---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/04/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:47 AM - Integration... (Matt Dralle) 2. 09:55 AM - Re: Integration... (Peter Zutrauen) 3. 10:17 AM - Re: Integration... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 4. 10:26 AM - Re: Integration... (Peter Zutrauen) 5. 02:31 PM - Alternative to the bunge aileron trim (Peter Zutrauen) 6. 03:27 PM - Painting Jigs (Paul McAllister) 7. 03:37 PM - Re: [Fw: Meigs Field petition] (Ed) 8. 05:39 PM - Re: [Fw: Meigs Field petition] (Jim Graham) 9. 05:50 PM - Re: Wing jig? (Peter Zutrauen) 10. 11:31 PM - Re: Wing jig?Re: [Fw: Meigs Field (Ed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:50 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Integration... --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Europa Listers, Rowland Carson graciously mailed me a CDROM with all of the previous Europa Forum archives dating back to July of 1995! Last night I wrote a number of scripts to clean them up and reformat them for compatibility with the Matronics Search Engine, Archive Browser, and Download Site. I'm happy to report that the full set of Europa archives are now online at the Matronics web site! Here are a few URLs of interest: Searching: ---------- http://www.matronics.com/search/ Be sure to select the "Europa" archive in the "Select Archive" pull down. I just did a search using the following criteria: "engine & cowling & inlet" and the server returned 153 hits in 2 seconds from the 30Mb archive! Very speedy! Browsing: --------- http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa This page will give you smallish, 500k chunks of the archive, preformated for easy viewing. Again, they date back to July of 1995. Downloading: ------------ http://www.matronics.com/archives/ (Scroll down to the Europa section) or ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives/ Here you can download the cleaned versions of the full Europa archives in either pure text, UNIX Compress, or .ZIP formats. Respective sizes range from 29.4Mb, 12.3Mb, and 8.4Mb currently. Special thanks to Rowland Carson for keeping all of those messages all these years and for graciously offering to mail me a CDROM with everything on it! Please feel free to access the Europa list archives whenever you like. Also, if you haven't already done so, please give the archive Search Engine a try. I think you will find it extremely useful and extraordinarily responsive. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Integration... From: "Peter Zutrauen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" Terrific! Thanks! But...... minor software bug? Once the search is executed, the top frame for selecting new search criteria no longer lists "Europa" as an archive name in the drop-down.... it goes from "Engines" to "EZ" Oops.... Cheers & thanks again, Pete A239 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle@matronics.com] Subject: Europa-List: Integration... --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Europa Listers, Rowland Carson graciously mailed me a CDROM with all of the previous Europa Forum archives dating back to July of 1995! Last night I wrote a number of scripts to clean them up and reformat them for compatibility with the Matronics Search Engine, Archive Browser, and Download Site. I'm happy to report that the full set of Europa archives are now online at the Matronics web site! Here are a few URLs of interest: Searching: ---------- http://www.matronics.com/search/ Be sure to select the "Europa" archive in the "Select Archive" pull down. I just did a search using the following criteria: "engine & cowling & inlet" and the server returned 153 hits in 2 seconds from the 30Mb archive! Very speedy! Browsing: --------- http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa This page will give you smallish, 500k chunks of the archive, preformated for easy viewing. Again, they date back to July of 1995. Downloading: ------------ http://www.matronics.com/archives/ (Scroll down to the Europa section) or ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives/ Here you can download the cleaned versions of the full Europa archives in either pure text, UNIX Compress, or .ZIP formats. Respective sizes range from 29.4Mb, 12.3Mb, and 8.4Mb currently. Special thanks to Rowland Carson for keeping all of those messages all these years and for graciously offering to mail me a CDROM with everything on it! Please feel free to access the Europa list archives whenever you like. Also, if you haven't already done so, please give the archive Search Engine a try. I think you will find it extremely useful and extraordinarily responsive. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:53 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) "RE: Europa-List: Integration..." (Apr 4, 9:55am) Subject: RE: Europa-List: Integration... --> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Whoops! Fixed! Actually, it would have searched the right archive, the text label was just wrong. Darn that cut-n-paste! :-) Thanks for the heads up. Matt >-------------- >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" > >Terrific! Thanks! > >But...... minor software bug? Once the search is executed, the top >frame for selecting new search criteria no longer lists "Europa" as an >archive name in the drop-down.... it goes from "Engines" to "EZ" > >Oops.... > >Cheers & thanks again, >Pete >A239 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle@matronics.com] >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Integration... > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >Dear Europa Listers, > >Rowland Carson graciously mailed me a CDROM with all of the previous >Europa >Forum archives dating back to July of 1995! Last night I wrote a number >of >scripts to clean them up and reformat them for compatibility with the >Matronics Search Engine, Archive Browser, and Download Site. I'm happy >to >report that the full set of Europa archives are now online at the >Matronics >web site! Here are a few URLs of interest: > > >Searching: >---------- > > http://www.matronics.com/search/ > >Be sure to select the "Europa" archive in the "Select Archive" pull >down. I just did a search using the following criteria: "engine & >cowling >& inlet" and the server returned 153 hits in 2 seconds from the 30Mb >archive! Very speedy! > > >Browsing: >--------- > > http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa > >This page will give you smallish, 500k chunks of the archive, >preformated >for easy viewing. Again, they date back to July of 1995. > > >Downloading: >------------ > > http://www.matronics.com/archives/ (Scroll down to the Europa >section) >or > > ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives/ > >Here you can download the cleaned versions of the full Europa archives >in >either pure text, UNIX Compress, or .ZIP formats. Respective sizes >range >from 29.4Mb, 12.3Mb, and 8.4Mb currently. > > >Special thanks to Rowland Carson for keeping all of those messages all >these years and for graciously offering to mail me a CDROM with >everything >on it! Please feel free to access the Europa list archives whenever you > >like. Also, if you haven't already done so, please give the archive >Search >Engine a try. I think you will find it extremely useful and >extraordinarily responsive. > >Best regards, > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Administrator > > >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 >925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Integration... From: "Peter Zutrauen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" Now that's service! Thanks Matt. You do provide a really slick and solid service to the homebuilder community. Cheers & thanks, Pete A239 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle@matronics.com] Subject: RE: Europa-List: Integration... --> Europa-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Whoops! Fixed! Actually, it would have searched the right archive, the text label was just wrong. Darn that cut-n-paste! :-) Thanks for the heads up. Matt >-------------- >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" > >Terrific! Thanks! > >But...... minor software bug? Once the search is executed, the top >frame for selecting new search criteria no longer lists "Europa" as an >archive name in the drop-down.... it goes from "Engines" to "EZ" > >Oops.... > >Cheers & thanks again, >Pete >A239 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle@matronics.com] >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Integration... > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >Dear Europa Listers, > >Rowland Carson graciously mailed me a CDROM with all of the previous >Europa >Forum archives dating back to July of 1995! Last night I wrote a number >of >scripts to clean them up and reformat them for compatibility with the >Matronics Search Engine, Archive Browser, and Download Site. I'm happy >to >report that the full set of Europa archives are now online at the >Matronics >web site! Here are a few URLs of interest: > > >Searching: >---------- > > http://www.matronics.com/search/ > >Be sure to select the "Europa" archive in the "Select Archive" pull >down. I just did a search using the following criteria: "engine & >cowling >& inlet" and the server returned 153 hits in 2 seconds from the 30Mb >archive! Very speedy! > > >Browsing: >--------- > > http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa > >This page will give you smallish, 500k chunks of the archive, >preformated >for easy viewing. Again, they date back to July of 1995. > > >Downloading: >------------ > > http://www.matronics.com/archives/ (Scroll down to the Europa >section) >or > > ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives/ > >Here you can download the cleaned versions of the full Europa archives >in >either pure text, UNIX Compress, or .ZIP formats. Respective sizes >range >from 29.4Mb, 12.3Mb, and 8.4Mb currently. > > >Special thanks to Rowland Carson for keeping all of those messages all >these years and for graciously offering to mail me a CDROM with >everything >on it! Please feel free to access the Europa list archives whenever you > >like. Also, if you haven't already done so, please give the archive >Search >Engine a try. I think you will find it extremely useful and >extraordinarily responsive. > >Best regards, > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Administrator > > >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 >925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:32 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Alternative to the bunge aileron trim From: "Peter Zutrauen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" While browsing the RAH newsgroup, I saw an interesting posting of a roll-trim concept being used on canard. Designed by Mr. Wright and Mr. Hanka, it utilizes a composite spring in the shape of a circlip, with one end attached to the aileron drive and the other to a servo. As with the bungee idea, there is no need to modify the aileron, but as with the embedded aileron servo, it is still infinitely adjustable with a switch. I found the idea a good compromise, and a keeper. I wonder if there is room in the spar tunnel to hide the servo and spring instead of crowding the footwell? I've attached the jpeg of their design for John to put up on the support site if he so wishes. The original post to RAH claimed no intellectual rights, so posting shouldn't be a problem (the design is quite basic in any case). Cheers, Pete A239 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:37 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Painting Jigs --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi All, I now have all of my flying surfaces ready for painting(at last!!). The painter is asking me to have jigs so he can paint them flat. For those who have gone before could you please share your experiences with me. As always a picture is worth a thousand words so if you have photographs of any jigs please send them to me off net. Thanks, Paul http://europa363.versadev.com/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: [Fwd: Meigs Field petition] From: Ed --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed Have signed it already. I was absolutely appalled by Mayor Daley's vandalism of the airfield after I saw pictures of it on the Luscombe list. I am becoming a bit concered what with a president who gets elected by rigging the votes in CA and the actions of people like Mayor Daley. I hope that this is not the kind of "democracy" intended to be installed in Iraq once the war is over. The FAA knew nothing about the closure, and neither would any pilots who would have had the field as an alternate in case of an emergency!! To my mind this action put peoples lives at risk. Stupid! For those who don't know, the mayor had police vehicles escort diggers to rip the great chunks of the runway out just after the the tower closed at 11pm. In the interests of national security apparently. Ed on 4/4/03 3:31 am, Joseph J. Like at josephlike@cox.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" > >> Looks like the mayor has finally found a way to close Meig's field. Let's >> see if there is some way to stop him again. >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:11 -0000 >> From: "flyinfreak83" >> Subject: Meigs Field petition >> >> Have a look at this. >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/meigs/petition.html > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:48 PM PST US From: Jim Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: [Fwd: Meigs Field petition] --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Graham True enough about the vandalism and irresponsible closure of Meigs Field. I agree with you. But I would suggest you get the facts right--really right--before you talk about "rigging the votes..." no matter which US state you are referring to. The issue you are apparently referring to (Florida) happens to be political rather than legal and there are sooo many who are willing or even anxious slander the outcome even after it has been legally decided. Lay off please. Jim Graham Fairfax Station, VA Ed wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed > > Have signed it already. I was absolutely appalled by Mayor Daley's vandalism > of the airfield after I saw pictures of it on the Luscombe list. I am > becoming a bit concered what with a president who gets elected by rigging > the votes in CA and the actions of people like Mayor Daley. I hope that this > is not the kind of "democracy" intended to be installed in Iraq once the war > is over. > > The FAA knew nothing about the closure, and neither would any pilots who > would have had the field as an alternate in case of an emergency!! To my > mind this action put peoples lives at risk. Stupid! > > For those who don't know, the mayor had police vehicles escort diggers to > rip the great chunks of the runway out just after the the tower closed at > 11pm. In the interests of national security apparently. > > Ed > > on 4/4/03 3:31 am, Joseph J. Like at josephlike@cox.net wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" > > > >> Looks like the mayor has finally found a way to close Meig's field. Let's > >> see if there is some way to stop him again. > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:11 -0000 > >> From: "flyinfreak83" > >> Subject: Meigs Field petition > >> > >> Have a look at this. > >> > >> http://www.petitiononline.com/meigs/petition.