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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 03/28/03 (Paul Atkinson)
2. 01:46 AM - Sleap fly-in 29/3/03 (Ami McFadyean)
3. 01:47 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 03/28/03 (Gerry Holland)
4. 02:15 AM - Re: CS04 tufnol bearings (Ami McFadyean)
5. 02:56 AM - Re: Sleap fly-in 29/3/03 (Mark Burton)
6. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
7. 03:44 AM - Strobes (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
8. 04:11 AM - Centre Console Twin finger brakes - Tri-gear (Richard Holder)
9. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 (david joyce)
10. 07:02 AM - Re: Strobes (R.C.Harrison)
11. 11:00 AM - Re: Strobes (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: Strobes (DvdPar@aol.com)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Stern Post (DvdPar@aol.com)
14. 12:06 PM - Re: Aircraft to get PPL (hedley brown)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 03/28/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Atkinson <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 07:56 , Europa-List Digest Server wrote:
> The whole process
> needs a dummy rum for alignment with a brief check list
Gerry
Make that a double scotch as per the manual.
Cheers
Paul
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| Subject: | Sleap fly-in 29/3/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Anyone in the UK know whether the above is cancelled or postponed 'til
tommorrow? The published 'phone number is permanently engaged, presumably by
others with the same question.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 03/28/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Thanks Paul
Any excuse.....
Gerry
>
> Make that a double scotch as per the manual.
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS04 tufnol bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Don't forget that these bearings expand in service; possibly from the
lubricant used by you, but certainly from moisture uptake. Tufnol quote 3%
expansion in the fully water-saturated condition.
The point being that if they are set up too "carefully" (i.e. with only a
small amount of axial end-play) then they can later go tight.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: CS04 tufnol bearings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Jeremy,
> Details
>
> Top horizontal edge is 102
> Bottom " " 69
> They are vertically centralised i.e. they are mirror about a vertical mid
axis.
> Both above edges are 50.5 mm apart.
> Top holes are 11 down from top horiz edge and 11 from corner of top horiz
and
> adjoining angled side edge
> Bottom holes are 11 up from bottom horiz edge and 4 mm in from corner of
bottom
> horiz and adjoining angled side edge.
> The big hole is in the middle and is irrelevant at this stage. As I recall
the
> issue of where to put the ribs was determined by the holes cut in the
vertical
> face of the thigh support front face.The cutting lines are marked on the
> module. If you then locate your ribs to allow enough space for the cloth
that
> supports the ribs in the vertical layups when the module is in its natural
> orientation, against the inside of the front face of the thigh support ( I
left
> 1/2" ) , well this is where you get washer crowding. The washers are big,
and
> the bottom ones aren't an issue. Neither are the top ones as you can
easily cut
> keyholes for the bolt tails and the nuts and washers after if you have to.
It
> doesn't effect the strength. I have sent a photo to you directly prior to
> answering this. Hope this helps.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
> At 05:29 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> ><jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
> >
> >I'm working on fitting the ribs under my cockpit module and it says to
> >put them where they aren't in the way of the CS04 tufnol bearings'
> >bolts. Unfortunately I don't have my CS04's yet (I think they're on
> >back order). Does anyone out there have one to hand that could let me
> >know the horizontal and vertical separation between the bolt hole
centres?
> >
> >Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Jeremy
> >
> >Jeremy Davey
> >
> >Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sleap fly-in 29/3/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
I have just spoken to Sleap aerodrome (Saturday 10:53 AM) and they
say that the fly-in is still on but nothing is happening at the moment
due to poor conditions.
The SAC phone number is: 01939 232882
Cheers,
Mark
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From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Sleap fly-in 29/3/03
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Anyone in the UK know whether the above is cancelled or postponed 'til
> tommorrow? The published 'phone number is permanently engaged, presumably by
> others with the same question.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I believe he said 912...
Agreed,, but the original enquiry was about a 914. Hence the extraction
from the 914 manual so there would be no confusion in the mind of the
person asking the original question.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
>Just about to glue my top on but before I do. has anyone any info on effect
of srobe on antenna if strobe fitted on fin.. I have bought Airworld
Skyflash???<
I have this combination and it works fine. It is a good idea to use screened
wire between the strobe head and the control box.
>I understand that fitting the strobe on the fin is not recommended due
to
the fact that it can be seen from the cockpit and causes some distraction.<
I have not found it a problem. I can just about see it in my peripheral
vision when I twist around as much as I can to the left. The comment might
be more significant for those who are permitted to fly their Europa at night
but this is not allowed with UK registered kitplanes. If you intend (like
me) to use a single strobe the top of the fin is the logical place as it
is
most easily seen from there.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Centre Console Twin finger brakes - Tri-gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team
I am pleased to say that the PFA have now approved my twin finger brakes
modification, using the original tri-gear master cylinders, built onto a
support structure inside the centre console. The levers are extended by
bolting the tri-gear foot brake lever (with its curved shape) onto the
original "mono' type brake lever. This increases the mechanical advantage -
which IS needed !
