Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:25 AM - Europa Newsgroup (Nick Hammond)
2. 01:30 AM - Re: Europa Newsgroup (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
3. 01:57 AM - Europa Club seminar 17/18 May (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
4. 02:09 AM - Re: Europa Newsgroup (Gerry Holland)
5. 06:11 AM - Europa Newsgroup (Fergus Kyle)
6. 06:21 AM - RF problem (Fergus Kyle)
7. 06:28 AM - RE : Pip-pin wanted (Cripps, David)
8. 06:34 AM - Tufnol bearings (Fergus Kyle)
9. 06:46 AM - Re: Europa Newsgroup (DJA727@aol.com)
10. 06:56 AM - Locking it up (DJA727@aol.com)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: Europa Newsgroup & Europa USA (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Locking it up (R.C.Harrison)
13. 09:29 AM - Re: Locking it up (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
14. 10:11 AM - Re: Locking it up (Rob Housman)
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Locking it up (Europa Aircraft)
16. 10:36 AM - closing the doors (Richard)
17. 12:06 PM - Re: closing the doors (RMRRick@aol.com)
18. 12:06 PM - Re: closing the doors (Terry Seaver)
19. 02:49 PM - Re: closing the doors (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
20. 02:53 PM - Re: Locking it up (Cliff Shaw)
21. 03:08 PM - Re: Locking it up (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
22. 03:22 PM - Re: closing the doors (R.C.Harrison)
23. 09:24 PM - Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Europa Newsgroup |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nick Hammond" <Nick.Hammond@saabsystems.com.au>
John,
John Hurst wrote on 1 April:
> Again, I hate to sound like a broken record. I only have time to read a
> small portion of what's posted on the newsgroup.
I hope I haven't misinterpreted this somehow but I was a bit surprised that a US
company representative "didn't have time" to read what his customers were saying
about his product. I had thought it was you guys who had taught the rest
of us what customer focus was about!
I agree that there is a lot of irrelevant posting and more repetition but, if you
subscribe to the digest service rather than individual messages, you only get
one long-ish message a day. I find it takes no more than a couple of minutes
to skim through this for anything of interest.
Best regards,
Nick
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| Subject: | Europa Newsgroup |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I hope I haven't misinterpreted this somehow but I was a bit
surprised that a US company representative "didn't have time" to read
what his customers were saying about his product.
Unfair!
The US team is small and has to handle direct customer support,
logistics, sales, marketing, major airshow representation, demo flights
and more. I am not surprised that John doesn't have time to browse
messages every day. I am sure that customers with praise, criticism or a
requirement for advice are more than capable of contacting John
directly.
Like a few others, I am surprised that some people bring up issues on
the group without first have a discussion with Europa. The group
provides an excellent collective feedback on build and flying issues but
the definitive source for build information should always be directly
with the manufacturer.
Tony
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Europa Club seminar 17/18 May |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello all,
Just a reminder for anyone planning to attend the Europa club seminar in Camberley,
UK, May 17/18; if you would like to contact me and get your cheque in
the post early please as numbers are limited.
Many thanks,
David Bosomworth
(contact details in the front of the Flyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Newsgroup |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> Unfair!
>
> The US team is small and has to handle direct customer support,
> logistics, sales, marketing, major airshow representation, demo flights
> and more. I am not surprised that John doesn't have time to browse
> messages every day. I am sure that customers with praise, criticism or
> a
> requirement for advice are more than capable of contacting John
> directly.
I'd like to concur with Tony.
John not only looks after USA but in fact gets contacted by non-USA
Customers including me as some the ideas and options for the Europa are
not available in UK.
In recent months he has sourced and supplied items whilst 'in transit'
taking the Europa Demonstrator up to the Arlington WA Show. That
included phone calls and e-mail.
Also thanks to Andy, Neville and others in Kirbymoorside who also
assist greatly.
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Europa Newsgroup |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
"I hope I haven't misinterpreted this somehow but I was a bit surprised that
a US company representative "didn't have time" to read what his customers
were saying about his product. "
I'm afraid I must agree with Tony in his defence of the Europa
group, and John Hurst in particular. If you had seen these fellows toiling
in the sun, handling a dozen critiques an hour and looking after each other,
PLUS taking potential customers for flights and juggling wings around for
the OSH02
period, you would never question their motives. If John Hurst says he can't
monitor the screen for an hour a day, it's because he and the others are on
the go every day - and he can't.
