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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:05 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/12/03 (Graham Singleton)
3. 06:52 AM - Blue Mountain Avionics Response... (Malcolm Thomson)
4. 01:24 PM - Re..anyone home?? (KarkelB@aol.com)
5. 01:41 PM - Re: Re..anyone home?? (Gerry Holland)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Re..anyone home?? (R.C.Harrison)
7. 06:32 PM - Re: Re..anyone home?? (Jeff Roberts)
8. 07:07 PM - Re: Re..anyone home?? (Joseph J. Like)
9. 08:10 PM - Re: Re..anyone home?? (Jeff Roberts)
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| Subject: | Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Dan
I'm not sure but did you cut a small piece off each of the plastic
"clevices"(Forks)?
(or was it off one only ? I can't remember so check it out) It is all so
very close on clearances.
BTW have you done the drag load set up on the friction damper?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJGeldermann
Subject: Europa-List: Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@msn.com>
For those who have gotten past setting up the TP trim system -help. I'm
trying to figure out if I have a problem or 'am just imagining one. I set
up my trim tab bellcrank and Mac servo per the manual. I get slightly more
than the required full up and down motions of both the tailplanes and the
tabs when the servo is set in the mid-position with neutral tabs when the
TPs are level (so far life is good).
My concern is that when I run the servo jack screw full down (tab T.E.s go
down for max up trim) and then try to bring the TP trailing edges to full
up, the servo plastic fork ends and the bellcrank contact the TS05 link rod
and prevent the TPs from going through their full length of up travel. I've
tried clamping the bellcrank and servo higher on the bulkhead, but I've come
to the top of the servo being at the top edge of the bulkhead plywood
insert. I still have the contact of the servo fork/bellcrank with the TS05
when the servo jack screw is full down and the TP gets to about 9 degrees
up.
I've looked at several Europa websites and also noticed some of the
discussion threads on moving the assembly up a few mm, but I haven't seen
anything on the TP travel limits with the trim settings at extremes. Short
of enlarging the top of the slot in the bellcrank bracket so the servo arm
doesn't move the back of the bellcrank down as far during its run I'm not
sure how to deal with this.
Thanks for any inputs,
Dan Geldermann
A-139
Herndon, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/12/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 12/04/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>My concern is that when I run the servo jack screw full down (tab T.E.s go
>down for max up trim) and then try to bring the TP trailing edges to full
>up, the servo plastic fork ends and the bellcrank contact the TS05 link rod
>and prevent the TPs from going through their full length of up travel. I've
>tried clamping the bellcrank and servo higher on the bulkhead, but I've come
>to the top of the servo being at the top edge of the bulkhead plywood
>insert. I still have the contact of the servo fork/bellcrank with the TS05
>when the servo jack screw is full down and the TP gets to about 9 degrees
>up.
Dan,
In the early days we had to shorten the two plastic fork ends by about 3mm,
1/8" to avoid this problem. The brass screwed rod was also shortened and
the forks were butted together end to end. if you are a Classic builder I
guess the mod is still required.
Graham
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain Avionics Response... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Malcolm Thomson" <malcolm@bluemountainavionics.com>
This posting is in response to a number of postings that show that there
is a substantial lack of information and understanding about AHRS
systems and the technology behind them. Comparisons are being made by
individuals who are not qualified to make those comparisons, which is
then misleading others.
Unfortunately for BMA, once a vendor is able to show a computer screen
that can display an electronic ADI working on the bench, there is a
general assumption, by the prospective customer, that the work is
complete. The differences in how these ADIs are implemented is
substantial. On the bench, two $80 electronic spirit levels could supply
enough information to create what looks like a working ADI. In the air
this approach would clearly fail. Experience and technical know how
really pay off when an EFIS system is put through a real series of
flight tests.
Grand Rapids display was nice but it was only a computerized demo,
nothing more than that. There was no AHRS box anywhere to be found at
Sun and Fun! It was nothing more than a self running set of screen shots
not too much unlike a PowerPoint presentation. I think it is
unreasonable for BMA to be compared to the Grand Rapids unit that, at
the present time, is a long way from producing or even showing their
first real working system. Using any variant of Windows for this type of
application simply highlights the fact that the system is not targeted
to serious, IFR flight conditions. To my knowledge, there are no other
EFIS systems based upon any version of Windows for very good reasons. If
we have come across as arrogant, as some have suggested, you have my
apology. It's probably out of frustration when caparisons are made
between apples and oranges.
