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1. 04:14 AM - Re: 914 fuel restrictor info (KarkelB@aol.com)
2. 07:28 AM - Anybody know the equivalent of TLPD424BS (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
3. 10:39 AM - Re: Overhead lighting (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
4. 11:02 AM - Re: Overhead lighting (Jeremy Davey)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Overhead lighting (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 12:00 PM - OBAM night flying VFR (Fergus Kyle)
7. 12:46 PM - Re: OBAM night flying VFR (Jeremy Davey)
8. 01:21 PM - Re: Overhead lighting (Jeremy Davey)
9. 01:45 PM - Stade Fly In, June 14-15, 2003 (in English) (Eupa91@aol.com)
10. 01:46 PM - Stade Fly In June, 14-15, 2003 (in German) (Eupa91@aol.com)
11. 04:20 PM - Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings (Tony Renshaw)
12. 05:29 PM - Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
13. 06:24 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Fergus Kyle)
14. 06:39 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Re: 914 fuel restrictor info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
....okay folks, some things are best left the way they are.
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| Subject: | Anybody know the equivalent of TLPD424BS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
Does anybody know the Cherry Rivet equivalent of the Europa supplied
TLPD424BS rivets? I've come up a few short whilst making my pitch push rod.
It seems kind of silly to order a handful of rivets from Europa since the
shipping will undoubtedly be more than the rivets. I was about to make an
Aircraft Spruce order of some other stuff, but I've not been able to find an
exact match.
Thanks!
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I don't see the problem that many people have with nighttime flying. I much
prefer it to some daytime stuff I've had to deal with. There are very few
people/aircraft to contend with, those that are up there can be seen 50 miles
away, the air is usually silky smooth, and you have all the ground resources
at your disposal without the chatter or waiting. I can see that if you fly
places where there are not ground lights at all (deserts and farm areas) then
you would have to be up on your pilotage skills but you should be up on them
anyway.
When I fly at night from Redding (Northern California) to the San Francisco
Bay Area, I do so mostly using Mexican IFR.....I Follow Roads (Interstate 5),
I Follow Rivers, and I Follow Ravines. I go from empty rural farm areas to
some of the busiest areas in California. Now I also monitor VOR's and use
flight following....but these are backups. My wife usually sleeps during
these flights as she has gotten used to the spectacular display of lights as
we approach the Big City.
Now, since nighttime VFR is prohibited in the UK, could it be that many
pilots there are not comfortable because it's not done enough or it's just
too much of a hassle to file IFR flight plans in order to fly at night?
The only worry I have during a night flight would be having to put down in an
emergency. But then I feel that equates to flying day or night over water. I
try to keep things in perspective.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Just a detail point on UK flying... Night VFR is legal in the UK - it's just
that PFA Permit aircraft (like Europas) are not currently allowed that
privilege - certified types only, in other words.
The same applies to IMC.
There have been rumours of the CAA considering allowing the PFA to recommend
aircraft for Permits which include night and/or IMC privileges. There's no
legal restriction to prevent this in the Air Navigation Order, it's just
that it hasn't been allowed for homebuilts to date.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I don't see the problem that many people have with nighttime flying. I much
prefer it to some daytime stuff I've had to deal with. There are very few
people/aircraft to contend with, those that are up there can be seen 50
miles
away, the air is usually silky smooth, and you have all the ground resources
at your disposal without the chatter or waiting. I can see that if you fly
places where there are not ground lights at all (deserts and farm areas)
then
you would have to be up on your pilotage skills but you should be up on them
anyway.
When I fly at night from Redding (Northern California) to the San Francisco
Bay Area, I do so mostly using Mexican IFR.....I Follow Roads (Interstate
5),
I Follow Rivers, and I Follow Ravines. I go from empty rural farm areas to
some of the busiest areas in California. Now I also monitor VOR's and use
flight following....but these are backups. My wife usually sleeps during
these flights as she has gotten used to the spectacular display of lights as
we approach the Big City.
Now, since nighttime VFR is prohibited in the UK, could it be that many
pilots there are not comfortable because it's not done enough or it's just
too much of a hassle to file IFR flight plans in order to fly at night?