They're a rare bunch - let 'em be.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
">I still need to find out why my Amp. Gauge shows about a 10-12
Amp.>discharge when the Master Switch is thrown and every other circuit is
still>off including the radio's. This is probably unrelated to the RF
problem?
I suspect this is the case. If you have an ammeter that
shows "discharge" I presume your system architecture is
something other than one of those illustrated in
Appendix-Z? Bob . . ."
There is another posssibility while remote can be a cause. If
there is an item in the garage which resonates at the frequency chosen and
which has a diode junction (corrosion), it can re-radiate at a wide range of
frequencies and swamp the spectrum. In a restricted area this could be a
cause. There are several famous precedents for this.
ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cripps, David" <david.cripps@spsystems.com>
Thanks for the info. Ive now actually been offered a redundant pin by a kind member
of this forum which is great!
David
-------- Message d'origine--------
De: Brian Davies
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet: Re: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
David,
Light Aero Spares tel 01409 281578 sell a French equivalent for between 10
and 15.
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cripps, David" <david.cripps@spsystems.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cripps, David"
<david.cripps@spsystems.com>
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> The pins I'm talking about are the ones that go through the top of the
tailplanes, through the torque tube and out the other side. Maybe my
terminology is not correct, but the pins I have (and one of which is broken)
have a ring at the top which pulls on a spring loaded rod than runs up the
centre of the pin, and when either pulled or pushed it allows a couple of
little ball bearings at the pin's tip to retract so that you can then pull
the pin out/push it in. I thought that was a pip pin - I've not heard of a
'permament pin'. Can you tell me more?
>
> By 'upgrading' I mean the process by which some people have changed these
1/4" pins to 5/16" pins and reamed out the holes accordingly - 'oversizing'
you call it.
>
> Also I do understand about the fact that these pins are only intended to
ensure that the tailplanes don't slide off - and that they shouldn't carry
torque as that may dislodge the bush embedded in the tailplanes. Elongating
the holes (circumferentially - not spanwise) in the torque tube helps in
this respect. I understand that torque is only supposed to be transmitted
via the drive pins and plate at the root end of the tailplanes.
>
> I think we're all talking about the same thing - just my terminology may
be incorrect!
>
> Thanks for the comments and for the offers of help from everyone else -
what a great forum this is.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R.C.Harrison [ mailto:ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! David /Ferg.
> I am intrigued about PIP PIN UPGRADING? The Only upgrading I know of is
the
> 1370lb spar 1/2" pins replacing 3/8" pin originals or the oversizing of
> Torque Tube Drive Pins which are permanent pins not "Pip Pins".
> The pip pins holes in the tail plane bush are supposed to be elongated
> radially to ensure they DON'T act as drivers on the inner tail plane bush
> when slop develops between the two tail plane halves.
> Bemused Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> dAVID,
> I have one, because of upgrading. Jenny comes over this week.
> Let me know.
> Ferg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cripps, David" <david.cripps@spsystems.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Pip-pin wanted
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cripps, David"
> <david.cripps@spsystems.com>
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > The spring mechanism in one of my pip-pins for my Europa Classic
tailplane
> came apart when I was trying to pull the pin out. Although I've now got
the
> pin out it is clearly no use and needs replacing. New ones appear to be
> massively expensive (>50GB pounds each).
> >
> > Does anyone who has drilled out their torque tubes to take the new,
> upgraded, larger diameter pip-pins have an old, smaller diameter one to
> spare?
> >
> > Yours hopefully
> >
> > David
> > GBWJH
> >
> >
> > Visit SP at stand J06/L01 at the JEC Composites Show, Paris, 1st-3rd
April
> 2003
> >
> >
>
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> ******************
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> Conditions)
> > of SP Systems (the Company) which are available on request from the
> Company
> > or may be viewed on our Website ( http://www.spsystems.com).
> >
> > Any advice given by the Company in connection with the sale of goods is
> given
> > in good faith but the company only warrants that advice in writing is
> given with
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> Visit SP at stand J06/L01 at the JEC Composites Show, Paris, 1st-3rd April
2003
>
>
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******************
> All sales of goods are subject to the terms and conditions of sale (the
Conditions)
> of SP Systems (the Company) which are available on request from the
Company
> or may be viewed on our Website ( http://www.spsystems.com).
