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1. 02:25 AM - Re: warpdrive blade chord (KarkelB@aol.com)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Water Wings? (Richard)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: warpdrive blade chord (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: was Water Wings/now trailer (R.C.Harrison)
5. 09:56 AM - closed trailer [was Water Wings?] (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
6. 02:34 PM - (Kevin Taylor)
7. 04:23 PM - Re: (Jeremy Davey)
8. 06:01 PM - Re: Water Wings?/now trailer (Kingsley Hurst)
9. 11:22 PM - Nanny States! (Gerry Holland)
10. 11:40 PM - Re: Nanny States! (Paul Boulet)
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| Subject: | Re: warpdrive blade chord |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Hi Folks,
can someone please let me know what the width(chord) of the of
a warpdrive blade is at it widest point .I mean for the 912s/914 widechord.
Out of interest i'm doing some profile calculations.
regards Karim.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Kingsley,
I did consider a closed trailer but was concerned about the windage and
possible problems I might encounter towing in a strong sidewind.
Have you found this a problem at all?
Richard I.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water Wings?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> No better solution that I know of.
>
> Just to emphasise this is a very real problem. The water gets in the wing
> and ends up in the leading edge. From here it is difficult to get it
out.......
For those contemplating building or obtaining a trailer, I think this recent
thread highlights just one of the advantages of a closed in trailer.
As well as providing protection from water ingress, a good closed in trailer
also provides protection from :-
(a) Sun as well as rain
(b) Stone damage from passing vehicles
(c) Dust ingress
(d) More protection in the event of a vehicular accident
(e) Considerable roll over protection
(f) Wind gusts from passing trucks
(g) Hail damage
(h) Better security (if lockable)
In my case, it will also be used as the permanent storage location for the
aircraft.
They also make excellent furniture removal vans!
Just my thoughts
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: warpdrive blade chord |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
93 mm
Kevin
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KarkelB@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: warpdrive blade chord
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Hi Folks,
can someone please let me know what the width(chord) of the of
a warpdrive blade is at it widest point .I mean for the 912s/914 widechord.
Out of interest i'm doing some profile calculations.
regards Karim.
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| Subject: | Europa-List:was Water Wings/now trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Richard.
No problem towing my trailer but it's heavy. It is rigged also to take a
mono or trike.
See it at http://www.crix.org.uk
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Water Wings?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Kingsley,
I did consider a closed trailer but was concerned about the windage and
possible problems I might encounter towing in a strong sidewind.
Have you found this a problem at all?
Richard I.
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| Subject: | closed trailer [was Water Wings?] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 12:17 +0100 on 15-04-03, Richard wrote:
>I did consider a closed trailer but was concerned about the windage and
>possible problems I might encounter towing in a strong sidewind.
>
>Have you found this a problem at all
Richard - I towed my closed trailer from Gloucestershire to Yorkshire
to pick up my stage 2 & 3 kits. That was just over 230 miles each
way, mostly on motorway & dual-carriageway. I had put old carpets and
other packing stuff in the nose for the outbound journey, but still
found that it was a bit twitchy at the legal limit of 60mph - passing
lorries tended to suck out the back end and start a tendency to
snake. In the interests of safety I did not exceed 55mph and found it
was fine at that speed. On the way back, (although the fuselage &
wings do not seem to weigh that much when you're loading them) things
felt much more stable and I could cruise at 60mph comfortably
(gradients permitting).
My trailer was made by Roger Huttlestone of Northwick Manufacturing
near Moreton-in-Marsh (01386 700709) for a monowheel Europa, with OMO
rigging gear. It's a steel ladder chassis with a glass-fibre
(polyester resin) "covered wagon" top (composite D-section hoops,
laid-up sheet wrapped over). It is about 8.5m from hitch to tailgate,
with the single axle about 5.8m back from the hitch.
I have found it very helpful as a store for parts I'm not working on,
and the plan is that it will be the hangar when the aeroplane is
finished.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Heres what happens when mindless thugs get a change to trash planes at a
Airfield. This happened last night at Redlands! One was my mates CT.
Damage is over 250,000 at least!
http://www.theflyingschool.co.uk/damage/redhill.htm
Kevin
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I hope they catch the b******s. Please keep us informed.
