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1. 12:05 AM - Out of Office AutoReply: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/24/03 (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
2. 06:33 AM - Connectors (PreDial@aol.com)
3. 11:06 AM - Tom friedland (Fergus Kyle)
4. 11:57 AM - Re: Tom friedland (Tom FRIEDLAND)
5. 12:57 PM - Tail wheel mod. instructions ()
6. 04:55 PM - Alleron Fitting (Alan Stills)
7. 05:00 PM - Re: Alleron Fitting (David Glauser)
8. 05:08 PM - Re: Alleron Fitting (Alan Stills)
9. 07:17 PM - Aileron Fitting (Alan Stills)
10. 07:43 PM - Re: Alleron Fitting (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
11. 07:54 PM - Re: Variometer instead of ROC (DJA727@aol.com)
12. 08:19 PM - Re: Tom friedland (Fergus Kyle)
13. 09:17 PM - Re: Alleron Fitting (Alan Stills)
14. 11:01 PM - Alternator output measurement (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Out of Office AutoReply: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/24/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
I am away from the office on Friday. Returning Monday. For business issues please
contact Ron Franciose on 813-878-3040
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--> Europa-List message posted by: PreDial@aol.com
I've been following this thread too. How about using the Type 1 (plastic )
connectors only using two of them, one on each side of the firewall. Then
make the penetration thru the firewall as described on the aeroelectric site.
Jim Butcher europa A185
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sorry for this, but Tom friedland's both addresses have been refused. Tom,
if you're 'out there', please come back, hear?
ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tom FRIEDLAND" <beecho@neteze.com>
Hi Ferg
I'm still around! I am doing the last of the fiddly things before the
top goes on the canoe. I had to change my address a few times because
of failed ISPs. I will be making one last final change to
beecho@beecho.org in the future but for the present I am at
beecho@neteze.com.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: Tom friedland
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sorry for this, but Tom friedland's both addresses have been refused.
Tom,
if you're 'out there', please come back, hear?
ferg
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| Subject: | Tail wheel mod. instructions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk>
Hi Folks,
After a break from building, I finally got my GS stern post glued in and am
now wanting to get on with my tail wheel mod. (convert to something more
like the XS tail wheel, I also have the GS mods. for it) - only problem is I
can't find the instructions for it. Does anyone have a copy they could scan
and email or fax to me?
Cheers,
Mark.
p.s. please direct any personal reply to europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk as this
address is about to expire (when/if NTL get themselves sorted out).
_________________________________
Mark Jackson - Classic no. 87
http://harley.pcl.ox.ac.uk/~mark/Europa
+44 (0)7050 645590
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
I'm at the wing stage of fitting the aileron's onto the wings for a test fit after
drilling and placing the nut plates on the hinges. The Top flange on the trailing
edge of the wings will not let the aileron's fit into the trailing edge.
The manuel does not state if the Top flange can be trimmed or if it must be
trimmed to fit the aileron's onto the wing properly. It's an XS kit with the
quickbuild wings. Has anyone else had this problem and if so what was your fix.
I'm relunctant to cut without checking as I can see some problems with the
top skin if I trim too much or too far. The top curve on the aileron's (both port
and starboard) hit the top flange the full length of the aileron.
Al Stills
A095
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
I would recommend that you NOT trim at this stage, or at least trim only a little.
You can get in trouble if you trim too much - I did it and the fix was no
fun. Don't worry about rubbing at this point. When you bond the top of the wing
on, you'll use spacers to open the gap. If, after the top is on, you need to
trim for correct aileron travel, you'll be able to trim a lot less than you would
now. The wing top will help hold the closeout in the correct position.
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Stills [mailto:astills785@earthlink.net]
Subject: Europa-List: Alleron Fitting
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
I'm at the wing stage of fitting the aileron's onto the wings for a test fit after
drilling and placing the nut plates on the hinges. The Top flange on the trailing
edge of the wings will not let the aileron's fit into the trailing edge.
The manuel does not state if the Top flange can be trimmed or if it must be
trimmed to fit the aileron's onto the wing properly. It's an XS kit with the
quickbuild wings. Has anyone else had this problem and if so what was your fix.
I'm relunctant to cut without checking as I can see some problems with the
top skin if I trim too much or too far. The top curve on the aileron's (both port
and starboard) hit the top flange the full length of the aileron.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Alleron Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
David,
Thanks for answering so fast. However the top flange holds the aileron's
hinge plates up approx 1/2 inch from the bottom skin. I can force it in but
am at the stage of having to cut and measure for aileron rod from the
bellcrank and am critical of it affecting that length. also I would have to
cut back on either side of the aileron in order to have enough "play" in
the flange to bend up enough.
