---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/25/03: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:57 AM - Re: Outrigger mod (craig ellison) 2. 09:44 AM - Re: Static Charges and how to avoid them (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 3. 12:04 PM - Microair transponder (Kevin Taylor) 4. 02:29 PM - Re: Microair transponder (Tim Ward) 5. 02:44 PM - bonding top wing panel (Mike) 6. 03:00 PM - Re: Spar Pins (DvdPar@aol.com) 7. 03:52 PM - Re: Spar Pins (Kevin Klinefelter) 8. 04:30 PM - Re: Spar Pins (DvdPar@aol.com) 9. 06:33 PM - Re: Static Charges and how to avoid them (Fred Fillinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:29 AM PST US From: "craig ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" Hi Ferg, I would be interested in the outrigger pivot mod. Please send me necessary info and cost. thanks craig ellison A205 Silverton, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger mod > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > Hi, > I sent out a message advising that I had produced the two tubes > necessary for the recommended oturigger pivot mod. Of the several > correspondents contacted, only one replied - and he was surprised I was > still at it. The mod involves beefing up the pivot to reduce inevitable > 'play' and Nigel Charles provided scarce tubing bits because the acquisition > involved considerably more minimal tubing than needed by one person. > I have done the same (for those of North American persuasion) as > far as the tubing is concerned. The other mod parts are more easily acquired > locally - and the cost is negligible. > So this is general message to request those who were interested > to confirm I can send out the kits. > Cheers, > ferg > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:57 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Static Charges and how to avoid them --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com So am I to conclude that there should be two separate electrical bonds in the plane? One for all the regular things that need electrons to operate (lights, engine, instruments, etc.) and a separate one that bonds the various nonoperating parts of the fueling systems to a single point that one can attach a ramp ground wire to and the container that the fuel is presently in when refueling. For those people that drive up to a fuel pump at a gas station and insert a fuel nozzle to fill the tank, anyone have any special safety tips for this procedure? Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Trigear ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:42 PM PST US From: "Kevin Taylor" Subject: Europa-List: Microair transponder --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" Tried fitting a microair transponder to my plane but appear to have problem. 2 transponders both new both do the same. All the segments are black on the display and if you look from the side you can just see the number underneath. But it just isn't useable. I'm not using alt encoder etc so have connected just the 2 live pins and 2 ground pins. And Aerial of course Regards Kev T Anyone any ideas --- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:19 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Microair transponder --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward Kevin, Use the backlight by pressing the ON button lightly once for the first level of backlighting, and twice for the second level of backlighting. In the instructions. Cheers, Tim Kevin Taylor wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Taylor" > > Tried fitting a microair transponder to my plane but appear to have problem. 2 transponders both new both do the same. > > All the segments are black on the display and if you look from the side you can just see the number underneath. But it just isn't useable. > > I'm not using alt encoder etc so have connected just the 2 live pins and 2 ground pins. > > And Aerial of course > > Regards > > Kev T > > Anyone any ideas > > --- > -- Timothy P Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064 3 3515166 email ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mobile 025 2649325 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:23 PM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: Europa-List: bonding top wing panel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike" Does everybody have 2x12ft sections of 1inch section steel tube? If not then how did you weight the panel for the bonding process? Thanks Mike Gamble ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:11 PM PST US From: DvdPar@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar Pins --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com Thanks kevin, second look and you are correct, but still have a second washer? Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:02 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Spar Pins --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Dave, figure 10 on page 27-12 shows both washers location. Step 14 tells how the second one goes in. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DvdPar@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar Pins --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com Thanks kevin, second look and you are correct, but still have a second washer? Dave ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:51 PM PST US From: DvdPar@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar Pins --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com Kevin, thanks I,ve read it properly now. Dave ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:01 PM PST US From: Fred Fillinger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Static Charges and how to avoid them --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > So am I to conclude that there should be two separate electrical bonds > in the plane? One for all the regular things that need electrons to > operate (lights, engine, instruments, etc.) and a separate one that > bonds the various nonoperating parts of the fueling systems to a > single point that one can attach a ramp ground wire to and the > container that the fuel is presently in when refueling. There is no need for the A/C's electrical system ground be involved, but a practical consideration is that airport fueling personnel will attach the bonding wire to the exhaust pipe. One need minimally only bond the metal filler opening, so I suppose one could placard the filler to that effect and provide a means of attaching the clip. If by "bonding the various nonoperating parts of the fueling system" means other than the filler cap, then I believe that's more hazardous. What will happen is that any static accumulating in the vicinity of those metal parts will be sent to the filler cap, unnecessarily raising its voltage potential. If the filler cap is also earthed in some way, then there's no hazard. Even one's body can drain off the charge if the conditions are right. However, it's best to leave any static deep inside the system, and this is the reason that filling an ungrounded metal can is more hazardous than a plastic container, where static charges tend to remain where they accumulate. Regards, Fred F.