR-2.
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
it's=it is... can't we get the aposstrphe in its place? It's very prevalent
among europeans.
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft to get PPL
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Although I have only about an hour with John Hurst in the demo Europa, I
> would liken it's flight characteristics to that of the Grumman
trainer/TR-2,
> of which I have about 45 hours in. Aside from the TR-2 using a yolk
instead
> of a stick, the roll performance, pitch characteristics and landing
> characteristics, at least with the tri-gear, are very similar. Of course,
the
> Europa is much faster than the TR-2.
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance coverage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
FWIW, my coverage from Falcon is 1% of value ($320 US for $32000 in coverage).
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Zutrauen [mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com]
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Insurance coverage?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Ron,
Sorry, but I have no suggestions for US coverage except to check with
the EAA.
I was forced to pay $800/yr Cdn for my bits and pieces through the COPA
(the Canadian AOPA) sponsored insurance plan.
I was surprised that they charged the same rate for the
'work-in-progress' insurance per dollar insured as for 'not-in-motion'
coverage of a plane which is in actual service. They tried to defend
this by suggesting that a bunch of pieces are more likely to walk away
than a whole plane which may have more risk from the elements. Go
figure.
I'm hoping to find something more reasonable for next year.
Cheers,
Pete
A239 dual-wing
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Subject: Europa-List: Insurance coverage?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Hello Europa List
I have a question about insurance coverage for bits and pieces of an
europa before
they are arranged such, as to fly together in close formation.
My homeowners policy does not cover such.
Any ideas on subject?
Ron Parigoris
Long Island NY USA
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Amy Eckel <eckel1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trems" <Tremsx2@lvcm.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft to get PPL
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Trems" <Tremsx2@lvcm.com>
>
> Hi all'
>
> Well I have been going around and talking with the different companies
that train pilots here in Las Vegas. One of them I really like and they
said if I really want to get trained in a low wing aircraft then I may want
to wait about one month. They will be getting a new aircraft in it's a
CH-2000 http://www.newplane.com/amd/ch2000.html this aircraft would of
course cost more to get trained in. I did talk with one instructor and he
said that it really is not that big of a deal going from a high wing to a
low wing aircraft. I wanted to see what ya'll thought about this. Any info
on this would be a very big help.
>
> Thanks for any input
> Allan
Hi Allan,
I have taught quite a few people to fly and my experience is the Cessna
150/152 is an excellent
plane to learn in. It is an honest airplane that is easy to fly, but
requires the pilot to actually
fly the airplane. By this I mean it does require correct control inputs to
fly in a way that will
not drive your instructor crazy. As an example: the plane does have
adverse yaw when using
the ailerons that must be counteracted with proper rudder coordination.
This will teach you
proper use on the controls.
The flaps are very powerful and actually do something.
The plane can by put into a spin. While this is not a required maneuver, I
think they should be
taught and I did teach my students. This is based on a personal experience.
Right after I got
my PPL I was practicing power on stalls and not using enough rudder input.
When the plane
stalled in went into a spin. Because I had been there before I knew what to
do, my instructor
also believed in spin training. (I have probably opened a can of worms here
that will cause
much debate.)
The instructor you spoke with is correct, it is not a big deal to go from
high wing to low.
One advantage of the high wing during training is that you will be doing
ground reference
maneuvers and the reference is a lot easier to see if you don't have a wing
in the way.
Your instructor is very important. Try to find one that is doing it for the
enjoymnent and not
to just build time. If you don't like your instructor, change to another
one. This is a big investment
in time and money.
Good luck and enjoy, there is nothing like being in the air!
John
A230
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Hummm... I have the 912S and have installed 1/8 line for the return line. I
ask Europa about this and they said its was fine. The restrictor on the
return fuel line is a pin hole. I can't image that the 1/8 can't handle the
flow.
SteveD.