The only worry I have during a night flight would be having to put down in
an
emergency. But then I feel that equates to flying day or night over water. I
try to keep things in perspective.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Thank you for the correction to my misinformation. I think that this would be
a privilege that is worth fighting for. My conspiracy theory mind makes me
think that production plane people had a hand in this restriction to keep
people in their aircraft. But that's the way I think.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | OBAM night flying VFR |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Jeremy,
"Just a detail point on UK flying... Night VFR is legal in the
UK - it's just that PFA Permit aircraft (like Europas) are not currently
allowed that privilege - certified types only, in other words."
I think Duane wqas referring to Europa aircraft, so "Night VFR
is illegal in the UK in Europas.
I'm still a bit hazy on phraseology so not sure of this, but I
don't think Air Force aircraft are 'certified'. In that case, I've spent
many a pleasant hour at night stooging around, simulating behind-the-lines
parachute delivery, both men and supplies, both lowlevel (150ft AGL) and
HiLo (high level release, low level opening) - all on one engine (PW R1340)
in an Otter. Much the finest recreational touring possible. In 8 years, not
a grumble, hiccough or glitch, except 2 generator failures - and even then,
shut off the electrics and press on till sight of drome, then empty battery
for chattering to kiwis. Bliss.
If one has so little experience on one engine (a) then overwater
flight must be a terror, and (b) try maintaining control on one engine of a
'light twin' - it takes you to the crashsite.
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | OBAM night flying VFR |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Hi, Ferg, always good to hear from you!
I think Duane meant all aircraft, as he referred to filing flight plans for
IFR just to fly at night - and Night IFR is even more no-no in the UK than
Night VFR in a Europa.
I'm not sure on military planes over there, but over here they are not
usually certified - and of course they operate under a totally different set
of rules that allows them to bang along at 150ft under low cloud over my
native Cumbrian fells - I must have been one of the few locals who thought
it was great :-)
As an aside, I remember by flying instructor telling me there are two
certified military types in the UK - the Hawk and the Harrier, where the
prototypes were civil registered (G-HAWK and G-VTOL). I always wondered if
he really meant they operated under Permits? Anyone out there know? Not much
chance of me owning one of those, though :-( But it would make an
interesting change from my brother's Aero L29 Delfin.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
"I think that this would be a privilege that is worth fighting for."
It's one I'd like. If IFR in a 40-year-old Cessna 150 is legal, to me it
makes no sense not to allow it in a Europa. I'm not thinking hard IFR here,
but I can think of many times it would be far nicer to fly on top of that
cloud layer rather than scud-running below it.
"My conspiracy theory mind makes me think that production plane people had a
hand in this restriction to keep people in their aircraft."
I'm with you on this one, too. Given that I pay around US$150 an hour
engine-on-to-engine-off for a Slingsby Firefly to do aerobatics, I wonder if
the rental 'schools' have anything to do with it, too?
My license is up for renewal in July. Given that most of my flying the last
2 years has been in the right-hand seat of friends' Europas and therefore
hasnt been loggable, I need to spend about 1000 (US$1500) just to keep it.
And if G-EZZA isn't flying in the next 2 years, that'll be another 1000
down the drain...
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Stade Fly In, June 14-15, 2003 (in English) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Eupa91@aol.com
Get Together of Europa Friends, Builders, and Flyers at the Stade Airfield
(near Hamburg, Germany).
We tried to pick the best conditions tried last year. Here are the details:
Place: Stade Airfield N53 33.6 E009 29.9, 123.00 MHz, rw 11/29, circuit to
the south, 1000 ft. Watch out for gliders, pedestriens, dogs, and motor cars
on or nearby the runway.
We will provide for beverages and snacks at the airfield.
Dinner: June 14, 2003 19 h at Gasthaus zur Tenne, Agathenburg (nearby, 8 to
10 Euro plus beverages)
Accomodation: June 14.-15 2003: Gasthaus zur Tenne, Agathenburg. single 29,
double 47, triple 61 Euro. I booked all beds in advance.
Sign In: In order to permit proper preparation participants are kindly
requested to sign in latest
May 10, 2003
including details on participation at the dinner and request for accomodation
to the address given below.
All depending on VFR weather.
