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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Overhead lighting (Gerry Holland)
2. 03:38 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (John Cliff)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Miles McCallum)
4. 05:14 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
5. 05:30 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
8. 05:38 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Tony Renshaw)
9. 08:55 AM - Variometer instead of ROC (Ronald J. Parigoris)
10. 10:32 AM - Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
11. 11:06 AM - Trailers (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
12. 11:23 AM - Hermatite sealant (Fergus Kyle)
13. 12:16 PM - Re: Trailers (Paul Boulet)
14. 12:31 PM - Re: Trailers (Jeremy Davey)
15. 01:38 PM - SV: Trailers (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
16. 01:50 PM - Re: SV: Trailers (Paul Boulet)
17. 02:08 PM - Instrument panel colours (Ami McFadyean)
18. 03:05 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (R.C.Harrison)
19. 03:30 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (Terry Seaver)
20. 03:34 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
21. 03:59 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (Peter Zutrauen)
22. 04:02 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (Peter Zutrauen)
23. 07:23 PM - Yaesu Handheld Posting (Paul McAllister)
24. 09:51 PM - Re: Yaesu Handheld Posting (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Regarding Cockpit Lighting accessories.
A device that could be of use and give instant results without rewiring
or for emergency use can be found at:
http://www.buncup.com/commerce1/store/
product_details.jsp?pid=33&cid=21&red=product_list.jsp?id=21
This head/wrist band light can also br adapted to a fixing in cockpit
using Velcro.
The Buncup Site is run by a good friend who does a whole load of
LIGHTWEIGHT Clothing and essentials for Expeditions and Adventure
Holidays. If there is interest in any of the goods then he would be
willing to provide a 'Europa' Discount.
http://www.buncup.com
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail.
Tony,
The spelling is Hermetite, which (on its own) does give hits. It is sold by RS
in the UK (I have used it on my own tank gauge installation).
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Miles McCallum" <milesm@avnet.co.uk>
Best stuff I've found to date is Permatex 3H (sold by A/C spruce) - used on
all the engines I build, and in assorted places within the fuel system
(including the fuel level sensor port)
Miles
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
I'm in Perth. You whinged to the wrong bloke!
Reg
Tony Renshaw :-)
At 12:20 PM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>RS Components stock Hematite so you should be able to get it from them
>in Sydney.
>
>Yes, one day I will get my web site search engine working ... my current
>excuse is that I've only been in Auckland five days this month... and
>I'm still not there!
>
>Tony
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Renshaw
>Sent: Wed 23/04/2003 10:40 a.m.
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Cc:=09
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Tony,
>Am interested in getting a sealant that works in all fuel cases,
>including
>diesel, as I am also asking the questions on behalf of Ferg. I looked in
>my 98
>Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail. I
>am off
>to Banskstown on my way to Mascot, and will ask there. Where did you get
>the
>Hematite Gold from please. By the way, nice picture. Oh, and the search
>engine
>is a real tease :-). I tried it but it said not operating or something
>similar.
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>At 09:46 AM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
><tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>
>>I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>>>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant
>>will be
>>>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>>
>>Hematite Gold works well as a sealant here.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Tony,
That RS website certainly is! I tried to find Hematite, but nearly got a
haemoroid doing so. Gave up, but I have had a "Wild Turkey and Dry" . Have you
had that mix, it is really nice. "
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 12:20 PM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>RS Components stock Hematite so you should be able to get it from them
>in Sydney.
>
>Yes, one day I will get my web site search engine working ... my current
>excuse is that I've only been in Auckland five days this month... and
>I'm still not there!
>
>Tony
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Renshaw
>Sent: Wed 23/04/2003 10:40 a.m.
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Cc:=09
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Tony,
>Am interested in getting a sealant that works in all fuel cases,
>including
>diesel, as I am also asking the questions on behalf of Ferg. I looked in
>my 98
>Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail. I
>am off
>to Banskstown on my way to Mascot, and will ask there. Where did you get
>the
>Hematite Gold from please. By the way, nice picture. Oh, and the search
>engine
>is a real tease :-). I tried it but it said not operating or something
>similar.
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>At 09:46 AM 4/23/2003 +1200, you wrote:
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
><tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>
>>I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>>>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant
>>will be
>>>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>>
>>Hematite Gold works well as a sealant here.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Ivor,
I agree, and think I will use the small washers, are they 9610 or something
similar? Thanks for your input.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 01:36 AM 4/23/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
<ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
>
>Tony I have the same fuel tank sender unit but have yet to fit it to my
>tank, on examining the kit it would appear to have extra length on the bolts
>to suit thicker tank installation,
>as the body of the fuel tank is relatively thin I suspect your bolts are
>bottoming out in the blind nuts inside the tank, and therefore not
>compressing the rubber seals sufficiently, suggest reducing them by a small
>amount one at a time to see if this will alleviate your problem,
>
>regards
>
>Ivor phillips XS486
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>To: <andy@europa-aircraft.com>; <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have recently installed the fuel tank gauge, the magnetic variety
>> supplied by Europa. Upon tightening the 5 anchor nuts I notice that after
>> some time, a few weeks or so, there is a noticeable gaping between the
>tank
>> and the underside of the top flange which the rubber seal sits against. In
>> other words, it is not equally sealing and I am wondering now if I should
>> use a tank sealant. I need advice of the best type of sealant to suit the
>> rubber gaskets, and the poly tank. I gather any fuel tank sealant will be
>> adaquate, but would like advice as to which product is recommended.
>> Reg
>> Tony Renshaw
>> Sydney Australia
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
John,
you are a godsend. Thanks for the "heads up" on this one. I was getting no
where.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 11:39 AM 4/23/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
><mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>> Spruce catalogue and used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail.
>
>Tony,
>
>The spelling is Hermetite, which (on its own) does give hits. It is sold by
RS
>in the UK (I have used it on my own tank gauge installation).
>
>John Cliff
>#0259
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Thanks Miles.
At 11:54 AM 4/23/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Miles McCallum" <milesm@avnet.co.uk>
>
>Best stuff I've found to date is Permatex 3H (sold by A/C spruce) - used on
>all the engines I build, and in assorted places within the fuel system
>(including the fuel level sensor port)
>
>Miles
>
>
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| Subject: | Variometer instead of ROC |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Besides being more expensive, is there any reason that a Variometer can not take
the
> place of a ROC?
===========================================================================
Even though have a Monowheel with short wings, i am sure it will still make a nice
glider.
Granted sink rate higher than is desirable for light thermal, however in a good
long
island convergence soaring is easy, or just gliding should be plenty fun.
Also neat would be to measure sink rate vs speed, precise with windmilling prop
in fine
and course, and stopped prop in fine and course and feather, and also with flaps.
Nice
stuff to know, especial in event of quiet when you don't want quiet.
Later on if aquire glider wings, instrument in place.
Also a bit easier to find and stay in lift if present.
Had a Cessna 170 ragwing for 19 years. Not the greatest glider, had very small
flaps and
was very hard to get prop stopped, but it was great fun. Got over a three hour
flight on
a good Long Island Convergence lift day.
Europa should be far superior with short wings to Cessna.
I never had to use the magic numbers i aquired gliding round with cessna. If I
lost power,
and was over a few thousand feet, would not hesitate to stop prop, which would
require an
abrupt noseup just before stall to get prop to stop. The benefit of a stopped prop
was
evident in a lower sink rate for a given airspeed, hence a better L/D.
I always slowly reduced power on a step down basis to let motor get cool as possable
to
prevent as much thermal shock as i could. Never saw any indication I hurt motor.
I imagine the 914 with same care would be pretty happy.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Europa Fuel Gauge Tank Sealing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 08:40 +1000 on 23-04-03, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>used Hematite Gold on the net search to no avail
Tony - if it's made by the same people as the Red and Green I used to
use when I rebuilt my own car engines, it's spelt Hermatite - the
search engine might not be able to cope with mis-spellings.
regards
Rowland
--
| PFA 16532 EAA 168386 Young Eagles Flight Leader 017623
| 510 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
To complete the little "survey" that appeared recently on this Forum:
At the end of a perfect Easter holiday in the very beautiful Cotswold area
in England, I hitched my new, covered trigear trailer built by David
Schofield to my car and drove the 900 km back to Oslo (ferry across the
water, though). I will use it for transportation and as a hangar at the
airport(s) I intend to fly out of. It is tailor-made to Norwegian max.
