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1. 11:31 AM - SV: Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
2. 01:33 PM - wheel well opening lenght (Raimo Toivio)
3. 01:33 PM - Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
4. 02:46 PM - Re: Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
5. 02:47 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
6. 03:16 PM - Re: wheel well opening lenght (R.C.Harrison)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
8. 03:43 PM - Re: Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings (Tony Renshaw)
9. 05:06 PM - Dynon EFIS-D10 (Cliff Shaw)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
11. 05:34 PM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (ivor.phillips)
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| Subject: | Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Dan,
I have the solution to this, got it from Neville at Europa very recently -
really simple and takes only 15 min - as I had exactly the same problem. I
have been travelling and therefore not seen your message before. Did you
sort it out in the meantime??
Regards,
Svein K. Johnsen
A225 (now in Norway)
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]P vegne av DJGeldermann
Sendt: 13. april 2003 03:07
Til: europa-list@matronics.com
Emne: Europa-List: Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@msn.com>
For those who have gotten past setting up the TP trim system -help. I'm
trying to figure out if I have a problem or 'am just imagining one. I set
up my trim tab bellcrank and Mac servo per the manual. I get slightly more
than the required full up and down motions of both the tailplanes and the
tabs when the servo is set in the mid-position with neutral tabs when the
TPs are level (so far life is good).
My concern is that when I run the servo jack screw full down (tab T.E.s go
down for max up trim) and then try to bring the TP trailing edges to full
up, the servo plastic fork ends and the bellcrank contact the TS05 link rod
and prevent the TPs from going through their full length of up travel. I've
tried clamping the bellcrank and servo higher on the bulkhead, but I've come
to the top of the servo being at the top edge of the bulkhead plywood
insert. I still have the contact of the servo fork/bellcrank with the TS05
when the servo jack screw is full down and the TP gets to about 9 degrees
up.
I've looked at several Europa websites and also noticed some of the
discussion threads on moving the assembly up a few mm, but I haven't seen
anything on the TP travel limits with the trim settings at extremes. Short
of enlarging the top of the slot in the bellcrank bracket so the servo arm
doesn't move the back of the bellcrank down as far during its run I'm not
sure how to deal with this.
Thanks for any inputs,
Dan Geldermann
A-139
Herndon, VA
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| Subject: | wheel well opening lenght |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi>
Dear Builders!
My centre console bulkhead (mudguard) is 18 cm
forward from the seat back face (Mono Manual
page 11-5). It means 83 cm backward from the front
of the firewall. I know - it should be 20 /81 cm,
like they call in the Europa Newsletter #31.
Should the wheel well opening really be 79 cm from
the front of the firewall (Manual page 21-1)?
Should the end of the opening be square or round
like the shape of the recess in the bottom of the
fuselage (radius 15 cm)?
The rearmost end of the recess is only 75 cm from the
front of the firewall. If I cut more, there will appear
foam-between-glasses-structure area.
It is about midnight but hope somebody is still awake.
Many thanks - I will wait for comments.
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi
www.rwm-systems.fi
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| Subject: | Trim Set-up for Tailplane Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
I have been asked off-Forum about what recommendation Neville gave me
recently on fixing the problem of trim tab link rod TS05 hitting bellcrank
TS03 (or hitting first the tips of the lower plastic fork link). As I
understood from Neville that this was a frequent problem, not caused by
inaccurate building but probably by different limit settings in the servo
motors, it may be experienced in the future by those not yet having reached
Ch. 19.
Graham has already mentioned the basic fix in his response several days ago:
quote
In the early days we had to shorten the two plastic fork ends by about 3mm,
1/8" to avoid this problem. The brass screwed rod was also shortened and
the forks were butted together end to end. if you are a Classic builder I
guess the mod is still required.
unquote
I would like to emphasize that this shortening of the fork ends must NOT be
done prior to installing the servo motor, in an attempt to avoid the problem
ever occuring, but only AFTER the servo has been installed in accordance
with the Building Manual, if it then is realized that the bellcrank and
T-tube, or T-tube and lower fork tips, are touching. Otherwise, nothing is
achieved by the shortening of the forks (which purpose is to lift the aft
end of the bellcrank).
