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1. 02:54 AM - Re: fuel flow (J R \(Bob\) Gowing)
2. 02:57 AM - List Support Site (John Cliff)
3. 03:51 AM - Re: Fuel lines/fuel lines/ (Nick Hammond)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Trailers (Europa Aircraft)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Trailers (DJA727@aol.com)
6. 09:32 AM - Good advice (Fergus Kyle)
7. 09:48 AM - Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... (Matt Dralle)
8. 10:55 AM - Fuel system materials (Bruce Ludeman)
9. 02:37 PM - Re: Trailers (Jeremy Davey)
10. 05:59 PM - Re: CS04 tufnol bearings (Tony Renshaw)
11. 06:52 PM - Re: Trailers (Fergus Kyle)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "J R \(Bob\) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Have any of you experienced types in the northern hemisphere, incl the
glider pilots, looked at the digital instruments available from Asia Pacific
in Oz and compared them with Grand Rapids etc? I have only looked at the
following www.lightflying.com.au
I would be interested to hear comments from those looking into such systems.
JR (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz
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From: "Rob Huntington" <robertodue2002@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel flow
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington
<robertodue2002@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Peter,
> The Grand Rapids EIS does have the ability to use two fuel flow
transducers, thus resulting in "net" fuel flow. They are very attuned to
Rotax 914 and specifically Europa installations, the fuel level probe
supplied by Europa is the identical unit that Grand Rapids sells to
interface with the EIS.
> Rob Huntington
> Phoenix Composites
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | List Support Site |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
Ira Rampil's finished panel (with Blue Mountain EFIS) is now pictured on his
Mods page - se Ira's posting of 25/3/03.
See http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Mods/irarampil.htm
John Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel lines/fuel lines/ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nick Hammond" <Nick.Hammond@saabsystems.com.au>
Bob,
> If you had a big flow you'd finish up heating all the fuel in the tank
I don't think so - the temperature of the fuel in the return line will vary with
the flow (the higher the flow, the lower the temperature as the fuel spends
less time exposed to heat). So although more fuel is re-entering the tank, it's
temperature is lower. Given the geometry of the system it's hard to see tank
heating being other than a negligible consideration.
The restrictor is to ensure the minimimum specified pressure at the engine fuel
pump/carb inlet can be maintained in all attitudes. The required pressure is
a function of the particular engine type. The orifice needs to be small enough
to produce it (with an adequate margin) but still allow enough flow to prevent
vapour lock in the line between the firewall and the inlet in worst case conditions.
These will most likely on the ground with the engine running on a hot
day (minimum fuel flow into the engine as it is idling and minimum air cooling).
Providing the pressure criterion is met the exact size should not be critical.
Best regards,
Nick
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Time: 12:47:23 AM PST US
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel lines/fuel lines/
Hi! Tony /Troy /All interested.
The restrictor in the fuel return line is purely to return a minimal ammount
of hot fuel back to tank. If you had a big flow you'd finish up heating all
the fuel in the tank..... somewhat pointless then having a return to tank
line!????
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 MKI/Jabiru 3300#084
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Thanks for the input. I'll post a picture of the monowheel trailer on the
Europa website sometime after Sun 'n Fun.
Again, I hate to sound like a broken record. I only have time to read a
small portion of what's posted on the newsgroup. If someone has a great
suggestion like this for me, or anything else for me, please send it to ME.
My e-mail is europa@gate.net
Phone number is 863-647-5355.
I always love hearing from our builders, so don't hesitate to call, or
write.
Thanks again for the input.
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
europa@gate.net
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
You've got my vote.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailers
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
<snip>
I'd rather have big color pictures to look at than grainy small b/w ones in
a
xerographed catalog.
Would anyone in the Europa community care to second this suggestion?
Ira N224XS Trigear MG electrical and filling now
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 4/1/2003 6:48:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, europa@gate.net
writes:
> I always love hearing from our builders, so don't hesitate to call, or
> write.
>
> Thanks again for the input.