width of 2550 mm (which I understand applies also in many other continental
European countries, but exceeds the max. allowed for registration in the
UK). This gives wide enough stern ramp/opening for the trigear, with some
clearance, with the floor being level with the top of the axles (not over
the wheels). Empty weight 730 kg, max allowed cargo 870 kg (1600 kg
capacity of axles/brakes, whole trailer built accordingly). Space on the
inside walls for the wings and tailplanes. Access door and windows in
front. Plan to fit solar panels on the roof to charge a standard lead acid
battery of good capacity for interior lights and as a source during any
testing of a/c systems, jumper cable starts, etc. Twin axles. Very nice to
tow, got some experience in the prevailing strong NE'lies over England last
week-end. Pressure wave from passing trailers noticeable, however, as also
noted by others.
I have no experience with other builders, but I can unreservedly recommend
David both as far as his product is concerned and the service he rendered.
There was nothing "impossible" for him to adapt to or fit, and the result is
very good. Really looks like it is built professionably. David was well
along in building a covered trailer for a mono, which of course can be made
narrower. Our road authorities are quite strict in approving "one-off"
vehicles, but this one passed without any other comments than some missing
reflex strips and some additional marker lights required due to its width.
For possible continental interests: I had David install Alko-Kober
brakes/hitch mechanism and Alko-Kober axles, which are readily accepted here
(I got the type no's from David before ordering, and had them pre-approved
by the road authorities).
Only got to get the 'plane finished now!
Regards,
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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| Subject: | Hermatite sealant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers, try:
http://www.worldfolk.com/IME/ime/g/gasket_sealant.html
for a look at some info...............
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the trailer update. Would you please give me David's email so I can
contact him about photos and possibility of shipping across the pond? Can you
tell what you paid? ThanksPaul Boulet, N914PB
Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> wrote:--> Europa-List message
posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
To complete the little "survey" that appeared recently on this Forum:
At the end of a perfect Easter holiday in the very beautiful Cotswold area
in England, I hitched my new, covered trigear trailer built by David
Schofield to my car and drove the 900 km back to Oslo (ferry across the
water, though). I will use it for transportation and as a hangar at the
airport(s) I intend to fly out of. It is tailor-made to Norwegian max.
width of 2550 mm (which I understand applies also in many other continental
European countries, but exceeds the max. allowed for registration in the
UK). This gives wide enough stern ramp/opening for the trigear, with some
clearance, with the floor being level with the top of the axles (not over
the wheels). Empty weight 730 kg, max allowed cargo 870 kg (1600 kg
capacity of axles/brakes, whole trailer built accordingly). Space on the
inside walls for the wings and tailplanes. Access door and windows in
front. Plan to fit solar panels on the roof to charge a standard lead acid
battery of good capacity for interior lights and as a source during any
testing of a/c systems, jumper cable starts, etc. Twin axles. Very nice to
tow, got some experience in the prevailing strong NE'lies over England last
week-end. Pressure wave from passing trailers noticeable, however, as also
noted by others.
I have no experience with other builders, but I can unreservedly recommend
David both as far as his product is concerned and the service he rendered.
There was nothing "impossible" for him to adapt to or fit, and the result is
very good. Really looks like it is built professionably. David was well
along in building a covered trailer for a mono, which of course can be made
narrower. Our road authorities are quite strict in approving "one-off"
vehicles, but this one passed without any other comments than some missing
reflex strips and some additional marker lights required due to its width.
For possible continental interests: I had David install Alko-Kober
brakes/hitch mechanism and Alko-Kober axles, which are readily accepted here
(I got the type no's from David before ordering, and had them pre-approved
by the road authorities).
Only got to get the 'plane finished now!
Regards,
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
One item that might be worth mentioning - when I last spoke with David a few
months ago he had a lovely looking covered trailer for sale that long enough
for a Europa with motorglider wings.