Al Stills
A095
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Alleron Fitting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser"
<david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
>
> I would recommend that you NOT trim at this stage, or at least trim only a
little. You can get in trouble if you trim too much - I did it and the fix
was no fun. Don't worry about rubbing at this point. When you bond the top
of the wing on, you'll use spacers to open the gap. If, after the top is on,
you need to trim for correct aileron travel, you'll be able to trim a lot
less than you would now. The wing top will help hold the closeout in the
correct position.
>
> dg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Stills [mailto:astills785@earthlink.net]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Alleron Fitting
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
<astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm at the wing stage of fitting the aileron's onto the wings for a test
fit after drilling and placing the nut plates on the hinges. The Top flange
on the trailing edge of the wings will not let the aileron's fit into the
trailing edge. The manuel does not state if the Top flange can be trimmed or
if it must be trimmed to fit the aileron's onto the wing properly. It's an
XS kit with the quickbuild wings. Has anyone else had this problem and if so
what was your fix. I'm relunctant to cut without checking as I can see some
problems with the top skin if I trim too much or too far. The top curve on
the aileron's (both port and starboard) hit the top flange the full length
of the aileron.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
David,
Took your advice, did not cut any off the top flange but made 2 cuts on the flange
on either side of the aileron's and fitted them both in. Worked very well
and did not have to cut any of the flange "off". thanks for the advice.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Alleron Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
Al
It is normal for the ailerons to rub against the top flange and you should
not trim the top flange at this stage. If your problem is more serious than
simple rubbing against the top flange it may be wise to ask the factory for
advice.
On my XS wings the aileron closeout had been incorrectly bonded in at the
root, leaving insufficient space for the aileron. On the port wing this
resulted in the bond between the bottom closeout flange and the rib breaking
when I foolishly used some force to push the aileron in. On the starboard
wing the aileron would not go in at all, so I took some measurements and
emailed the factory. Europa suggested cutting the bonds at the root, fitting
the aileron and then re-bonding the closeout. This has solved the problem,
although the ailerons are still a tighter fit than normal (the wing
reinforcements have tended to lock in the tight dimensions). Hopefully this
will be resolved when I trim back the top flange after closing the wings.
John Heykoop
XS Monowheel #536
--> Original message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
I'm at the wing stage of fitting the aileron's onto the wings for a test fit
after drilling and placing the nut plates on the hinges. The Top flange on
the trailing edge of the wings will not let the aileron's fit into the
trailing edge. The manuel does not state if the Top flange can be trimmed or
if it must be trimmed to fit the aileron's onto the wing properly. It's an XS
kit with the quickbuild wings. Has anyone else had this problem and if so
what was your fix. I'm relunctant to cut without checking as I can see some
problems with the top skin if I trim too much or too far. The top curve on
the aileron's (both port and starboard) hit the top flange the full length of
the aileron.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Variometer instead of ROC |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 4/23/2003 8:56:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
>
> >Besides being more expensive, is there any reason that a Variometer can
> not take the
> >place of a ROC?
>
For the variometer to do its job, it really needs to be connected to a total
energy probe. With that, it really doesn't do the same thing as a VSI. I have
both in mine -- a Tasman variometer, which goes for about $450 and is
electronic - no moving parts. So far it works very well.
Dave A227
mini U2
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| Subject: | Re: Tom friedland |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
OK - if you're still interested I have a new shipment tonight of one of the
tubes needed for the Outrigger pivot PFA mod which I will best checking
tomorrow. I sent a message out to the others but yours came back. Still
interested?
Cheers, Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom FRIEDLAND" <beecho@neteze.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tom friedland
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tom FRIEDLAND" <beecho@neteze.com>
>
> Hi Ferg
>
> I'm still around! I am doing the last of the fiddly things before the
> top goes on the canoe. I had to change my address a few times because
> of failed ISPs. I will be making one last final change to
> beecho@beecho.org in the future but for the present I am at
> beecho@neteze.com.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
> To: EUROPALIST
> Subject: Europa-List: Tom friedland
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Sorry for this, but Tom friedland's both addresses have been refused.
> Tom,
> if you're 'out there', please come back, hear?
> ferg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alleron Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
John,
My closeout on one wing for the aileron is 47MM root end 50 MM outboard end.
The other is 45 MM both ends. My ailerons both measure 66MM on the root and
52MM outboard end. I wound up cutting a horizontal cut on the top of the
closeout approx 1" just outboard of both ends and this allowed the aileron
to slip in...albeit a little tight but worakable without having to cut any
of the top "off". I appreciate the advice and will check with the factory
about what the actual measurements should be.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Alternator output measurement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hi,
Does anybody know of a good way to measure the output of the alternator to
determine how close I am to using up all the capacity of that thing under
various conditions? I would even like to display that in the aircraft on a
permanent basis, if it is at all possible.
Thanks,
Dave
A227 Mini U2
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