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
> europa@gate.net
>
>
Hello Group,
Just a general input from a builder and now flyer:
I believe if you are not interacting with John Hurst, Andy and Neville during
the building of your airplane, you are making a mistake. I see questions
asked many time that would be resolved in a matter of seconds by placing a
call to Europa. they have been very helpful to me during the building of my
aircraft and I can't imagine building it without their help. When they say
they love to hear form builders, they are not just parroting a company
required statement, they really mean it. Also, since they are in the business
of making these kits and have all the engineering experience with it, they
should be the first point of contact with a question. 9 times out of 10 they
will have the answer for you right away. These days it is not very expensive
at all to call overseas to get help. I spent many a minute talking to Neville
and Andy in the wee hours of the morning, trying to figure out whether or not
to say "good morning" or "good afternoon"!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
PS - the Mini U2 is now out of the 40 hour test flying required by the FAA
and is in phase 2. My first passenger was my daughter and my second my wife.
A note of interest - my wife is not big on airplanes. She has flown with me
in my Twin Comanche and now in the Europa. She says she finds the Europa more
comfortable than the Twin Comanche and likes it better! THAT is good news!!!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Dave,
Your message about contacting Europa is good advice indeed and
thanks for mailing it. May Mini U2 and family have many wonderful hours in
the sky...........
Ferg
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| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
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| Subject: | Fuel system materials |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Ludeman" <bruce@justbruce.com>
Greetings,
I'm in the midst of placing an order for fuel fittings and
need some advice regarding the appropriate materials. My
concern deals with potential corrosion of dissimilar metals.
I'm wondering if this is an issue that I need to address.
My gascolator, fuel selector, and fuel lines are aluminum.
The fuel drains, as well as the fuel pump fittings are
steel.
1. Should I use aluminum or steel fitting to connect the
aluminum tubing to the steel inlets of the fuel pump and
fuel drains. Does it really matter what choice I make?
2. An appealing solution to mounting the fuel drains
appears to be the use of a brass "90 degree street elbow".
The steel fuel drains would screw into one side of the elbow
and the aluminum fuel line would connect to the other side
of the elbow.
3. Actually, there are a couple of places where the use of
brass fittings may be useful as not every fitting one needs
is available in aluminum. Although combinations of aluminum
fittings can accomplish the desired result, the use of a
single brass fitting would result in the use of fewer parts.
Any comments on the general suitability of these fitting in
my fuel system?
Thanks everyone in advance for sharing your thoughts on this
matter.
Bruce
XS142
Tracy, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I'd just like to concur with Dave's remarks. A work colleague (not a plane
builder) asked me how good the factory support of my endeavour was. I
replied that I couldn't imagine building my plane without it.
Please allow me to offer an example: I rang Neville today with three items I
wanted to discuss:
1) At the weekend I ran out of peel-ply while doing the seat-pan ribs and
had to resort in a hurry to an old England flag left over from the Golden
Jubilee (I know, I know,...). Did I have a problem other than the cloth
being so weak it just tore? Neville talked the possible issues through and
the end result is that after 4 hours of sanding tonight I have no problem.
By the way, whatever you do, do not start a job without having enough peel
ply...
2) I'm thinking of fitting a 2-axis autopilot. The roll servo mounting will
be no problem - I can use the basic design from the Europa Club mod for
fitting a Navaid wing leveller. Had Neville any suggestions on where to
mount the pitch servo and how should it apply its drive? As usual, his
answer was a) eminently sensible, and b) one I had not thought of.
3) I recently got the latest factory Parts and Accessories Catalogue, but to
be honest I'd no idea what half of the goodies on offer were (e.g. what is
the cranked control column Mod 54 about?). I now have all the info I need
and will order my bits a) when I get back from Sun 'n' Fun, and b) when I
work out how much money I have left after a) :-)
That's just a conversation with Neville, but Andy is equally as good. A few
weeks ago they gave me contradicting answers to a question - and it turned
out that they were both right...
Would I criticise them? Yes - they let me yabber on on the phone too much.
So, apologies if I sound like a fully-paid-up member of the Europa Factory
Support Line Fan Club. That's because I am and I make no apologies for it.
Finally, I've in the unfortunate position of having to make a business trip
to Orlando for next week, and flights into Orlando are so hard to come by I
have to fly out this Friday (no kidding, I didn't arrange this, my employers
even asked if I was OK kicking my heels in Florida for the weekend!). I look
forward to meeting some of the US contributors to this excellent Forum 40
miles down the road at Sun 'n' Fun.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>I believe if you are not interacting with John Hurst, Andy and Neville
during
the building of your airplane, you are making a mistake.
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| Subject: | Re: CS04 tufnol bearings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Bob,
Thanks for the info, and I have heeded most of this advice already. I did it in
the last 2 weeks and all went really well, but only because I had "heads up"
info from the forum and realised the importance of getting it right. I also had
Kingsley Hurst with me in week 1 of my holidays, and together we worked on the
initial setup. He basically was very pedantic about this setup and whilst we
didn't do it together, only the initial setup, he set the tone on the
importance of going slowly at this stage and getting it right. This is one of
the most important setups in the whole project I reckon. Thanks again for your
input.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 07:27 AM 3/31/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "J R \(Bob\) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
>
>Dear Tony Renshaw
>
>When setting your tufnol bearings, the distance between the two torque tubes
>at the rear is critical. It did not say "critical" in the manual page 13-6
>of jan 1996, but the distance apart must match exactly the distance apart
>of the connections on the factory made pitch torque tube and that yu will
>will come to soon. Then you will see that there is only tiny tolerance
>between the rivets in the CS07's and the pitch push rods so your riveting of
>the CS07's needs to be correct too. I got my torque tubes about 1/8 inch too
>far apart and did not find out find out until later when installing the push
>rods through their middles. That is when I found out that the rivets in the
>CS07's would touch on the pitch push rods preventing full and clear
>operation. so I had to go back and change the distance and t hen relieve the
>tufnol at the front to line it up again.
>
>Get the distance between the two torque tubes at the rear exactly right the
>first time!
>
>JR (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: CS04 tufnol bearings
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>
>> Jeremy,
>> Details
>>
>> Top horizontal edge is 102
>> Bottom " " 69
>> They are vertically centralised i.e. they are mirror about a vertical mid
>axis.
>> Both above edges are 50.5 mm apart.
>> Top holes are 11 down from top horiz edge and 11 from corner of top horiz
>and
>> adjoining angled side edge
>> Bottom holes are 11 up from bottom horiz edge and 4 mm in from corner of
>bottom
>> horiz and adjoining angled side edge.
>> The big hole is in the middle and is irrelevant at this stage. As I recall
>the
>> issue of where to put the ribs was determined by the holes cut in the
>vertical
>> face of the thigh support front face.The cutting lines are marked on the
>> module. If you then locate your ribs to allow enough space for the cloth
>that
>> supports the ribs in the vertical layups when the module is in its natural
>> orientation, against the inside of the front face of the thigh support ( I
>left
>> 1/2" ) , well this is where you get washer crowding. The washers are big,
>and
>> the bottom ones aren't an issue. Neither are the top ones as you can
>easily cut
>> keyholes for the bolt tails and the nuts and washers after if you have to.
>It
>> doesn't effect the strength. I have sent a photo to you directly prior to
>> answering this. Hope this helps.
>> Reg
>> Tony Renshaw
>> Sydney Australia
>>
>>
>> At 05:29 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
>> ><jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>> >
>> >I'm working on fitting the ribs under my cockpit module and it says to
>> >put them where they aren't in the way of the CS04 tufnol bearings'
>> >bolts. Unfortunately I don't have my CS04's yet (I think they're on
>> >back order). Does anyone out there have one to hand that could let me
>> >know the horizontal and vertical separation between the bolt hole
>centres?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Jeremy
>> >
>> >Jeremy Davey
>> >
>> >Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailers
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> I'd just like to concur with Dave's remarks. A work colleague (not a
plane> builder) asked me how good the factory support of my endeavour was.
I> replied that I couldn't imagine building my plane without it.
Cheers,
I'd like to support both Dave's and Jeremy's remarks regarding
Europa Staff support. I had the distinct privilege of joining the gang at
Oshkosh last summer for the week, helping erect, attend and pack the stand.
It was a pleasure to be associated with this group, from
pre-breakfast to lights out, the days were fairly long and tedious but there
was camaraderie and good fellowship every minute. It is obvious to an
outsider that this gang are dedicated to the Europa and its customers. They
are also well versed in building skills and generous in the experience they
have.
Just to embarrass them further, here's a parting shot:
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