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Europa.html
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requirements for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich D Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Hi Craig,
I am currently flying a classic mono-wheel with the 914 and Versatube
lines installed. I used 3/8" O.D for the fuel line to the engine and
5/16" O.D. for the return fuel line. From the fuel regulator I have used
5//16" I.D. automotive grade fuel line (2 ft long) which I slip over the
5/16" O.D. Versatube line (secured with hose clamp). The Versatube line
is secured to the firewall with "P" clips and then transitions through
the firewall (in the S.B. lower corner) back to the fuel tank at which
point a short length of 5/16" I.D. automotive grade fuel line is used as
a transition to the fuel tank fitting. I have about 45 hours on the
plane now and all is well.
I believe Bob was referring to 3/8" O.D. rather than I.D as he states
that 5/16 flare fittings are difficult to obtain. Flare fittings are
O.D. not I.D. specific. I hope that clarifies the issue.
Erich Trombley
N28ET
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:30:37 -0800 "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> A couple of follow up questions:
>
> You said 3/8 ID min. for the 914 . Am I correct then that I would
> need to
> use 1/2" Versatube aft of the firewall?
>
> Also I have run 1/4" Versatube for the fuel return to the tank.
> Does this
> also need to be larger. ( 3/8"ID or 1/2"Versatube)
>
> I'm easily confused on these matters and that's where I'm at right
> now.
>
> thanks for you help,
>
> craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Craig,
> > The minimum for the 914 is 5/16 ID which is included with the
> firewall
> > forward kit. If you are planning on using aluminum fuel lines
> with AN
> > aircraft fittings, you will need to go with 3/8 ID since 5/16 AN
> flare
> > fittings are generally not available.
> > Regards,
> > Bob Berube A166 Conventional
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > All, There was a question a few days ago concerning the fuel
> line
> > > requirements for Rotax 912, 912S, and 914 engines. I didn't see
> any
> > > responses . I'm fitting out my fuel system now for a 914 and
> have run a
> > 1/4
> > > " ID versatube line from the firewall back to the fuel pumps.
> Is this
> > > adequate? Or should it be 3/8". Any advice from those who have
> gone
> > before
> > > much appreciated. Thanks
> > >
> > > craig ellison
> > > a205
> > > silverton, or
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
> > <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > By 'upgrading' I mean the process by which some people have
> changed
> > > > these
> > > > 1/4" pins to 5/16" pins and reamed out the holes accordingly
> -
> > > > 'oversizing'
> > > > you call it.
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > You've got a crossed message here...
> > > >
> > > > The pip pins, as you correctly describe, are used to hold the
> > > > stabililators to the torque tube.
> > > >
> > > > The oversizing has not been done to these but to the pins
> within the
> > > > body of the aircraft holding the central parts of the torque
> tube
> > > > together. As you will see, these pins are retained with split
> pins and
> > > > are therefore referred to as permanent pins.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on effect
of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
Skyflash???
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
In the past I have seen discusion on how to fit the stern post. ie. before
gluing the top of the fuse. on or after gluing fuse. top on?? Any one any
ifo ideas??
Thanks Dave Park
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance coverage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Trems" <Tremsx2@lvcm.com>
Hi Ron'
I have been looking into getting insurance for the Europa while it's being
built and for flight. The best that I found was with the EAA Falcon
insurance. While the aircraft is being built the insurance starts out low
for just the kit. Then when you get the engine and the gauges you give them
a call and it goes up with the amount of coverage. I called Falcon and
asked them all about it you have to be a EAA member to get the coverage.
When I called I talked with Jim Nelson very nice and very helpful. There
web site http://www.falconinsurance.com/index.html Hope this helps.
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Insurance coverage?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> > Hello Europa List
>
> I have a question about insurance coverage for bits and pieces of an
europa before
> they are arranged such, as to fly together in close formation.
>
> My homeowners policy does not cover such.
>
> Any ideas on subject?
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
> Long Island NY USA
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I understand that fitting the strobe on the fin is not recommended due to
the fact that it can be seen from the cockpit and causes some distraction.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DvdPar@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Strobes
--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on effect
of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
Skyflash???
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
All, I'm feeling a little less sick. I will leave the fuel lines as they are
and when the engine is in, do the fuel flow test described in the 914
installation manual. If its low then I start replacing lines. I don't think
it will get any more difficult to do later.
Thanks, Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of craig ellison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Cliff,
My point exactly. I was just confused by what Bob said (5/16"ID min and
recommended 3/8"ID) This would seem much larger than the supplied tubing.
Could it be that these are OD dimensions? Bob?
craig
craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> Kevin and Craig
>
> The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
> talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
> still )
> You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID
will
> have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and think
> about it.
>
> Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping
anything
> > out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa supplies
> us
> > with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could 3/8"
> > versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very confused.
> >
> > craig
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
<kevann@gte.net>
> > >
> > > Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
> > > fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I
have
> > to
> > > rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the
> tank
> > > outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does
> > that
> > > mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
DeFord
>
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
<davedeford@attbi.com>
> > >
> > > Craig,
> > >
> > > Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the
engine
> > back
> > > to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return
line
> > is
> > > 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
> > remove
> > > what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914
> than
> > it
> > > is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be
larger.
> > >
> > > Dave DeFord
> > > N135TD
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > craig ellison
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > > > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > > > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > > > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > > > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > > > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much for your help.
> > > >
> > > > craig
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> The restrictor on the return fuel line is a pin hole.
The 914 manual I have (v2, 1998) doesn't show a restrictor in the return
line! It does however have one in the sight gauge line.
For the 914 the fuel return line must be ....
"a line of low fuel resistance. Maximum pressure loss is 0.1bar.
(1.5psi) between fuel pressure control and tank inlet with both electric
fuel pumps in action. Otherwise the carburetors could flood".
Rotax 914F installation manual 1996 05 10, page 49.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@attbi.com>
If you are going to complain about his use of the apostrophe, you could at least
spell
it correctly. :-|
hedley brown wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
>
> it's=it is... can't we get the aposstrphe in its place? It's very prevalent
> among europeans.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard
I fitted a Goldwing Strobe to my fin without any problem to the cockpit but
it doesn't stand so high as the Air World one.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Strobes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
I understand that fitting the strobe on the fin is not recommended due to
the fact that it can be seen from the cockpit and causes some distraction.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DvdPar@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Strobes
--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on effect
of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
Skyflash???
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--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I have my strobe on the top of the fin, It is not a problem in the way of
electrical or antenna interference. I do not fly at night. In late evening
or very overcast conditions, I occasionally catch a glimpse of the light out
of the corner of my eye, reflected in the window. Not a significant
distraction but it is there.
Ken Carpenter
N9XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Strobes
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> I understand that fitting the strobe on the fin is not recommended due to
> the fact that it can be seen from the cockpit and causes some distraction.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> DvdPar@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Strobes
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on
effect
> of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
> Skyflash???
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi Craig,
Sorry guys for not getting the message complete on the fuel lines. Rubber
Hoses are measured with inside diameters and metal tubes are measured with
outside diameter. The use of the 3/8 aluminum tube is the outside diameter
and used with 3/8" AN flare fittings. I apologize for the incompletness of
the note.
Regards,
Bob Berube
----- Original Message -----
From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
<craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
> Cliff,
>
> My point exactly. I was just confused by what Bob said (5/16"ID min and
> recommended 3/8"ID) This would seem much larger than the supplied tubing.
> Could it be that these are OD dimensions? Bob?
>
> craig
>
> craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
> >
> > Kevin and Craig
> >
> > The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing.
The
> > talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
> > still )
> > You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID
> will
> > have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and
think
> > about it.
> >
> > Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too.
> >
> > Cliff Shaw
> > 1041 Euclid ave.
> > Edmonds WA 98020
> > (425) 776-5555
> > N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > >
> > > I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping
> anything
> > > out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa
supplies
> > us
> > > with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could
3/8"
> > > versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very
confused.