Makes me wish I had done a citizens' arrest on the little thug I caught
yesterday about to carve his name in the window of a busy tube train. Sheer
mindless behaviour.
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Taylor
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Heres what happens when mindless thugs get a change to trash planes at a
Airfield. This happened last night at Redlands! One was my mates CT.
Damage is over 250,000 at least!
http://www.theflyingschool.co.uk/damage/redhill.htm
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Water Wings?/now trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Richard I. wrote:-
> I did consider a closed trailer but was concerned about the windage and
> possible problems I might encounter towing in a strong sidewind.
>
> Have you found this a problem at all?
Richard,
I don't live in an area where high winds are common so am unable to directly
comment on your question. However, the stability of trailers is dependent
on many factors so I will just list some of the principles I have employed.
(a) Keep the side area as small as possible by making the sides as low as
possible.
(b) Side areas ahead of and behind the wheels are much the same. Side
elevation is of rectangular shape.
(c) Four wheel load sharing suspension
(d) 50kg to 60kg load on the tow ball
Of course, the type of towing vehicle has a big influence on towing
characteristics with this sort of trailer (inc glider trailers)
I also think you will find that if wind causes a closed in trailer to be
unstable, the trouble would not be in the wind so much as it would be the
inherent instability of the trailer. The wind would become a trigger just
like running off the edge of the road or swerving would be. Having said
that, I would expect strong gusty cross winds to buffet the trailer to the
extent that you would certainly feel it but I don't see why it should cause
a big problem. Then again, I suppose it depends on the definition of strong
winds too!!
Feel free to contact me off list if you should so desire.
Cheers
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
In the bloody 'Nanny State' we live, Tony's paradise for yobism! Until
the punishment fits the crime, any crime, this is going to get worse.
When it goes to Court, that's if anyone ever finds the bastards, the
Punishment is likely to be:
100 Hours Community Service which will probably consist of 'LEARNING TO
FLY at Tax payers expense or
an all expenses Holiday! It goes on! The libertarian minority will
focus on the miscreants disadvantaged life and lack of opportunity.
REALLY!!!!
In these days of 'body adornment', Tattoos, Body piercing etc, perhaps
a more barbaric approach is required.
A Tattoo across the perpetrators brow with the words' I'M A THIEVING
BASTARD or I COMMIT CRIMINAL DAMAGE! as a part of the judicial process.
It's funny how Governments can spend billions on removing tyranical
regimes that limit human rights supposedly but cant take the concept
that living in a society where your home and possessions are plundered
and damaged by those who have no concept or adherence to common decency
let alone Human rights is an invasion of our Human rights too. Looting
is no different to the burglary, theft and damage here in UK or
Yesterday at Redhill!
Perhaps 'hang them up for a few hours on the Lip and Eye Brow Rings
they all love so much. I'm sorry but this sort of wanton, criminal
behaviour needs a radical and violent response. If you have been robbed
or had your home violated then you may have some agreement with my more
strident attitude.
I'm fortunate that help to retrieve MY goods stolen and to 'adjust' the
thinking of the thieving Bastard who took them was done within a close
circle of Neighbours and Friends and without wasting the Tax payers
money. There was a later cost for his Hospital treatment.
I feel better now but my sympathies are with those who have lost
enjoyment opportunities this Summer due to the 'write off' of these
hard worked for Aircraft.
I'll get back to polishing and cleaning my AK47....... Come the
revolution.......
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: Nanny States! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Gerry I had hoped it was better in UK than here in the US. Myself I always thought
putting these criminals in stocks for a few days and nights worked wonders.
A couple of photos in various newspapers... run them outta town... civil rights
be damned when they tromp so wantonly on the rights of others. Anyway I
could go on and on but don't believe this forum is the place for it. My apologies
to the forum for spouting off but I couldnt' keep quiet any longer. Paul
Boulet, N914PB Do not archive
Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> wrote:--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry
Holland
In the bloody 'Nanny State' we live, Tony's paradise for yobism! Until
the punishment fits the crime, any crime, this is going to get worse.
When it goes to Court, that's if anyone ever finds the bastards, the
Punishment is likely to be:
100 Hours Community Service which will probably consist of 'LEARNING TO
FLY at Tax payers expense or
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