A welcome to all from our N German Europa Chapter
Erich Gabbe (Kit #91, still building)
Eupa91@aol.com
Hugo-Klemm-Str. 30
21075 Hamburg
Germany
Telef. +49-40-7925262
Mob. +49-173-3523506
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| Subject: | Stade Fly In June, 14-15, 2003 (in German) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Eupa91@aol.com
Treffen aller Europa-Freunde, -Bauer und Flieger am Flugplatz Stade.
Wir haben versucht, die besten Bedingungen nach dem Treffen im letzten Jahr
auszuw=E4hlen. Hier die Daten:
Zeit: 14.-15. Juni 2003
Ort: Flugplatz Stade N53 33.6 E009 29.9, 123.00 MHz, S=FCdplatzrunde, 1000 ft.
Auf Segelflugbetrieb, sowie Menschen, Hunde und Kraftfahrzeuge auf oder neben
der Piste achten.
F=FCr Getr=E4nke und Snacks am Flugplatz wird gesorgt.
Dinner: 14. Juni 2003 19 Uhr Gasthaus zur Tenne, Agathenburg (8-10 Euro plus
Getr=E4nke).
=DCbernachtung 14.-15. Juni 2003: Gasthaus zur Tenne, Agathenburg. EZ 29, DZ
47, TZ 61 Euro. Vorsorglich habe ich das ganze Hotel gebucht.
Anmeldung: Um eine angemessene Vorbereitung zu erm=F6glichen, wird um Anmeldung
gebeten bis sp=E4testens
10. Mai 2003
mit Angaben zu Teilnahme am Dinner und =DCbernachtung an unten stehende
Adresse. Alle Anmeldungen unter dem Vorbehalt von VFR-Wetter.
Ein herzliches Willkommen vom N German Europa Chapter.
Erich Gabbe (Kit # 91, still building)
Eupa91@aol.com
Hugo-Klemm-Str. 30
21075 Hamburg
Germany
Telef. +49-40-7925262
Mob. +49-173-3523506
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
I know some people have opted for yachting fittings within their rudder
control system, versus the more expensive turnbuckles. I notice there are
the lockwireable types of AN 140 and also another type which is a MS
Clip-Locking turnbuckle. Both complete is about $100.00 AUD, 38 pounds,
$60.00 US, which is a lot for 2 smallish components. I think a turnbuckle
is a good idea and I am wondering if the cable eye ends available have
suitable radius for our 7X7 cable? I would think it would, as why would you
have such a component if it needed a cable thimble? Having said that I see
that a thimble has quite a large radius and the cable eye quite a small
one, so maybe the cable eye is designed to mate to the inner radius of a
thimble, and not the minimum radius of the cable. So, I am stuck with
whether to use thimbles, whether to use a normal AN turnbuckle, a MS
Clip-Locking turnbuckle, or a yachting fitting suitably lockwired. Any
suggestions will be greatfully appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
I have recently installed the fuel tank gauge, the magnetic variety
supplied by Europa. Upon tightening the 5 anchor nuts I notice that after
some time, a few weeks or so, there is a noticeable gaping between the tank
and the underside of the top flange which the rubber seal sits against. In
other words, it is not equally sealing and I am wondering now if I should
use a tank sealant. I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant will be
adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have recently installed the fuel tank gauge, the magnetic variety
> supplied by Europa. Upon tightening the 5 anchor nuts I notice that after
> some time, a few weeks or so, there is a noticeable gaping between the
tank
> and the underside of the top flange which the rubber seal sits against. In
> other words, it is not equally sealing and I am wondering now if I should
> use a tank sealant. I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant will be
> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
Tony:
And by golly if they dasn't send it to the net, will you let us
bystanders know?
Thanks and happy landings,
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Wilco.
Reg
TonyR.
At 09:25 PM 4/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>To: <andy@europa-aircraft.com>; <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have recently installed the fuel tank gauge, the magnetic variety
>> supplied by Europa. Upon tightening the 5 anchor nuts I notice that after
>> some time, a few weeks or so, there is a noticeable gaping between the
>tank
>> and the underside of the top flange which the rubber seal sits against. In
>> other words, it is not equally sealing and I am wondering now if I should
>> use a tank sealant. I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant will be
>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>> Reg
>> Tony Renshaw
>> Sydney Australia
>
>
>Tony:
> And by golly if they dasn't send it to the net, will you let us
>bystanders know?
>Thanks and happy landings,
>Ferg
>
>
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