> > >
> > > craig
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
> <kevann@gte.net>
> > > >
> > > > Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6
AN
> > > > fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I
> have
> > > to
> > > > rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the
> > tank
> > > > outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So
does
> > > that
> > > > mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
> DeFord
> >
> > > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
> <davedeford@attbi.com>
> > > >
> > > > Craig,
> > > >
> > > > Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the
> engine
> > > back
> > > > to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return
> line
> > > is
> > > > 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
> > > remove
> > > > what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914
> > than
> > > it
> > > > is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be
> larger.
> > > >
> > > > Dave DeFord
> > > > N135TD
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > craig ellison
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > > > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > > > > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > > > > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > > > > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > > > > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > > > > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much for your help.
> > > > >
> > > > > craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS04 tufnol bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Jeremy,
Details
Top horizontal edge is 102
Bottom " " 69
They are vertically centralised i.e. they are mirror about a vertical mid axis.
Both above edges are 50.5 mm apart.
Top holes are 11 down from top horiz edge and 11 from corner of top horiz and
adjoining angled side edge
Bottom holes are 11 up from bottom horiz edge and 4 mm in from corner of bottom
horiz and adjoining angled side edge.
The big hole is in the middle and is irrelevant at this stage. As I recall the
issue of where to put the ribs was determined by the holes cut in the vertical
face of the thigh support front face.The cutting lines are marked on the
module. If you then locate your ribs to allow enough space for the cloth that
supports the ribs in the vertical layups when the module is in its natural
orientation, against the inside of the front face of the thigh support ( I left
1/2" ) , well this is where you get washer crowding. The washers are big, and
the bottom ones aren't an issue. Neither are the top ones as you can easily cut
keyholes for the bolt tails and the nuts and washers after if you have to. It
doesn't effect the strength. I have sent a photo to you directly prior to
answering this. Hope this helps.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 05:29 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
><jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
>I'm working on fitting the ribs under my cockpit module and it says to
>put them where they aren't in the way of the CS04 tufnol bearings'
>bolts. Unfortunately I don't have my CS04's yet (I think they're on
>back order). Does anyone out there have one to hand that could let me
>know the horizontal and vertical separation between the bolt hole centres?
>
>Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>
>Regards,
>Jeremy
>
>Jeremy Davey
>
>Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Getting better...........building slower
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on
> effect
> of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
> Skyflash???
>
>
I have Dual Airworld strobes (Fin and Fuselage Belly). Tested with
TX/RX (Bob Archer Ae. in Sternpost) operating on ground (not flying
yet!) and no problems whatsoever.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Dave Hi!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> In the past I have seen discusion on how to fit the stern post. ie.
> before
> gluing the top of the fuse. on or after gluing fuse. top on?? Any one
> any
> ifo ideas??
>
Did mine as 2 separate operations.
It is easy enough to 'place' ribs when glueing, holding them in place
with a couple of greased clecos and then the alignment of their fit to
Stern post is a more relaxed affair. With the XS you can view down the
inside of Fin to ensure Ribs butt to Stern Post. The whole process
needs a dummy rum for alignment with a brief check list to ensure all
tasks are completed as the area is effectively sealed after completion.
Why......?
Well confession time. Part of the process was connecting BNC Connector
Aerial neatly glued to Stern post. Guess what? Next day realised I
hadn't connected the Aerial which is by this stage is nicely isolated
between Bottom and middle Fin rib and unreachable.
Fear never wins the heart of anything so.... cut hole in side of Fin,
connect Aerial, make good escape! Inspector jovial on the matter and
happy with 'patch'.
Fin Cap also glued on at this stage so ensure Strobe power line is
available for connection. Pull it through and tie a knot!
My sense of humour is still intact on the matter.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I believe he said 912...
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> The restrictor on the return fuel line is a pin hole.
The 914 manual I have (v2, 1998) doesn't show a restrictor in the return
line! It does however have one in the sight gauge line.
For the 914 the fuel return line must be ....
"a line of low fuel resistance. Maximum pressure loss is 0.1bar.
(1.5psi) between fuel pressure control and tank inlet with both electric
fuel pumps in action. Otherwise the carburetors could flood".
Rotax 914F installation manual 1996 05 10, page 49.
Tony
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