---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/24/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: Yaesu Handheld Posting (Paul McAllister) 2. 05:21 AM - Re: Instrument panel colours (david joyce) 3. 06:17 AM - Firewall connector (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 4. 07:19 AM - Re: Yaesu Handheld Posting (Fergus Kyle) 5. 07:38 AM - Re: Firewall connector (Richard) 6. 08:01 AM - Re: Firewall connector (Fergus Kyle) 7. 08:49 AM - Re: Yaesu Handheld Posting (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 8. 11:56 AM - Re: Firewall connector (Richard) 9. 12:24 PM - Re: Instrument panel colours (Ami McFadyean) 10. 12:31 PM - Re: Firewall connector (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:48 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Yaesu Handheld Posting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Fred, I was attracted to the Yaseu unit because of their long history of producing products for the amateur radio community. My concern here is how the manufacturer treat you when you have a problem. Paul ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:50 AM PST US From: "david joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours --> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" Duncan, While I chose a light blue Nextel for the rest of the cockpit I have cobalt blue Nextel for the complete panel which gives complete absence of windscreen reflection and good instrument visibility. I have not encountered any heating problems although I have fitted a small fan on the underside of the panel over the passenger's feet which blows air around the instruments and out through a series of holes at the base of the pilot's side of the windscreen. This arrangement doubles as a screen demister for foggy English days, and an instrument cooler for scorching hot days. A year's flying has so far only revealed the occasional need for the former! Regards, david ----- Original Message ----- From: Ami McFadyean Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" > > I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day > flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the cockpit. > Big Mistake. > > In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte windscreen > that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently degraded > whilst the sun shines. > > I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could > overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass. > > Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc) > experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary to > the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less? > > Duncan Mcf. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:53 AM PST US From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Firewall connector 04/24/2003 09:14:57 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Greetings All, Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various and sundry electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K circular bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island). But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any accessories. Wow... Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall connectors Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:21 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Yaesu Handheld Posting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Paul, In view of the nonsense reply by the manufacturer AND the implication that is not Europa's alone, I would send the whole message to AeroElectrics and other applicable nets for more wide distribution. As a ham of many years, I had a complaint regarding a Yaesu desktop transceiver and delivered it ti Yaesu's reps at the annual Dayton hamfest - where they have an immense display area. When I pointed out the failure of the set to perform as advertised, I was told that they aren't interested - and when I objected to that response and would distribute his answer widely (I had witnesses), he said I could go to Hell. That was my last Yaesu product. Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Yaesu Handheld Posting > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Hi All > > I picked up this interesting posting regarding the Vertex (Yaseu) Aviator Pro. I was thinking of buying one until I read this. > > > Paul > Subj: [c-a] Yaesu Handheld -- Caveat emptor. > Date: 12/5/01 11:52:35 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: brucem@theworks.com (Bruce McElhoe) > To: canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com (Canard Aviator's Mailing List) > > Hello, > > I thought you might be interested and amazed at the exchange of letters I > had recently with Vertex Standard, the manufacturers of Yaesu handheld > transceivers. I wrote the following to their U.S. office in Cerritos, > California. [condensed version]. > > I bought a "VXA-100 Aviator Pilot" transceiver [with a VOR receiver]....I > recently had the opportunity to try the navigation receiver during a flight > in my own fiberglass airplane with direct line-of-sight to several VOR > transmitters in Nevada. I am distressed to find that, even in these ideal > conditions, the heading information (including the CDI indicator) is erratic > and unuseable. > > I called your service department in Cerritos, California, and learned that > erratic readings are characteristic of that model and can not be corrected. > I was told the following: > > 1. The navigation function is designed to have a steady reading only > while the receiver is not moving. I was informed that readings would always > be unuseable in a moving airplane! > > 2. They are well aware of this shortcoming in the design, and their > attempts in the past to improve the performance have been unsuccessful. > > 3. Your service department does not have a signal generator to test > position information from the navigation receiver. They are currently > unable to attempt repairs to my receiver, even if they thought they could > succeed. > > I am disappointed in your product and advertising because I clearly expected > your VXA-100 to operate in my moving airplane. I was informed also that > your newer navigation receiver, Model VXA-200/16, actually displays a > readable VOR signal while the receiver is moving. > > Accordingly, I propose an exchange that will reduce my disappointment > greatly and restore my confidence in the trustworthiness of Yaesu. [I then > proposed to send them my transceiver and the difference in price between > mine and the newer VXA-200/16.] > > I received the following answer from David Akins, Manager, Commercial > Service, Vertex Standard: > > [quote] We do understand the circumstances that you describe with respect to > the VOR operation in the VXA-100. The problems that you describe are more > related to the attempted use of any handheld radio for VOR operation inside > a moving airplane. This is why we state in the VXA-100 Operating Manual: > "Note The VXA-100's VOR and CDI Navigation features are supplemental aids to > navigation only, and are not intended to be a substitute for accurate > (primary) VOR/CDI or landing service equipment.".... We do wish that VOR > function could be made more accurate and stable, but our factory advises > that this just is not possible in a handheld radio. > > "Nonetheless, we are unable to honor your request for a direct factory > trade-in.....We are sorry for your disappointment. [unquote]. > > Well, they got the "disappointment" part right. I wonder where I got the > idea that a handheld VOR receiver would work in a moving airplane? Maybe it > was from their advertisements. Unfortunately, the receiver is useless as > even a "supplemental aid to navigation". The digits change so fast on the > display that they are unreadable. > > Caveat emptor. > > Bruce McElhoe Long-EZ N64MC > Reedley, California > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:24 AM PST US From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall connector --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" Ira I used AMP series 1 connectors. They can be free hanging or bulkhead mounted. Anything from 4 way to 37 way. Pins to suit 20/24 AWG or 16/18 AWG. Available from RS. Price from memory around 20 UK pounds for a 16 way connector including housings & strain relief. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS. (STILL waiting for my permit to fly) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Firewall connector --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Greetings All, Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various and sundry electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K circular bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island). But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any accessories. Wow... Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall connectors Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:14 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall connector --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Ira, Do you have any AMP part numbers to aid in search? cheers, ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall connector > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" > > Ira > > I used AMP series 1 connectors. They can be free hanging or bulkhead > mounted. Anything from 4 way to 37 way. Pins to suit 20/24 AWG or 16/18 > AWG. Available from RS. Price from memory around 20 UK pounds for a 16 way > connector including housings & strain relief. > > Richard Iddon. G-RIXS. (STILL waiting for my permit to fly) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Firewall connector > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > > Greetings All, > > Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various > and sundry > electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K > circular > bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a > local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major > military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island). > But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any > accessories. > Wow... > > Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall > connectors > > Ira N224XS > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:38 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Yaesu Handheld Posting --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 4/24/2003 10:20:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, VE3LVO@rac.ca writes: > When I pointed out the failure of the set to perform as > advertised, I was told that they aren't interested - and when I objected to > that response and would distribute his answer widely (I had witnesses), he > said I could go to Hell. That was my last Yaesu product. > Ferg > Although I have no direct experience with Yaesu, that's the same thing I've heard about them. My next door neighbor has a couple of Yaesu 2 meter handhelds and they've been nothing but trouble for him. My HAM stuff is all Kenwood and I wouldn't take a gold monkey for any of it. Both my handheld Kenwoods are 10+ years old and still work like a charm. I have two Icom AC-5 handheld aircraft radios I bought last year at S-n-F that we use in our sailplane operation for ground crew to tow plane com. Both have performed flawlessly for over a year, despite being dropped several times onto concrete. According to my watt meter (Bird Thruline) they output slightly over 5 watts each. Oh, stay away from anything with Alinco stamped on it unless you want trouble. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 KE4GYG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:49 AM PST US From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall connector --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" Ferg, Ordering is a bit difficult at first as you have to select the plug or receptacle body, whether fixed or free, then find the matching housing with cable clamp. Pins and sockets to suit also have to be ordered separately. e.g. for a free 16 way connection you might need:- 1 x 182642-1 plug 1 x 206036-3 receptacle 2 x cable clamps for size 17 shells quantity of pins & sockets either tin plated or gold plated, for either 16/18AWG or 20/24 AWG Takes a bit of sorting out but is fairly logical once you have found the right section. Try searching under 'AMP series 1' I found a pin removal tool essential (unless you can guarantee to get every pin crimped and inserted right first time). Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall connector --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Ira, Do you have any AMP part numbers to aid in search? cheers, ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall connector > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" > > Ira > > I used AMP series 1 connectors. They can be free hanging or bulkhead > mounted. Anything from 4 way to 37 way. Pins to suit 20/24 AWG or 16/18 > AWG. Available from RS. Price from memory around 20 UK pounds for a 16 way > connector including housings & strain relief. > > Richard Iddon. G-RIXS. (STILL waiting for my permit to fly) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Firewall connector > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > > Greetings All, > > Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various > and sundry > electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K > circular > bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a > local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major > military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island). > But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any > accessories. > Wow... > > Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall > connectors > > Ira N224XS > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:28 PM PST US From: "Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" Thanks. I have a fan and slots too, but think that I'll try the carpet trick that others have suggested; at least the colour can be changed easily! Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours > --> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" > > Duncan, While I chose a light blue Nextel for the rest of the cockpit I have > cobalt blue Nextel for the complete panel which gives complete absence of > windscreen reflection and good instrument visibility. I have not encountered > any heating problems although I have fitted a small fan on the underside of > the panel over the passenger's feet which blows air around the instruments > and out through a series of holes at the base of the pilot's side of the > windscreen. This arrangement doubles as a screen demister for foggy English > days, and an instrument cooler for scorching hot days. A year's flying has > so far only revealed the occasional need for the former! Regards, david > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ami McFadyean > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel colours > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" > > > > > I painted the top of my instrument panel in a light colour, for VFR day > > flight only; generally it provides a feeling of spaceousness in the > cockpit. > > Big Mistake. > > > > In sunlight there is noticeable reflection onto the inside of hte > windscreen > > that gives an effect of flying into haze; visibility permanently degraded > > whilst the sun shines. > > > > I'm fearful that repainting the top of the panel with matt black could > > overheat hte panel and/or cause heat distortion of the fibreglass. > > > > Has anyone with a "dark" colour panel (meaning grey or dark blue etc) > > experienced any difficulties as above? Are there colours complimentary to > > the brown-tinted windscreen that would reflect less? > > > > Duncan Mcf. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:08 PM PST US From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall connector 04/24/2003 03:31:00 PM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Hi Guys, Thanks for responding!!! I admit I did not consider using Series 1 from AMP since they are thermoplastic and while great else where in the airframe (and I am using two of them), they are not designed for high temp operations Firewall connections are steel shell (not aluminum) with protected, hi temp inserts. they are generally clones of a WWII design from Pyle-National. Check out this catalog from Amphenol MIL-C-26500 CONNECTORS : http://www.amphenol-aerospace.com/index.asp?page=dispcatalog.asp?catalog=MS-101 The firewall connectors are Class K in the middle of the catalog Ira N224XS