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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Over head lighting (Gerry Holland)
2. 12:32 AM - Re: Over head lighting - addendum (Gerry Holland)
3. 01:37 AM - Re: Over head lighting (Gerry Holland)
4. 02:24 AM - Re: Over head lighting (R.C.Harrison)
5. 03:24 AM - List Support Site (John Cliff)
6. 03:25 AM - Fw: Over head lighting (Gerry Holland)
7. 05:23 AM - Re: 914 fuel restrictor info (Jim Brown)
8. 05:59 AM - Re: Over head lighting (ScramIt@aol.com)
9. 06:03 AM - Re: 914 fuel restrictor info (Jim Brown)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: 914 fuel restrictor info (Jim Brown)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: Over head lighting (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
12. 12:57 PM - caveat emptor? (Richard)
13. 02:21 PM - Re: caveat emptor? (Gerry Holland)
14. 03:47 PM - Overhead lighting (DvdPar@aol.com)
15. 03:54 PM - Re: Overhead lighting (Paul McAllister)
16. 03:57 PM - Overhead lighting (DvdPar@aol.com)
17. 04:13 PM - Re: Over head lighting (Robert Berube)
18. 07:44 PM - Re: 914 fuel restrictor info (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul Hi!
> I have just finished re making the ceiling panel and I want to put in
> some over head lighting. I was wondering what others have done. I
> would like to use an existing fitting of some kind rather than having
> to manufacture something myself. LED's would be nice as well.
There is a 'thread' on this from a few months back.
I fitted to the rear of Ceiling panel (behind shoulder line) a small
black anodised 3 X LED Spotlight that shines forward to illuminate
'lap' and Panel area. I got it from Chief Aircraft, about $50. I
believe the company concerned is now bust! Can send photo to add to
your frustration!
Wicks have a Cockpit 'eyeball' Light on Page 139 of 2003 Catalogue,
weighs 1/2 oz and consumes 1.12 watts. Part No: MOD-1
Another option for new kit is somewhere like a Car accessory Supplier,
J C Whitney. On a another 'tack', they also do neat Air Con
Units.......... forget it!!
Even more fun is a Car Scrap yard (wreckers Yard) where a lot of more
recent cars have 'zoned' Courtesy down lighters which could be adapted.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting - addendum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul forgot!
In CompUSA and other Computer Stores it's worth looking at USB LED
Laptop type Keyboard lights. You see them on Aircraft sometimes when
the 'geeks' decide to program through the night when the more hardened
traveller just wants to sleep off the journey.
They are 5V operation but can be 'dropped' and you can get the USB
socket from RS Components, Allied Electronics etc. The LED is in a
range of colours and the light is at the end of a neat flexible
stalk/stem about 12' long.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul Hi!
I'm determined you'll have an interior spotlight!!!
Follow this link:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=165787&BQ=jcw2
or
http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=5308&BQ=jcw2
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All
I'm intrigued where you guys are going to be flying in the dark?
I know the UK weather can be damn gloomy in Winter but I'd have thought you
would have more weight conscious priorities? I've never needed a light in
the 300 hours I've flown in mine and it would be bloody uncomfortable to
overnight in it?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Over head lighting
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
I have at last posted the diagram of a roll trim servo connection idea, referred
to in Peter Zutrauen's posting of April 4th.
See http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Mods/trimspring.htm
New readers start at www.crix.org.uk
John Cliff
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| Subject: | Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Bob Hi!
Paul is in USA and I guess can and will go IFR.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Re: 914 fuel restrictor info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Dave;
Take the advice of the manufacture who makes the 914.. DO NOT put a restrictor
in the return line.
Jim Brown
DJA727@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> I have to ask this - I see in the manual for the 914 engine that there should
> be NO restriction in the return flow line to the tank. Did I miss something?
> My engine has no restriction at all, with a 3/8 inch aluminum line all the
> way back. There is a specific warning about all this. Should there be a
> restriction? I do see over 30 gallons per hour flowing in the race track with
> the engine shut down and the fuel pump on.
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
I'm going to be using the "geek" lights I have two units one red and one
blue. I posted questions about wiring on aeroelectric-list and was told it
would never work.... It works fine.
Old Post:
Just an update, I had to upgrade some software so while I was ordering I
added two flylights to the order, (15.95 Mac connection) one red and one
blue. They are nicely made and have aluminum ends with plastic lenses over
the LED. I wired up some USB ports and a 5 volt power supply and shazam
little movable lights. Their going to look great in the center overhead
support on my Europa. A couple modified fuse holders and the shafts snap up,
out of the way, in their little recess I'm making in the overhead.