It was part of an order that had gone wrong somehow and he was interested in
discussing price.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Thanks for the trailer update. Would you please give me David's email so I
can contact him about photos and possibility of shipping across the pond?
Can you tell what you paid? ThanksPaul Boulet, N914PB
Hi, Paul,
David's e-mail address is
de_schofield@yahoo.com
Phone no's:
Office: +44-1793-790160
Mobile: +44-7973-838695
Home: +44-1793-771699
Since this is not an off-the-shelf product, I prefer to answer you off-forum
re. price.
Regards,
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Hi Svein;Thanks for the reply. It's not important the price. My guess is shipping
will make the entire deal cost prohibitive (I live in Los Angeles area).
I'll get hold of David and see what he can do. Paul
Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> wrote:--> Europa-List message
posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
Thanks for the trailer update. Would you please give me David's email so I
can contact him about photos and possibility of shipping across the pond?
Can you tell what you paid? ThanksPaul Boulet, N914PB
Hi, Paul,
David's e-mail address is
de_schofield@yahoo.com
Phone no's:
Office: +44-1793-790160
Mobile: +44-7973-838695
Home: +44-1793-771699
Since this is not an off-the-shelf product, I prefer to answer you off-forum
re. price.
Regards,
Svein
A225 (now in Norway)
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| Subject: | Instrument panel colours |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day
flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the cockpit.
Big Mistake.
In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte windscreen
that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently degraded
whilst the sun shines.
I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could
overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass.
Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc)
experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary to
the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less?
Duncan Mcf.
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| Subject: | Instrument panel colours |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Duncan.
No problems with my "Cobalt Blue" Nextel finish on my entire panel. Looks
good cleans easy even with the suede textured finish, shows up the yellow
backed plackards, see http://www.crix.org.uk. under "Labels for panel" on
G-PTAG to see the colour. Your problems are just the same as I discovered
when I flashed over the rear face of the Propeller blades with Aluminium!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami
McFadyean
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel colours |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
We had a similar problem, having painted the panel grey. We solved the problem
by
installing a panel cover made of black carpeting, like has been done on some upscale
cars over the years. The cover extends over the top of the panel, down to and
including the tray on the right side, with sewn edges. The cover was made by our
upholsterer, and has been glued on to keep it from moving around. There are no
reflections seen now in the windscreen. I believe the carpeting also provides
some
insulation that reduces heating of the panel interior from direct sunlight. We
have
multiple holes in the top of the panel for ventilation, with the holes hidden from
view just in front of the forward edge of the windshield.
Even if we had painted the panel flat black to start with, I would still want
the
carpet panel cover.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135/N135TD
Ami McFadyean wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day
> flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the cockpit.
> Big Mistake.
>
> In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte windscreen
> that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently degraded
> whilst the sun shines.
>
> I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could
> overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass.
>
> Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc)
> experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary to
> the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less?
>
> Duncan Mcf.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel colours |
--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I had the same experience with the light color a hazy reflection. I placed
a piece of black felt cloth over the top of the panel and it does not seem
to generate heat in the panel while stopping the reflection.
Ken Carpenter
N 9XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day
> flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the
cockpit.
> Big Mistake.
>
> In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte
windscreen
> that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently degraded
> whilst the sun shines.
>
> I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could
> overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass.
>
> Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc)
> experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary to
> the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less?
>
> Duncan Mcf.
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument panel colours |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hmmm... I wonder if someone makes a matt-black foam-backed light-weight
fabric?
That would be my pick for gluing onto the top surface.
Cheers & thanks,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Ami McFadyean [mailto:ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day
flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the
cockpit.
Big Mistake.
In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte
windscreen
that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently
degraded
whilst the sun shines.
I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could
overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass.
Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc)
experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary
to
the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less?
Duncan Mcf.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Apologies for my premature reply.... next time I'll read the thread
before hitting the send button.
-Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Zutrauen
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hmmm... I wonder if someone makes a matt-black foam-backed light-weight
fabric?
That would be my pick for gluing onto the top surface.
Cheers & thanks,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Ami McFadyean [mailto:ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day
flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the
cockpit.
Big Mistake.
In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte
windscreen
that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently
degraded
whilst the sun shines.