Further: Shorten the length of the forks only as much as required.
Neville's recommendation was 3 mm off each fork, i.e. total 6 mm. In my
case, 3 mm TOTAL was sufficient. Reason to minimize is that you must also
extend the slot for the friction damper upwards to let the servo reach its
internal stop, and this may leave little material above the slot if the
forks are cut off too much.
Another hint (I realized it the hard way!): The rivets shown in fig. 9 of
Ch. 19 should not be placed horizontal and vertical, but at + - 45 degr., in
order to avoid a rivet head protruding into the underside of the bellcrank.
Regards,
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Do NOT under any circumstances use a yachting turnbuckle, this is a life
critical part and requires correct aviation hardware.
The MS series cliplock works fine and is a lot easier to use than the AN
wirelocked version. The part numbers for this can be found in the Europa
manual in the section covering rudder cabling.
Tony
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From: Tony Renshaw
Cc:=09
Subject: Europa-List: Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
I know some people have opted for yachting fittings within their rudder
control system, versus the more expensive turnbuckles. I notice there
are
the lockwireable types of AN 140 and also another type which is a MS
Clip-Locking turnbuckle. Both complete is about $100.00 AUD, 38 pounds,
$60.00 US, which is a lot for 2 smallish components. I think a
turnbuckle
is a good idea and I am wondering if the cable eye ends available have
suitable radius for our 7X7 cable? I would think it would, as why would
you
have such a component if it needed a cable thimble? Having said that I
see
that a thimble has quite a large radius and the cable eye quite a small
one, so maybe the cable eye is designed to mate to the inner radius of a
thimble, and not the minimum radius of the cable. So, I am stuck with
whether to use thimbles, whether to use a normal AN turnbuckle, a MS
Clip-Locking turnbuckle, or a yachting fitting suitably lockwired. Any
suggestions will be greatfully appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant
will be
>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
Hematite Gold works well as a sealant here.
Tony
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| Subject: | wheel well opening lenght |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Raimo.
I'm not much help but just to prove I'm here. My a/c was built as a
convertible and I know that the underbelly slot for the Mono-wheel was
rounded or radiused . I can't talk dimensions but my Andair fuel filter bowl
is fastened to the centre removable bulkhead on a piece of wood spacer which
pushes it forward by one inch approx. for the drain hole to be accessable
from the inspection door I've put in the belly plate. This would have
allowed the mono wheel to clear the removable bulkhead before the gascolator
was fitted. In other words the bulkhead is positioned about 1" behind the
radiused opening or slot for the mono wheel to stow away.
Sorry this is a bit garbled but I felt I should try to help a friend.! Apart
from that I'm sure you have better things to do at this time of night!
Best regards and memories to Marke and girls.
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Subject: Europa-List: wheel well opening lenght
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio"
<raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi>
Dear Builders!
My centre console bulkhead (mudguard) is 18 cm
forward from the seat back face (Mono Manual
page 11-5). It means 83 cm backward from the front
of the firewall. I know - it should be 20 /81 cm,
like they call in the Europa Newsletter #31.
Should the wheel well opening really be 79 cm from
the front of the firewall (Manual page 21-1)?
Should the end of the opening be square or round
like the shape of the recess in the bottom of the
fuselage (radius 15 cm)?
The rearmost end of the recess is only 75 cm from the
front of the firewall. If I cut more, there will appear
foam-between-glasses-structure area.
It is about midnight but hope somebody is still awake.
Many thanks - I will wait for comments.
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi
www.rwm-systems.fi
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Tony,
Am interested in getting a sealant that works in all fuel cases, including
diesel, as I am also asking the questions on behalf of Ferg. I looked in my 98
Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail. I am off
to Banskstown on my way to Mascot, and will ask there. Where did you get the
Hematite Gold from please. By the way, nice picture. Oh, and the search engine
is a real tease :-). I tried it but it said not operating or something
similar.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 09:46 AM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant
>will be
>>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>
>Hematite Gold works well as a sealant here.