Is a USB plug the number one choice for this application? Probably not. But
with at least three different manufactures of different types of USB lights.
I think off the shelf, plug and play is the way to go.
http://www.kensington.com/html/1176.html
SteveD
P.S. Small fans are now available also. : )
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| Subject: | Re: 914 fuel restrictor info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Fred;
With regards to the fuel pressure questions, I monitor my fuel pressure after the
fuel has flowed through the fuel pressure regulator on the airbox with an
additional banjo fitting to which I have attached the line to the fuel pressure
sender.
At sea level the fuel pressure reads about 1.2 PSI and through about 6.000 feet
the PSI will vary from 1.2 -1.7 PSI.
At 10.000 to 14.000 feet I usually see about 2.5 to 2.9 PSI
At 17.000 I normally see about 3.5 PSI.
These figures are averaged, as they change slightly on each flight. As far as
full boost pressures, I will have to get back with you. I have an EIS installed
and the fuel pressure is not on the page I use for takeoff.
Jim Brown
N398JB
Fred Fillinger wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
>
> Michael Parkin wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > As they say 'Allo Allo'. "Please listen I shall say this only once - there
> > is NO restrictor in the return fuel line on a Europa/Rotax 914 installation"
>
> We get that on cable in this small part of the States! The show's a
> riot, say-only-once Michelle is cool, and interestingly self-bashes
> Brits more than the French. Like "South Park" here with British reserve.
>
> Anyway, due to variability of absolute fuel pressure, I did a circuit on
> "breadboard" that differentially measures fuel pressure (rheostat type
> sender) verses airbox pressure (electronic sensor, automotive part for
> turbo cars). It lights one of a strip of green, yellow, and red LEDs,
> with flashing reds and aural alarm. It works great, but most breadboard
> kludge ideas do initially. :-)
>
> Before I commit to printed circuit board and deal with temp
> stabilization issues in final components, how does a simple fuel
> pressure gauge behave on the the 914? From the data in Rotax docs, for
> most ranges of operation, the reading should be usable. In full boost,
> does the needle go a little wild? What happens at high altitudes?
>
> Best,
> Fred F.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 fuel restrictor info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Fred;
In regards to to fuel pressure at full boost. On takeoff at full boost the fuel
pressure was 1.7 PSI and no fluctuations
Jim Brown
Jim Brown wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Fred;
>
> With regards to the fuel pressure questions, I monitor my fuel pressure after
the
> fuel has flowed through the fuel pressure regulator on the airbox with an
> additional banjo fitting to which I have attached the line to the fuel pressure
> sender.
>
> At sea level the fuel pressure reads about 1.2 PSI and through about 6.000 feet
> the PSI will vary from 1.2 -1.7 PSI.
>
> At 10.000 to 14.000 feet I usually see about 2.5 to 2.9 PSI
>
> At 17.000 I normally see about 3.5 PSI.
>
> These figures are averaged, as they change slightly on each flight. As far as
> full boost pressures, I will have to get back with you. I have an EIS installed
> and the fuel pressure is not on the page I use for takeoff.
>
> Jim Brown
> N398JB
>
> Fred Fillinger wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
> >
> > Michael Parkin wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > As they say 'Allo Allo'. "Please listen I shall say this only once - there
> > > is NO restrictor in the return fuel line on a Europa/Rotax 914 installation"
> >
> > We get that on cable in this small part of the States! The show's a
> > riot, say-only-once Michelle is cool, and interestingly self-bashes
> > Brits more than the French. Like "South Park" here with British reserve.
> >
> > Anyway, due to variability of absolute fuel pressure, I did a circuit on
> > "breadboard" that differentially measures fuel pressure (rheostat type
> > sender) verses airbox pressure (electronic sensor, automotive part for
> > turbo cars). It lights one of a strip of green, yellow, and red LEDs,
> > with flashing reds and aural alarm. It works great, but most breadboard
> > kludge ideas do initially. :-)
> >
> > Before I commit to printed circuit board and deal with temp
> > stabilization issues in final components, how does a simple fuel
> > pressure gauge behave on the the 914? From the data in Rotax docs, for
> > most ranges of operation, the reading should be usable. In full boost,
> > does the needle go a little wild? What happens at high altitudes?
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred F.
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
I definately want cabin lights in my Europa as I anticipate pre-dawn
departures and twilight arrivals to be routine flight operations for me when
the time comes.
Bob Berube has a nice lighting setup in his Europa. I failed to ask him where
he got it. Bob?