I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could
overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass.
Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc)
experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary
to
the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less?
Duncan Mcf.
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| Subject: | Yaesu Handheld Posting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All
I picked up this interesting posting regarding the Vertex (Yaseu) Aviator Pro.
I was thinking of buying one until I read this.
Paul
Subj: [c-a] Yaesu Handheld -- Caveat emptor.
From: brucem@theworks.com (Bruce McElhoe)
Hello,
I thought you might be interested and amazed at the exchange of letters I
had recently with Vertex Standard, the manufacturers of Yaesu handheld
transceivers. I wrote the following to their U.S. office in Cerritos,
California. [condensed version].
I bought a "VXA-100 Aviator Pilot" transceiver [with a VOR receiver]....I
recently had the opportunity to try the navigation receiver during a flight
in my own fiberglass airplane with direct line-of-sight to several VOR
transmitters in Nevada. I am distressed to find that, even in these ideal
conditions, the heading information (including the CDI indicator) is erratic
and unuseable.
I called your service department in Cerritos, California, and learned that
erratic readings are characteristic of that model and can not be corrected.
I was told the following:
1. The navigation function is designed to have a steady reading only
while the receiver is not moving. I was informed that readings would always
be unuseable in a moving airplane!
2. They are well aware of this shortcoming in the design, and their
attempts in the past to improve the performance have been unsuccessful.
3. Your service department does not have a signal generator to test
position information from the navigation receiver. They are currently
unable to attempt repairs to my receiver, even if they thought they could
succeed.
I am disappointed in your product and advertising because I clearly expected
your VXA-100 to operate in my moving airplane. I was informed also that
your newer navigation receiver, Model VXA-200/16, actually displays a
readable VOR signal while the receiver is moving.
Accordingly, I propose an exchange that will reduce my disappointment
greatly and restore my confidence in the trustworthiness of Yaesu. [I then
proposed to send them my transceiver and the difference in price between
mine and the newer VXA-200/16.]
I received the following answer from David Akins, Manager, Commercial
Service, Vertex Standard:
[quote] We do understand the circumstances that you describe with respect to
the VOR operation in the VXA-100. The problems that you describe are more
related to the attempted use of any handheld radio for VOR operation inside
a moving airplane. This is why we state in the VXA-100 Operating Manual:
"Note The VXA-100's VOR and CDI Navigation features are supplemental aids to
navigation only, and are not intended to be a substitute for accurate
(primary) VOR/CDI or landing service equipment.".... We do wish that VOR
function could be made more accurate and stable, but our factory advises
that this just is not possible in a handheld radio.
"Nonetheless, we are unable to honor your request for a direct factory
trade-in.....We are sorry for your disappointment. [unquote].
Well, they got the "disappointment" part right. I wonder where I got the
idea that a handheld VOR receiver would work in a moving airplane? Maybe it
was from their advertisements. Unfortunately, the receiver is useless as
even a "supplemental aid to navigation". The digits change so fast on the
display that they are unreadable.
Caveat emptor.
Bruce McElhoe Long-EZ N64MC
Reedley, California
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Handheld Posting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
> Hi All
>
> I picked up this interesting posting regarding the Vertex (Yaseu) Aviator Pro.
> I was thinking of buying one until I read this.
>
> Paul
(snip quoted blast re nav capability)
My Yaesu is one rugged, compact, honey of a unit. Love it. Any
handheld for VOR nav use apparently just doesn't work well. Also,
interestingly, they claim 5W of xmit power, but I couldn't get quite
that on the test bench. Maybe the test equipment, but an old Narco
HT-830 I have puts out relatively more, but the size and nuisance of a
building brick, cheaply constructed as are Sporty's, and I'm frequently
fixing the dumb thing.
Five watts is totally superfluous, and it's how it works overall. A
friend of mine runs a fleet of banner tow airplanes. They use handhelds
a lot for various necessary purposes, different brands, and praise the
Yaesu. One of the banner pilots, a "ham" and retired police officer and
thus experienced in portable communications in the heat of hostilities,
has the ham frequency version of the Yaesu, and is rarely seen w/o it
clipped to his belt.
Best,
Fred F.
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