Dynon has released its version of our EFIS/Lite, however after they
explained how they have implemented their solution and what they have
not implemented, it's clear why they only recommend the unit (see their
own web site) for VFR! Kirk Hammersmith at Lancair is ready to test the
Dynon unit anytime they will provide one. So far they have not.
BMA completed testing of the EFIS/One at Lancair earlier this year (see
Kirk Hammersmith's posting on the Lancair list). This testing put us up
against standards that Lancair uses to test systems costing 3 to 4 times
our price. The EFIS/One had to perform to within a .25 degree for all
maneuvers and never go divergent. In other words, you could recover the
aircraft from unusual attitudes wearing foggles and with only the use of
the ADI display. Seems like a simple and obvious requirement of an ADI
but this is extremely difficult to achieve.
In the end, time will tell with the Dynon and Grand Rapids units when
they have flight test data from real customers on production units. I'm
sure Lancair can help them create a better product, just as they did
BMA.
On a different subject, BMA's warranty is incorrectly stated as being US
only. It is a worldwide, 1 year warranty.
General Manager
Malcolm Thomson
Blue Mountain Avionics.
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| Subject: | Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
...hi folks,
...the forum has been ultra quiet this weekend is everyone
flying/building or is it down??
karim.
# 420
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| Subject: | Re: Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Working! Glueing in Front Screen and finishing Fuselage wiring.
It has been quiet.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Karim I'm here!
Don't think the system's down !
Last Monday I collected a friend from Cark (Grange over Sands) had lunch
with his friend at Oban(North Conel) and back to Wickenby total 5 hours 25
mins. but no e-mails on board !!!!!!Testing my oil cooler selection valve
modufication, didn't need the cooler for the whole journey!
Unfortunately Dave Watts wake up call for Paris came too late but "vis" here
today and yesterday was crap ! Contentedly fixing a new RT Antenae. I've
finally got sick of the copper tape job...decided there's an engine shadow
....can't do without the donkey so something's got to give.
Copper tape's cheaper but you pay's your money and gets crap reception when
flying towards the ground station so here goes!
Haven't liked the local news around here lately ....two Cessna Twins pranged
two dead and two injured, both total burn outs, sharpens the mind .
The forum should soon start buzzing probably due to Sun and Fun mob
otherwise engaged!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (at home for a change!)
BTW did you complete the Tail Plane torque tube yet !!!!!?????
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
KarkelB@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re..anyone home??
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
...hi folks,
...the forum has been ultra quiet this weekend is everyone
flying/building or is it down??
karim.
# 420
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| Subject: | Re: Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 4/13/03 3:42 PM, Gerry Holland at gnholland@onetel.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Working! Glueing in Front Screen and finishing Fuselage wiring.
> It has been quiet.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
> +44 7808 402404
> Europa XS 384
> G-FIZY
>
> The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
I have spent the weekend doing everything I can to the fuselage before I
bond on the top. I am putting in the antennas, the luggage bay and bulkhead
are in, the trim tabs are working properly, its on its wheels, the fuel
lines are run, I put a visual gauge between the seats like the demonstrator,
except I put it in a tube to protect it more. I would like to hear any
suggestions on other things that can be done easier now than after the tops
on. Also, is there anyone else out there now flying in the states with a
Jabiru & tri gear yet?
Thanks,
Jeff
Tri A258
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| Subject: | Re: Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
Jeff,
I'm building a mono with a jabiru 3300 down at flight crafters in
tampa. I plan on installing the Engine my next trip down, last two
weeks in May.
Joseph J. Like
A086
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| Subject: | Re: Re..anyone home?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 4/13/03 9:08 PM, Joseph J. Like at josephlike@cox.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <josephlike@cox.net>
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> Jeff,
> I'm building a mono with a jabiru 3300 down at flight crafters in
> tampa. I plan on installing the Engine my next trip down, last two
> weeks in May.
>
> Joseph J. Like
> A086
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Joseph,
Let me know how your install goes on the Jabiru. Also what prop you're going
to use. You can e-mail me dirrect if you like.
Thanks,
Jeff
a258
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