Another builder at Flight Crafters used the overhead console out of a Chevy
Blazer. It sports lights, sunglasses holder, and he even plumbed a couple of
eyeball vents into it off a tail mounted NACA scoop. The size looks like it
was made for the Europa.
The lights Licoln uses in their late model Towncar would really work well. It
combines two very bright independent spot lights and dome light, all locally
switched at the light and it is low profile. It appears to be lighter than
the "aircraft style" lights available from J C Whitney. If you can find one
of these in a wrecked Towncar it would be a sweet addition to a Europa.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
a) I have been having a problem with one of my Dave Clark copy headsets. I
noticed a lot of noise and the reception breaks off when I wiggle the Mic
cable at the plug end. I attempted to dismantle the mic plug and found it
filled with a silicon like substance so I just about had to destroy it to
gain access to the wires. I have bought some (very expensive!) plugs to
replace the originals but am not sure now which wire goes where. I also
have what appears to be a dead short from one of the wires to the ground
although I don't appear to have this on my other headset. Can anyone help
or point me to a web site where I can sort out how to rewire the headset
plug?
b). Thinking I had better get something better, I bought a second hand
original Dave Clark headset through Ebay. I have just plugged it in and
switched on the radio and found that there is a constant hiss in the
headphones, like a swarm of bees. This becomes louder as I turn up the
headset volume but remains constant when I increase the radio volume. Have
I bought a dud or might I get rid of this if I try to adjust the sidetone /
mic gain again?
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS (Still waiting for permit to fly and, horror of
horrors had to spend Easter decorating the lounge having run out of excuses
not to!)
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| Subject: | Re: caveat emptor? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Richard Hi!
Try:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
or
http://www.rst-engr.com follow link to support
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
mailto://gnholland@onetel.com
+44 7808 402404
Europa XS 384
G-FIZY
The greatest enjoyment from existence is living dangerously....
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Subject: | Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Europa is Day/VFR only, and rightly so. I would not fly at night any less
than two engines. You are very brave pilots.
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Europa is Day/VFR only, and rightly so. I would not fly at night any
less
> than two engines.
>
The accident statistics would suggest otherwise. Take a look at the NSTB
web site and compare the accident rates between light twins and single
engine aircraft, it makes very interesting reading.
Paul
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| Subject: | Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
Is that at night Paul?
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| Subject: | Re: Over head lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
I used 2 miniture eyeball cockpit lights P/N 11-07800 @ $13.95 each thru
Aircraft Spruce. They are small single white LED's positioned in the
overhead. Just enough to faintly light the instrument panel or can be used
for chart work. I backed these up with a small articulating light holding 4
red LED's. This used to be available thru Aircraft Spruce but is no longer
carried.
Bob Berube A166 conventional
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Over head lighting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> I definately want cabin lights in my Europa as I anticipate pre-dawn
> departures and twilight arrivals to be routine flight operations for me
when
> the time comes.
>
> Bob Berube has a nice lighting setup in his Europa. I failed to ask him
where
> he got it. Bob?
>
> Another builder at Flight Crafters used the overhead console out of a
Chevy
> Blazer. It sports lights, sunglasses holder, and he even plumbed a couple
of
> eyeball vents into it off a tail mounted NACA scoop. The size looks like
it
> was made for the Europa.
>
> The lights Licoln uses in their late model Towncar would really work well.
It
> combines two very bright independent spot lights and dome light, all
locally
> switched at the light and it is low profile. It appears to be lighter than
> the "aircraft style" lights available from J C Whitney. If you can find
one
> of these in a wrecked Towncar it would be a sweet addition to a Europa.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 fuel restrictor info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
> Fred;
>
> In regards to to fuel pressure at full boost. On takeoff at full boost
> the fuel pressure was 1.7 PSI and no fluctuations.
>
>> At sea level the fuel pressure reads about 1.2 PSI and through about
>> 6.000 feet the PSI will vary from 1.2 -1.7 PSI.
>>
>>At 10.000 to 14.000 feet I usually see about 2.5 to 2.9 PSI
>>
>>At 17.000 I normally see about 3.5 PSI.
>>Jim Brown
>>N398JB
That all very intriguing. What kind of fuel pressure instrument?
Direct reading or electric? For direct reading, it sounds as though the
instrument is not sealed, thus the Bourdon tube inside is exposed to
cabin pressure. Similar as to a remote sender, if it's not sealed. But
boost showing only 1.7 psi has me stumped. There should be 4.1 psi in
the airbox (relative to 29.92), and thus in the float bowls also.
Something greater is needed for fuel flow, or so I thought. Maybe the
answer is in why your not seeing around 3.6 psi nominal per book near
sea level? Though obviously flies just fine.
Best,
Fred F.
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