>
> Any advice given by the Company in connection with the sale of goods is
given
> in good faith but the company only warrants that advice in writing is
given with
> reasonable skill and care. All advice is otherwise given subject to the
Conditions.
>
> The contents of this message and any attachments are confidential and
> are intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee only.
> Information contained in this message may be subject to legal,
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Visit SP at stand J06/L01 at the JEC Composites Show, Paris, 1st-3rd April 2003
**********************************************************************************************
All sales of goods are subject to the terms and conditions of sale (the Conditions)
of SP Systems (the Company) which are available on request from the Company
or may be viewed on our Website (http://www.spsystems.com).
Any advice given by the Company in connection with the sale of goods is given
in good faith but the company only warrants that advice in writing is given with
reasonable skill and care. All advice is otherwise given subject to the Conditions.
The contents of this message and any attachments are confidential and
are intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee only.
Information contained in this message may be subject to legal,
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Hello,
There was a lot of email traffic regarding the installation of
the four main control system bearings and subsequent 'stiffening' sveeral
years ago. This is vital to good control.
The main stratagem seemed to be that one should take great care
to ensure that all four are in the same plane, accurately parallel and with
the spacing for control rods as specified. Andy was quite clear about the
precautions called for. So if anyone has questions about these bearings,
they should be cleared up before plunging into the installation.
Happy building,
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Newsgroup |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 4/2/2003 12:26:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Nick.Hammond@saabsystems.com.au writes:
> I hope I haven't misinterpreted this somehow but I was a bit surprised that
> a US company representative "didn't have time" to read what his customers
> were saying about his product. I had thought it was you guys who had taught
> the rest of us what customer focus was about!
>
> I agree that there is a lot of irrelevant posting and more repetition but,
> if you subscribe to the digest service rather than individual messages, you
> only get one long-ish message a day. I find it takes no more than a couple
> of minutes to skim through this for anything of interest.
>
>
A data point:
I went out to fly the long wing Europa prior to flying mine for the first
time. It was a Saturday and I helped John load a customer's rental truck with
his aircraft, plus another's. This was after a long day of flying with me and
doing other things. The customer arrived at about 8PM and I left just before
midnight with John still hard at work. He puts a tremendous amount of time
and effort into his job and does an excellent job. I believe what he was
referring to was being able to read everything at this time during Sun & Fun.
I know if I go more that about 2 or 3 days away from this email, it becomes
almost unmanageable!
Dave
A227
mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello group!
Two things have popped up as the Mini U2 is now operational.
Door lock.
Gas cap lock.
I don't think I need to elaborate! Any ideas or experience from existing
builders?
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Europa Newsgroup & Europa USA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
I just saw this thread, and being the customer being referred to in
Dave's posting below (thanks again for the help Dave!), I must
third/fourth/fifth the kudos and appreciation being bestowed upon John
in Lakeland.
John does not just 'work' at Europa USA, he 'lives' Europa. When I was
in Lakeland picking up my pieces, John's commitment and dedicated level
of service and hospitality was above and beyond what could ever be
expected from a business owner. I have to think it's related to his
passion for aviation and this terrific little plane.
Thanks to John for the great effort!
Cheers,
Pete
A239 Dual-wing.
-----Original Message-----
From: DJA727@aol.com [mailto:DJA727@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Newsgroup
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 4/2/2003 12:26:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Nick.Hammond@saabsystems.com.au writes:
> I hope I haven't misinterpreted this somehow but I was a bit surprised
that
> a US company representative "didn't have time" to read what his
customers
> were saying about his product. I had thought it was you guys who had
taught
> the rest of us what customer focus was about!
>
> I agree that there is a lot of irrelevant posting and more repetition
but,
> if you subscribe to the digest service rather than individual
messages, you
> only get one long-ish message a day. I find it takes no more than a
couple
> of minutes to skim through this for anything of interest.
>
>
A data point:
I went out to fly the long wing Europa prior to flying mine for the
first
time. It was a Saturday and I helped John load a customer's rental truck
with
his aircraft, plus another's. This was after a long day of flying with
me and
doing other things. The customer arrived at about 8PM and I left just
before
midnight with John still hard at work. He puts a tremendous amount of
time
and effort into his job and does an excellent job. I believe what he was
referring to was being able to read everything at this time during Sun &
Fun.