For reference the mod number is 10786 and is applied to G-OWWW.
It is all installed, tested. The flight tests are now done, and the
paperwork has passed through the PFA and has arrived at the CAA. I am
assured that it will be processed by Tuesday which means that on Wednesday
when I get the bit of paper it will be free for me to fly.
To give you some idea of the time-delay frustration : the fuselage was
painted on the 2nd Jan and it was all ready by the
he 10th Jan. It has taken until 2nd April to go through all the hoops which
are required. Maybe just a week was lost due to the weather.
I just hope it is all worth while.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, awaiting paperwork
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Cliff and Kevin, I can confirm that the SS braided fuel hose (SS002)
supplied by Europa for the 914, and with 8mm ID is more than adequate. It
produced massive flow rates in the standard test, way more than required and
almost enough to run a 747 on. David
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Shaw <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
>
> Kevin and Craig
>
> The Europa kit "hose" is used with fitting that fit inside the tubing. The
> talking about. Aluminum tubing is nearly .250" ID. ( 3/8 " is bigger
> still )
> You will get lots of gas through Aluminum 1/4 with AN fittings. The ID
will
> have more than twice the aria than what the kit supplies. Stop and think
> about it.
>
> Bigger is better, but how big is too big? Save some weight too.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I think I'm to blame for the panic. Sorry. Don't start ripping
anything
> > out. I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere. Europa supplies
> us
> > with that black tubing(VW circ 1965) which has a 8mm ID. How could 3/8"
> > versatube be inadequate? I don't get it either. Now I'm very confused.
> >
> > craig
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax 914
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
<kevann@gte.net>
> > >
> > > Uh - oh, I have installed 3/8" vesatube (which is 1/4" ID) with -6 AN
> > > fittings for the entire fuel system aft of the firewall. You mean I
have
> > to
> > > rip it all out? I think I'm gonna be sick. I carefully installed the
> tank
> > > outlet to fuel selector lines before the module was bonded in. So does
> > that
> > > mean if I am to use versatube it needs to be 1/2" OD?
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
DeFord
>
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
<davedeford@attbi.com>
> > >
> > > Craig,
> > >
> > > Don't forget that you will also need a return fuel line from the
engine
> > back
> > > to the tank. For the 912S, the supply line is 5/16" and the return
line
> > is
> > > 1/4". If the 914 can also use 1/4" return line, you may not have to
> > remove
> > > what you have already installed. Return flow is greater for the 914
> than
> > it
> > > is for the 912S, however, so the return line may also have to be
larger.
> > >
> > > Dave DeFord
> > > N135TD
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > craig ellison
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:15 PM
> > > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel line requiremnets for Rotax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison"
> > > > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your input. Since I don't have the firewall
> > > > forward kit yet I wasn't sure what the engine needs for fuel
> > > > flow. What I've done will be easy enough to switch over to
> > > > 3/8". BTW is there any word yet on stainless steel fuel
> > > > filler tubes? I still need one when they're available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much for your help.
> > > >
> > > > craig
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Nigel/All/Mike Gregory Club Safety.
I understood that there is a pretty exact definition of the visibility of
nav.lights and strobes.
Like they must be visible from a particular wide range of angle. Whilst the
top of the fin is good I understood that it alone doesn't satisfy these
regs.? ie:- an aircraft climbing from below on the same heading wouldn't
see the fin strobe, this therefore calls for a belly mounted strobe to
"close the circle " .?
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>> I understood that there is a pretty exact definition of the
visibility of
nav.lights and strobes.
There are... but in most countries the definitions would only apply if
you intend flying at night.
If you are adding a strobe as an optional extra for daylight flying then
you are probably free to put them anywhere you want.
Havving said that though, there's a pretty good reason why the
definitions are as you stated.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
THANKS ALL FOR INPUT RE. STROBES --- DECISION MADE
REGARDS DAVE PARK
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
THANKS FOR INPUT RE STERN POST------DECISION MADE
REGARDS DAVE PARK
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft to get PPL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
the biter bit!....h
----- Original Message -----
From: "JW" <xs191@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft to get PPL
> --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@attbi.com>
>
> If you are going to complain about his use of the apostrophe, you could at
least spell
> it correctly. :-|
>
> hedley brown wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown"
<hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
> >
> > it's=it is... can't we get the aposstrphe in its place? It's very
prevalent
> > among europeans.
>
>
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