---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/30/03: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:23 AM - Re: Araldite 420 - (how much for cockpit module) (Nigel Charles) 2. 08:02 AM - Re: Araldite 420 - (how much for cockpit module) (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 3. 02:30 PM - C-FIRS First Flight (KARL HEINDL) 4. 07:35 PM - Re: C-FIRS First Flight (Peter Zutrauen) 5. 09:19 PM - Re: C-FIRS First Flight (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:26 AM PST US From: "Nigel Charles" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420 - (how much for cockpit module) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" >I am looking for some more as we are close to bonding in the cockpit module which I guess you could call a structural joint. Also I am not sure we have enough. It talks about 800 grams in the manual, I think we have about 700 grams.< I wouldn't start that particular job unless I knew I had plenty to spare. I know my kit took a fair bit more than the factory estimated but the earlier kits needed more as the moulding didn't fit quite as closely. It is much easier to wipe away excess than to add where you are short. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:24 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420 - (how much for cockpit module) --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 5/29/2003 8:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Darren.Turner@utas.edu.au writes: > Can people tell me how much they needed? > Darren, I used closer to 1000 grams on my CM. Of course, some of it squeezes out and ends up being wiped off, but that is better than having voids. The main thing with bonding in the CM is have plenty of help on hand. You will need at least two people to actually set the module, two to spread the bottom fuselage molding sides while you set the CM in place and one to take pictures. I had 5 people helping me and it was still tight on time to get the CM completely "buttered" and set before the Redux started curing. I had one person mixing, 4 people buttering, and one taking pictures. I used about 150, 3/4" self tapping screws, with 5/16" 6-point heads to hold everything in place until cured, but you could use ratcheting straps or cleco's. Actually, I would prefer self tapping screws over cleco's just because the clean-up is easier and I think you'd still have to use a few screws to get a good bond even with straps. Don't worry about all the holes, you'll fill them when you start the finish process. I would have 2 screw guns on hand with a couple of extra charged batteries if they are cordless. Also plenty of disposable gloves for everybody and plenty of paper towels. Some ice cold beer and or a grill full of burgers can be effective lures if you're having trouble gathering the necessary help. Use a drop light with a 100 watt bulb under the fuselage molding after you set the CM to make sure you don't have any voids. You will be amazed at how much it stiffens up the forward end of the fuselage molding! You'll also feel like you've really gotten something acomplished when it's over. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:02 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Europa-List: C-FIRS First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Finally, Ser. # 392 trigear made its first flight today, piloted by Chris Staines, who came a long way from London, Ontario in his own beautiful and well equipped 914 powered Classic Mono. He took off and made a perfect landing as if there was nothing to it. Everything seems to work and she flies straight and level, what more can you ask for. Built in the UK and more or less finished in October 2001, it took another 19 months to get to the maiden flight in Canada, I believe it is Europa No. 2 in Ontario. Looking forward to an exciting summer, and the glider wings are next (already in the basement). Cheers, Karl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:17 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: C-FIRS First Flight From: "Peter Zutrauen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" Hey Hey!!! Great stuff! Pity I missed the event..... I'll have to bring the bubbly down the next time I make it down your way! Woo Hoo! Just terrific - The Ontario gaggle is born. Now we just need Dave, Ferg and myself to get in the air (errr, I guess I should get started ;-). Does 5 make a 'squadron'? Apologies for the enthusiasm, but Europas are a rare breed here in Canada. Blue skies, Pete A239 -----Original Message----- From: KARL HEINDL [mailto:kheindl@msn.com] Sent: Fri 30/05/2003 5:28 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Cc: Subject: Europa-List: C-FIRS First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Finally, Ser. # 392 trigear made its first flight today, piloted by Chris Staines, who came a long way from London, Ontario in his own beautiful and well equipped 914 powered Classic Mono. He took off and made a perfect landing as if there was nothing to it. Everything seems to work and she flies straight and level, what more can you ask for. Built in the UK and more or less finished in October 2001, it took another 19 months to get to the maiden flight in Canada, I believe it is Europa No. 2 in Ontario. Looking forward to an exciting summer, and the glider wings are next (already in the basement). Cheers, Karl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:48 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: C-FIRS First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Karl. Congratulations. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL Subject: Europa-List: C-FIRS First Flight