I know if I go more that about 2 or 3 days away from this email, it
becomes
almost unmanageable!
Dave
A227
mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Dave.
I have a door lock which simply engages a jubilee clip fixed on the long
push rod of the door latch could be forced though, I did the same thing for
both doors, I wish I had an internal bolt latch for the passenger side
instead though.
Europa would have exchanged your plain gas cap if you'd asked prior to using
it ... they have a locking cap now available at a price.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DJA727@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Locking it up
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello group!
Two things have popped up as the Mini U2 is now operational.
Door lock.
Gas cap lock.
I don't think I need to elaborate! Any ideas or experience from existing
builders?
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Door lock. Gas cap lock.
>>> I don't think I need to elaborate! Any ideas or experience from
existing
builders?
Europa parts catalog!
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Parts Catalog???? What Parts Catalog?
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Locking it up
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Door lock. Gas cap lock.
>>> I don't think I need to elaborate! Any ideas or experience from
existing
builders?
Europa parts catalog!
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
We do stock these in the Lakeland Office.
Thanks!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DJA727@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Locking it up
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello group!
Two things have popped up as the Mini U2 is now operational.
Door lock.
Gas cap lock.
I don't think I need to elaborate! Any ideas or experience from existing
builders?
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | closing the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Hello the forum.
I have just completed my upholstery and refitted the door rubbers for (I
hope) the final time. I can close the doors from the outside reasonably
easily but can't find a way to close them from the inside without
assistance. I did consider fitting a knob towards the aft end of the door
as an aid to pulling this closed so that I can shoot the bolts. Anyone done
this or any other suggestions to DIY door closing?
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (final inspection complete, now waiting for permit to
test)
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| Subject: | Re: closing the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
I had exactly this problem after moving my door struts as per Tony K's. I
could just close the door but the idea of the rear shot bolt not quite
engaging persuaded me to fit a small pull on the inside of the door. Problem
solved and as part of a specific check - greater safety.
Rick Morris G-RICKS 393 100 hours
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| Subject: | Re: closing the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
We glassed a small 'U' shaped piece of blue foam onto each door to be used as a
finger grip, located on top of the door sill, just below the bottom of the
plexiglass window, about mid-door, fore and aft. the 'U' shaped foam is about 3
inches wide, by about 1 inch high, by about 0.5 inches thick at the base.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Richard wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
>
> Hello the forum.
>
> I have just completed my upholstery and refitted the door rubbers for (I
> hope) the final time. I can close the doors from the outside reasonably
> easily but can't find a way to close them from the inside without
> assistance. I did consider fitting a knob towards the aft end of the door
> as an aid to pulling this closed so that I can shoot the bolts. Anyone done
> this or any other suggestions to DIY door closing?
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (final inspection complete, now waiting for permit to
> test)
>
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| Subject: | closing the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Somewhere deep in my build log is a picture of a couple of wooden door
handles that I fitted to mine and are copied from Kim Prout's aircraft.
Kim kindly took me round to a local hardware store to source them on a
visit several years ago.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Locking it up |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
All
See !!!!! John is reading the Email.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Locking it up
>
> We do stock these in the Lakeland Office.
>
> Thanks!
>
> John
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> See !!!!! John is reading the Email.
Image of Janet and John reading primer flashes across brain.... I must
be getting old!
:-)
Tony
Definitely do not archive !
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| Subject: | closing the doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
You will find that you can't reach any assist handle you put on the door
behind your shoulder.(unless you are a contortionist! The best way to close
the doors is to press DOWN and FORWARD at the same time. When the door is as
snug downwards that you can get it throw the latch home.
Eventually the rubber will leave a mark which will show you where you need
to press the door to for it to be in line to engage the bushes.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
PS I trust you've put the latch guards on ?
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: Europa-List: closing the doors
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Hello the forum.
I have just completed my upholstery and refitted the door rubbers for (I
hope) the final time. I can close the doors from the outside reasonably
easily but can't find a way to close them from the inside without
assistance. I did consider fitting a knob towards the aft end of the door
as an aid to pulling this closed so that I can shoot the bolts. Anyone done
this or any other suggestions to DIY door closing?
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (final inspection complete, now waiting for permit to
test)
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