Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:31 AM - Static Charges and how to avoid them (Graham Singleton)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: Static Charges and how to avoid them (R.C.Harrison)
3. 06:02 AM - Fuel Outlet Rubber Hose Replacement (Tony Renshaw)
4. 06:54 AM - Rotax 912ULS EGT (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
6. 07:40 AM - Outrigger mod (Fergus Kyle)
7. 08:31 AM - Re: Outrigger mod ()
8. 09:36 AM - Spark Plug Color (DJA727@aol.com)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: Survival (Rob Housman)
10. 10:54 AM - Europa Monowheel for FS 2000/2002 (Steven B. Janicki)
11. 10:58 AM - Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT (RMRRick@aol.com)
12. 11:34 AM - Re: Fuel Outlet Rubber Hose Replacement (Brian Davies)
13. 01:19 PM - Re: Outrigger mod (James H Nelson)
14. 02:23 PM - Re: Spark Plug Color (Runnymede73@aol.com)
15. 02:38 PM - Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT (KARL HEINDL)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT (RMRRick@aol.com)
17. 07:47 PM - Re: Static Charges and how to avoid them (Fred Fillinger)
18. 11:01 PM - Re: Spark Plug Color (bill.sue@zip.co.nz)
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| Subject: | Static Charges and how to avoid them |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 17/05/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > I would go for the aluminium elbow at the bottom of the XS filler
> > moulding, get some coarse mesh attached at the lower end, then
> > ground the elbow with every other metal bit, including of course
> > the filler cap.
>
>I'm unclear what problem this is solving. Static generated in the fill
>pipe? The Fiberglass Tank and Pipe Institute say that static charge in
>nonconductive pipe is all about velocity, with fuel flow of 12 ft/sec is
>a typical threshold. In the Europa Mk 1 filler pipe, that requires 120
>gal/minute! But such velocity can be created by whirlpooling fuel down
>a plastic funnel, and thus refiners say don't ever do that
Fred
My plan is to dissipate any static charge generated. We know it does arise,
G-BWDP caught fire. I am reliant on the memories of two guys, one of whom
got burnt on the arm, so their memory of the sequence of events might have
been diluted by the trauma at the time.
Considering the velocities involved, the worst case is the speed of the
air/fluid flow through the breather tube, (which also slows down filling)
eventually the breather lower end is submerged, it's fuel that has to flow
then. DPs fire happened right at the end of refuelling .
Graham
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| Subject: | Static Charges and how to avoid them |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All.
I've been watching this thread for a while. Surely there is a case for
having the vents away from the filler like port side near the flap drive
bracket slot? ( Like mine although I don't claim that was the reason I put
it there, actually I wanted a siphon bottle in the roof so the final exit is
well away from the filler anyway)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Fuel Outlet Rubber Hose Replacement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering if the Europa supplied hose is adaquate for this task, as
mine appears to gape around the reinforcement at the outer edge of the hose
clamp. This may well be normal, but it makes me wonder whether there is a
better quality hose available. Any assistance will certainly be appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Rotax 912ULS EGT |
05/19/2003 09:54:19 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All,
I have been searching for information about deploying EGT sensors on a 912S
for the past week and have found nothing useful on the web, on the on-line
Rotax
manuals, or even in the archive of this group and the Club Hints & Tips.
Therefore I called Lockwood Aviation and got some specific data from the
best Rotax expert I know which I here share with the group for general
interest sake:
1) EGT is not particularly useful on the 912 series (I went for it anyway,
$80 for 2)
2) The Katana was certificated without one (Actually I seem to remember the
one I flew
had one)
3) The cognoscenti (i.e., Lockwood Aviation, FlightCrafters, etc) strongly
prefer the
bayonet type with the welded bearing nut or bung to the hose clamp type
4) The sensor to use is the Westach 4D6K or equivalent
5) Placement should be in the headers from cylinders 1,3 or 2,4 at 70mm
from the
mounting flange.
6) Be careful to pick a drill axis so that the long exterior head of the
probe does not
interfere with the cowl
Ira N224XS just some wiring and the exterior finish to go
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 5/19/2003 9:55:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu writes:
> EGT is not particularly useful on the 912 series
>
> The old addage from my ultralight days was "an EGT will tell you if you are
> about to french fry your engine. A CHT will tell you you just french fried
> you engine"
>
> Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Hi,
I sent out a message advising that I had produced the two tubes
necessary for the recommended oturigger pivot mod. Of the several
correspondents contacted, only one replied - and he was surprised I was
still at it. The mod involves beefing up the pivot to reduce inevitable
'play' and Nigel Charles provided scarce tubing bits because the acquisition
involved considerably more minimal tubing than needed by one person.
I have done the same (for those of North American persuasion) as
far as the tubing is concerned. The other mod parts are more easily acquired
locally - and the cost is negligible.
So this is general message to request those who were interested
to confirm I can send out the kits.
Cheers,
ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Ferg
Yup, please send and let me know how and where to send a check. Please
note a change in my email address.
Thank you,
Tom Friedland
beecho@beecho.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Hi,
I sent out a message advising that I had produced the two
tubes
necessary for the recommended oturigger pivot mod. Of the several
correspondents contacted, only one replied - and he was surprised I was
still at it. The mod involves beefing up the pivot to reduce inevitable
'play' and Nigel Charles provided scarce tubing bits because the
acquisition
involved considerably more minimal tubing than needed by one person.
I have done the same (for those of North American
persuasion) as
far as the tubing is concerned. The other mod parts are more easily
acquired
locally - and the cost is negligible.
So this is general message to request those who were
interested
to confirm I can send out the kits.
Cheers,
ferg
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| Subject: | Spark Plug Color |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
hi group,
I have now noticed my #1 spark plugs are noticeably darker than the other
three cylinders. It has been this way since day one, but I was hoping for
improvement with engine break in.
Has anyone out there run into this? The plug color is borderline "black"
velvet. I have black spitting out the exhaust somewhat and also my mag check
shows a larger drop than I would like to see.
One thing after another!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Check out http://www.survivalproductsinc.com/ for rafts.
Also of interest (particularly on my side of the Atlantic) is the recent
approval of 406 MHz Personal Locator Beacons by our FCC
http://www.equipped.org/plb_legal.htm These are far less expensive than
STC'ed 406 MHz ELTs and unlike the 121.5 trash, might actually save your
life, and not just in the water.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Survival
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Your flex-wing technique may have merit as a few years ago a Channel
ditched flex-wing sank with its pilot, who could not get out of the seat. I
don't know the full details but presume that structural deformation of the
trike tubes upon impact had 'locked' him in.
Flying the Channel (or the Irish Sea) with a companion aircraft has not been
mentioned, but must greatly improve the chances of rescue and survival.
Duncan McFadyean
PS my money is on the life raft so far in this debate! Where can I get a
LIGHTWEIGHT 2-man version?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Taylor" <kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Survival
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor"
<kevin@eastyorkshire.co.uk>
>
> David,
>
> I think you have a point and my theory of jumping from the flex wing maybe
> ought not to be carried over to the 3 axis.
>
> I always considered that if I did land on water I would do my best to
stall
> it on and risk a heavy flop rather than flipping over from forward
momentum.
>
> Interesting information you bring to the forum and my thanks for that.
Looks
> like the info I was given was probably more negative on survival time than
> it needed to be.
>
> Last year when we had a mass flex wing crossing of the Irish sea I tried
to
> contact the RNLI several times via email to no avail.
>
> The channel doesn't concern me so much due to the reasonably short
distance
> and the ships there are plenty to pick one up.
>
> As for the Irish sea well that feels a lonely place with not so many. Due
to
> the D201 Dublin ATC lack of help and the general poor radio coverage
between
> Caernarfon and Dublin I probably wont go that route again in future.
>
> I have now fitted a Transponder to my aircraft as I got fed up of not been
> allowed service because I have no transponder.
>
> On that issue when returning from France recently I was refused FIS for
the
> channel crossing return leg because I didn't have a transponder. They told
> me they wouldn't activate a flight plan and I should call London Info. Not
> much help when you are near Abbeville. I managed to activate my plan about
> one third of the way across which wouldn't have been much help had I have
> gone down as no one knew I was there.
>
> Regards
>
> Kev T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of david joyce
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Survival
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
>
> I have done a bit of searching round the topic. The Air Accident Invest
> Board site searched for Ditching gives some interesting info:
> In the 10 reports produced there was no incident where anyone with
a
> lifejacket ditched in a controlled way and did not survive. A PA28 ditched
> off Guernsey with two pax wearing life jackets and pilot without. The
plane
> floated long enough for them to get out on to the wing, inflate the dinghy
> and for the pilot to go back into the plane to get all his kit into the
> dinghy. He ditched with flaps down and gear up.
> A Robin however with fixed gear flipped over on landing. This was
a
> night flight which would not have helped, but it could just be that in
among
> these two incidents there is a fringe message to add to the mono vs
trigear
> debate! Neither pilot was wearing the life jacket available in the
aircraft,
> and while one swam to shore the other apparently took off in the wrong
> direction and drowned.
> They give a graph for 'Likely Survival Time for a Relatively
> Thin Person in Calm Water with no Liferaft'. This compares survival with
> just lightweight summer clothing and a survival suit with trousers, long
> johns, shirt and heavy pullover. This doesn't seem a totally equable
> comparison, but does make the point that the insulation qualities of the
> survival suit depend on you wearing thick clothing underneath it, which
from
> Kevin's account is not too attractive a proposition. They give the
following
> survival times:
> At 5 deg C - S. suit 1 hr 50mins; summer cloths 50 mins.
> At 10 deg C - S suit 3 hrs; summer cloths 1 hr
> The sea temp in the Channel and Irish Sea at present according to Ant
Veals
> weather site is around 12 deg C. I haven't got temps for mid winter but it
> is difficult to imagine it will be below 5 deg. Kevins acdvice about
> survival times in the Irish Sea in May clearly came from a different hymn
> sheet than the AAIB one. In all the AAIB comment and discussion I have
waded
> through there is heavy emphasis on having user friendly lifejackets, and
> always wearing them, and talk also about dinghies but no mention of the
> desirability of Survival Suits.
> In relation to the question of flipping over or trying to jump
out
> sooner it is worth saying that the guys in the Robin got out without
trouble
> from the upturned plane, and I think I would prefer my chances of doing
that
> (as long as I had a good four point harness) rather than risking being
> clobbered by some part of the plane while jumping out, or misjudging the
> timing and having it land on top of you or immediately in front. I am also
> not sure that hitting a wave at 40 kts would be a pleasant experience, and
> it might just be enough to tear your life jacket off. The AAIB detailed
one
> instance where the guy only had a lap strap, hit the water at speed and
had
> head injuries which stopped him getting out. The website for anyone
> interested is www.aaib.dft.gov.uk Regards, David
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Monowheel for FS 2000/2002 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven B. Janicki" <longezav8r@yahoo.com>
Hello, I am looking for a Europa Monowheel for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000/2002.
Any leads appreciated. Regards, Steven
Regards,
Steven
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Very true. When the interior of my 912S silencer collapsed it was only the
very high EGT that flashed up on my EIS (Brilliant) that stopped me damaging
the engine. I would be reluctant to fly without in future.
Rick Morris G-RIKS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Outlet Rubber Hose Replacement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Europa have changed the hose it supplies, because of poor experience with
the existing. The type provided with my kit was quite thin and flexible and
cloth braided on the outside. I consulted some auto repair mates and they
said they would not fit it on a car because it would start leaking after a
couple of years.
The stuff Europa supplied with the fuel drain mod kit was clearly superior.
I suggest you check with the factory on the spec of the hose they are now
supplying or replace with good quality auto hose.
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Outlet Rubber Hose Replacement
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering if the Europa supplied hose is adaquate for this task, as
> mine appears to gape around the reinforcement at the outer edge of the
hose
> clamp. This may well be normal, but it makes me wonder whether there is a
> better quality hose available. Any assistance will certainly be
appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Ferg,
What is the cost for the outrigger kit? I would like to get one
(presuming it is a kit for two wheels) :-))
Jim Nelson
N15JN (42 hours+)
Love the challenge on every take off and landing.
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| Subject: | Re: Spark Plug Color |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
all engines using the otto cycle are crap
but they work
as witnessed by the last 80 years or so
don't expect super efficiency they are propably only 70% if your lucky
one plug showing a variation on the others!!!!!
count your blessings
forget it and enjoy your flying
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I can't find the EGT in the Rotax manuals. What max temperature did you set
it to on the EIS ?
Regards, Karl
>From: RMRRick@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912ULS EGT
>Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:57:40 EDT
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
>Very true. When the interior of my 912S silencer collapsed it was only the
>very high EGT that flashed up on my EIS (Brilliant) that stopped me
>damaging
>the engine. I would be reluctant to fly without in future.
>
>Rick Morris G-RIKS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS EGT |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
EGT EIS warning set at 860.
Rick
G-RIKS
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| Subject: | Re: Static Charges and how to avoid them |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
> Fred
> My plan is to dissipate any static charge generated. We know it
> does arise, G-BWDP caught fire. I am reliant on the memories of
> two guys, one of whom got burnt on the arm, so their memory of
> the sequence of events might have been diluted by the trauma at
> the time.
> ...
Graham, were both the above incidents while hoisting up fuel containers
to pour in fuel? In that case, refiners say a metal can is more
hazardous than plastic (why they're hard to find in stores here). If
you know of two such incidents, then maybe there is indeed an especial
hazard with fiberglass airplanes. The following is quoted from a doc
(by NZ's CAAA) reprinted by FAA, discussing fueling from portable
containers:
"No amount of bonding and grounding will prevent discharges from
occurring inside a fuel tank [in context, this includes metal tanks
too]. Bonding, however, will ensure that the fueling equipment and the
receiving tank are at the same potential...."
"Place the container on ground. Keep the nozzle in contact with the
container inlet during fuel transfer."
"A composite aircraft is more likely to develop and sustain a static
charge because of the low conductivity of the fiberglass structure."
IOW, a safe way is a metal can preferably on the ground, metal nozzle
and conductive hose, bonding wire from can to filler opening, stand
clear of A/C. Pump it in with electric or hand pump, with flow rate in
the hose below the magic # of 12 ft/sec (30 gal/min in a 1" ID hose),
which should be no problem in an affordable pump!
Best,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Spark Plug Color |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bill.sue@zip.co.nz" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
Dave,
Mine is exactly the same but runs well at over 100 hrs now.
I would not be worried
Bill
On Mon, 19 May 2003 12:34:52 EDT, DJA727@aol.com wrote :
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> hi group,
>
> I have now noticed my #1 spark plugs are noticeably darker than the other
> three cylinders. It has been this way since day one, but I was hoping for
> improvement with engine break in.
>
> Has anyone out there run into this? The plug color is borderline "black"
> velvet. I have black spitting out the exhaust somewhat and also my mag
check
> shows a larger drop than I would like to see.
>
> One thing after another!
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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