>
>Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Wilco.
Thanks
Reg
Tony R.
P.S. I figured that the loads on a yachting turnbuckle often under immense
pressure from sails/masts etc would far outweigh the pressure I could transfer
with my feet, even without Grahams mod. I hear your wisdom though, I just want
to justify that I gave it a few neurones. Still, the MS sound really good so
I'll part with my bucks some more..
At 09:44 AM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>Do NOT under any circumstances use a yachting turnbuckle, this is a life
>critical part and requires correct aviation hardware.
>
>The MS series cliplock works fine and is a lot easier to use than the AN
>wirelocked version. The part numbers for this can be found in the Europa
>manual in the section covering rudder cabling.
>
>Tony
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Renshaw
>Sent: Tue 22/04/2003 11:18 a.m.
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Cc:=09
>Subject: Europa-List: Turnbuckles vs Yachting fittings
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I know some people have opted for yachting fittings within their rudder
>control system, versus the more expensive turnbuckles. I notice there
>are
>the lockwireable types of AN 140 and also another type which is a MS
>Clip-Locking turnbuckle. Both complete is about $100.00 AUD, 38 pounds,
>$60.00 US, which is a lot for 2 smallish components. I think a
>turnbuckle
>is a good idea and I am wondering if the cable eye ends available have
>suitable radius for our 7X7 cable? I would think it would, as why would
>you
>have such a component if it needed a cable thimble? Having said that I
>see
>that a thimble has quite a large radius and the cable eye quite a small
>one, so maybe the cable eye is designed to mate to the inner radius of a
>thimble, and not the minimum radius of the cable. So, I am stuck with
>whether to use thimbles, whether to use a normal AN turnbuckle, a MS
>Clip-Locking turnbuckle, or a yachting fitting suitably lockwired. Any
>suggestions will be greatfully appreciated.
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
All
The UPS man brought me my D10 this afternoon. Yippy!!!
I have is installed in my new panel and already powered up. It is
beautiful. It makes NO noise, and is very fast responding to role and
clime. I can't wait to get "Wile E. Coyote" in the air.
On a side note, This morning Bob Jacobsen took me up in his "Beep Beep" and
gave me some good pointer on landing procedures. We stayed in the pattern at
Arlington because the ceiling was so low. I think I learned something too.
Thanks Bob !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
RS Components stock Hematite so you should be able to get it from them
in Sydney.
Yes, one day I will get my web site search engine working ... my current
excuse is that I've only been in Auckland five days this month... and
I'm still not there!
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Renshaw
Cc:=09
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Tony,
Am interested in getting a sealant that works in all fuel cases,
including
diesel, as I am also asking the questions on behalf of Ferg. I looked in
my 98
Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail. I
am off
to Banskstown on my way to Mascot, and will ask there. Where did you get
the
Hematite Gold from please. By the way, nice picture. Oh, and the search
engine
is a real tease :-). I tried it but it said not operating or something
similar.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 09:46 AM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
<tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant
>will be
>>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>
>Hematite Gold works well as a sealant here.
>
>Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Tony I have the same fuel tank sender unit but have yet to fit it to my
tank, on examining the kit it would appear to have extra length on the bolts
to suit thicker tank installation,
as the body of the fuel tank is relatively thin I suspect your bolts are
bottoming out in the blind nuts inside the tank, and therefore not
compressing the rubber seals sufficiently, suggest reducing them by a small
amount one at a time to see if this will alleviate your problem,
regards
Ivor phillips XS486
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have recently installed the fuel tank gauge, the magnetic variety
> supplied by Europa. Upon tightening the 5 anchor nuts I notice that after
> some time, a few weeks or so, there is a noticeable gaping between the
tank
> and the underside of the top flange which the rubber seal sits against. In
> other words, it is not equally sealing and I am wondering now if I should
> use a tank sealant. I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant will be
> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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