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing jig? From: "Peter Zutrauen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" How about that _Europa_ wing jig for Paul? Ed? Jim? ;-) Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Jim Graham [mailto:jlgraham@erols.com] Subject: Re: Europa-List: [Fwd: Meigs Field petition] --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Graham True enough about the vandalism and irresponsible closure of Meigs Field. I agree with you. But I would suggest you get the facts right--really right--before you talk about "rigging the votes..." no matter which US state you are referring to. The issue you are apparently referring to (Florida) happens to be political rather than legal and there are sooo many who are willing or even anxious slander the outcome even after it has been legally decided. Lay off please. Jim Graham Fairfax Station, VA Ed wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed > > Have signed it already. I was absolutely appalled by Mayor Daley's vandalism > of the airfield after I saw pictures of it on the Luscombe list. I am > becoming a bit concered what with a president who gets elected by rigging > the votes in CA and the actions of people like Mayor Daley. I hope that this > is not the kind of "democracy" intended to be installed in Iraq once the war > is over. > > The FAA knew nothing about the closure, and neither would any pilots who > would have had the field as an alternate in case of an emergency!! To my > mind this action put peoples lives at risk. Stupid! > > For those who don't know, the mayor had police vehicles escort diggers to > rip the great chunks of the runway out just after the the tower closed at > 11pm. In the interests of national security apparently. > > Ed > > on 4/4/03 3:31 am, Joseph J. Like at josephlike@cox.net wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" > > > >> Looks like the mayor has finally found a way to close Meig's field. Let's > >> see if there is some way to stop him again. > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:11 -0000 > >> From: "flyinfreak83" > >> Subject: Meigs Field petition > >> > >> Have a look at this. > >> > >> http://www.petitiononline.com/meigs/petition.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing jig?Re: Europa-List: [Fwd: Meigs Field petition] From: Ed --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed Yes I did mean Florida, it was midnight and I was tired. I'll take my comments about the "vote rigging" back for legal reasons!! Anyway on the subject of jigs, we just made up wooden jigs that look very much like the trestles that you can find at any aircraft mantainance shop. I do have pictures but I will have to get them developed. I understand that when the sprayer sprays the wings he will need to have the wings absolutely secure so they cannot move. I believe that you can buy cheap plastic trestles in some DIY shops that might serve the purpose if they are ridgid enough. Ed on 5/4/03 2:50 am, Peter Zutrauen at peterz@zutrasoft.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" > > How about that _Europa_ wing jig for Paul? > > Ed? Jim? ;-) > > Cheers, > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Graham [mailto:jlgraham@erols.com] > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: [Fwd: Meigs Field petition] > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Graham > > True enough about the vandalism and irresponsible closure of Meigs > Field. I > agree with you. > > But I would suggest you get the facts right--really right--before you > talk about > "rigging the votes..." no matter which US state you are referring to. > The issue > you are apparently referring to (Florida) happens to be political rather > than > legal and there are sooo many who are willing or even anxious slander > the > outcome even after it has been legally decided. Lay off please. > Jim Graham > Fairfax Station, VA > > Ed wrote: > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ed >> >> Have signed it already. I was absolutely appalled by Mayor Daley's > vandalism >> of the airfield after I saw pictures of it on the Luscombe list. I am >> becoming a bit concered what with a president who gets elected by > rigging >> the votes in CA and the actions of people like Mayor Daley. I hope > that this >> is not the kind of "democracy" intended to be installed in Iraq once > the war >> is over. >> >> The FAA knew nothing about the closure, and neither would any pilots > who >> would have had the field as an alternate in case of an emergency!! To > my >> mind this action put peoples lives at risk. Stupid! >> >> For those who don't know, the mayor had police vehicles escort diggers > to >> rip the great chunks of the runway out just after the the tower closed > at >> 11pm. In the interests of national security apparently. >> >> Ed >> >> on 4/4/03 3:31 am, Joseph J. Like at josephlike@cox.net wrote: >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" > >>> >>>> Looks like the mayor has finally found a way to close Meig's field. > Let's >>>> see if there is some way to stop him again. >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:11 -0000 >>>> From: "flyinfreak83" >>>> Subject: Meigs Field petition >>>> >>>> Have a look at this. >>>> >>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/meigs/petition.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > >