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1. 11:45 AM - 914 mag check problem (DJA727@aol.com)
2. 12:07 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (Ronald J. Parigoris)
3. 12:37 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (RK Hallett III)
4. 01:44 PM - Europa Club memberships lapsed (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
5. 01:56 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (KARL HEINDL)
6. 04:59 PM - Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables (Doug Lawton)
7. 05:49 PM - Re: Holland, Germany, Sweden (Raimo Toivio)
8. 06:31 PM - Re: Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables (Troy Maynor)
9. 09:09 PM - Re: Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables (R.C.Harrison)
10. 10:57 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (DJA727@aol.com)
11. 10:58 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (DJA727@aol.com)
12. 11:01 PM - Re: 914 mag check problem (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello group,
I long for a good old reliable Lycoming engine! My 914 is now failing the mag
check and everything I try has actually made it worse. I have consulted with
Rotax and they have suggested several things - cleaning up the connections at
the plug wires, swapping plugs too to bottom to see if the situation reverses
(indicating a plug problem), changing the plugs to new.
The problem is I get a mag drop of 300 on circuit B and now 500 on circuit A.
At this point, with cleaned up wires, new plugs - it runs rough on mags A
and B one at a time, with the large drop coming on A still. I now cannot fly -
I
think it is even running rough with both mags on.
The latest suggestion is to check and clean up the ignition ground bolt by
the electronic boxes. Then, it is to again check the carb synch - THEN they need
to "see the engine", which can be a big problem where I live, since I won't
fly it until I figure out what is wrong.
One other thing I can say is I don't think I ever had a very good mag drop
since new. It was less than the limit of 300, but not by much compared to what
most people are telling me.
Any suggestions out there besides replacing the engine with one that a
control freak like me can adjust!
Dave
A227
Mini U2 (grounded)
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Dave
I must admit i never worked on a 914, but am Ok with motors.
A few questions:
How many hours on motor?
You running MoGas or 100LL?
Do you have a EGT, and is it running hot?
Is turbo working OK?
Did you check timing?
Could it be a carburation problem? I have a BMW R-100GS that uses Bing constant
velocity carbs, and carb snot is a problem. For Hahas, try a mag check with the
enriching circuit in rich mode and see if it makes a differance.
Is drop worst when motor is hot compared to cold?
Please don't take insult, did you try new plugs, that are at the proper gap and
are
of the correct heat range, and are properly torqued down?
Again i am not an expert. For my own knowledge, i would try having 1 mag run on
4
cylinders and the other run on 3 cylinders to see what a dead cylinder does to
the
drop. I would not run it with out grounding the dead cylinder wire. On some
ignitions you can damage without grounding.
Good luck
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Dave,
This problem has just started since its gotten hot. Any chance of
electrical system getting hot? I had a transistorized system on a car that
only crapped out when the Atemp got above 90 F.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 914 mag check problem
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> Hello group,
>
> I long for a good old reliable Lycoming engine! My 914 is now failing the
mag
> check and everything I try has actually made it worse. I have consulted
with
> Rotax and they have suggested several things - cleaning up the connections
at
> the plug wires, swapping plugs too to bottom to see if the situation
reverses
> (indicating a plug problem), changing the plugs to new.
>
> The problem is I get a mag drop of 300 on circuit B and now 500 on circuit
A.
> At this point, with cleaned up wires, new plugs - it runs rough on mags A
> and B one at a time, with the large drop coming on A still. I now cannot
fly - I
> think it is even running rough with both mags on.
>
> The latest suggestion is to check and clean up the ignition ground bolt by
> the electronic boxes. Then, it is to again check the carb synch - THEN
they need
> to "see the engine", which can be a big problem where I live, since I
won't
> fly it until I figure out what is wrong.
>
> One other thing I can say is I don't think I ever had a very good mag drop
> since new. It was less than the limit of 300, but not by much compared to
what
> most people are telling me.
>
> Any suggestions out there besides replacing the engine with one that a
> control freak like me can adjust!
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2 (grounded)
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Club memberships lapsed |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Folks - as I mentioned hereabouts a while back, there are still some
Europa Club members who haven't renewed for 2003/2004. As required by
the constitution, their membership lapses from 1st June and they will
not receive the next Europa Flyer, due out this month.
The following list of names is published not with the intent to
embarrass, but in the hope that it will nudge the memories of those
who really did intend to renew and somehow didn't get around to it.
Memberships lapsed from 1st June 2003:
Richard Allen, Sean Anglin, Colin Arkle, Michael Ashfield, Paul
Atkinson, Jim Barber, Steve Barker, Roger Barton, Andrew Beaumont,
David Bishop, David Bligh, Robert Bradbury, Joseph Brannen, Ian
Brookes, Stewart Buckingham, Rob Bull, Carl Busuttil-Reynaud, Chris
Cameron, Garry Carter, Graham Cattermole, Geoff Chapman, Graham
Clarke, Simon Clifton, David Conrad, Jeremy Constant, John Crane,
Robert Davies, Michael Dawson, Alan Day, Bill Dewey, Joe di Giorgio,
Michael Dobson, Ken Dodd, Mike Dolphin, Christian Folco, Ken Fraser,
Alan Gilbert, Les Glover, Chris Gray, Patrick Griffin, Jim
Gunnlaugson, John Hadley, Robert Hallam, John Hanna, Tim Harrison,
Paul Hawkins, Beverley Hill, Rupert Holdsworth, Colin Jones, Jeff
Jukes, Ray Knapp, Harold Kovac, Ed Lindsay, Anders Ljungqvist, David
Lockett, Edward Lockhart, Greger Lundesjo, Gary McKirdy, Jonathan
Moyle, Gordon Murray, Rob Neils, Colin Noakes, Derek O'Dwyer, Ray
Oliver, Kevin Pownall, Ben Price, Colin Prise, Brian Rauchfuss, Ken
Richardson, Peter Robson, Ed Roe, Joanne Rogers, Udo Schaefer, Rick
Sivier, Brian Staples, John Stephenson, Doug Steven, Nicholas Stokes,
David Tye, Ken Whittington, Richard Winkler.
Contact me off the list (at <europa-club@rowil.clara.net> or the
address in the signature) if you want to renew, please.
Back to normal service now!
do not archive
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Dave,
I don't really have a clue myself, but the instructor at a Katana Flying
School tells me that they have
ignition problems on very hot days. They use the bog standard 912, and they
say that the Ducati
ignition module tends to get too hot being right on top of the engine. They
would like to move
that box onto the firewall, but have their hands tied because it is a
certified engine.
Cheers, Karl
>From: DJA727@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: 914 mag check problem
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:44:26 EDT
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
>Hello group,
>
>I long for a good old reliable Lycoming engine! My 914 is now failing the
>mag
>check and everything I try has actually made it worse. I have consulted
>with
>Rotax and they have suggested several things - cleaning up the connections
>at
>the plug wires, swapping plugs too to bottom to see if the situation
>reverses
>(indicating a plug problem), changing the plugs to new.
>
>The problem is I get a mag drop of 300 on circuit B and now 500 on circuit
>A.
>At this point, with cleaned up wires, new plugs - it runs rough on mags A
>and B one at a time, with the large drop coming on A still. I now cannot
>fly - I
>think it is even running rough with both mags on.
>
>The latest suggestion is to check and clean up the ignition ground bolt by
>the electronic boxes. Then, it is to again check the carb synch - THEN they
>need
>to "see the engine", which can be a big problem where I live, since I won't
>fly it until I figure out what is wrong.
>
>One other thing I can say is I don't think I ever had a very good mag drop
>since new. It was less than the limit of 300, but not by much compared to
>what
>most people are telling me.
>
>Any suggestions out there besides replacing the engine with one that a
>control freak like me can adjust!
>
>
>Dave
>A227
>Mini U2 (grounded)
>
>
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
To all who go before me:
Any reason you can give me to "Not" install turnbuckles on my rudder cables
to be able to fine tune for cable stretch and personal preference in the
future?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
A244 XS Mono/Motoglider
NE Georgia, Whitwell TN, and Sefner FL (FlightCrafters) this week and next.
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| Subject: | Re: Holland, Germany, Sweden |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi>
David,
please add to your list also Finland!
G-BZAM would be the 2nd Europa
in the Finnish airspace, just after
Bobs G-PTAG (as I know).
Fly and experience mid-night-sun!
If so, please do not hesitate to
contact me!
Regards,
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi
www.rwm-systems.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Holland, Germany, Sweden
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
>
> I read messages earlier last week about the above countries.
>
> I am flying my Europa to join a UK organised flying tour of the Baltic States,
leaving UK on Saturday (weather permitting), and returning via Sweden and Odense
Denmark to visit Nils Kock the following weekend.
>
> We propose to stay on Saturday night in Groningen (highly recommended by members
of our Aero Club here at Shobdon), but I am curious to know whether, from
Holland, I can fly direct to an airfield in Germany which is not an airport of
entry - Anklam. I have been told that because both countries are Schengen agreement
countries, there is no need to go to an airport of entry.
>
> Any comments or other tips on or off forum would be much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> David
> G-BZAM UK 265
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Do it, but expect them to flap up and down on the fuselage floor. I added a
clamp around the nylon tubing that I encased them in to prevent this. I
encased them from the firewall to the first pulleys, resumed from there to
just beyond the cockpit module. It was at the extreme end of the CM that I
added the clamp to each cable. The turnbuckles are just aft of that. Also
they need support at the mass balance containment bulkhead. I borrowed these
ideas from those who went before.
Troy Maynor
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lawton <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
>To all who go before me:
>
>Any reason you can give me to "Not" install turnbuckles on my rudder cables
>to be able to fine tune for cable stretch and personal preference in the
>future?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Doug Lawton
>A244 XS Mono/Motoglider
>NE Georgia, Whitwell TN, and Sefner FL (FlightCrafters) this week and next.
>
>
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Doug.
No reason whatever. except when completely aligned front to back I have
passed the cables through plastic pipe guides about every 3ft.(where they
exit the tunnel,where they pass the "H" balance weight bump stop at least.)
If you oscillate the rudder whilst on the ground, by your feet on the
pedals, you can make the turnbuckles just catch the floor I have stuck a
little patch of felt on the floor in the appropriate place, there is no sign
of any wear.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Lawton
Subject: Europa-List: Turnbuckles on Rudder Cables
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
To all who go before me:
Any reason you can give me to "Not" install turnbuckles on my rudder cables
to be able to fine tune for cable stretch and personal preference in the
future?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
A244 XS Mono/Motoglider
NE Georgia, Whitwell TN, and Sefner FL (FlightCrafters) this week and next.
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:08:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
> I must admit i never worked on a 914, but am Ok with motors.
>
> A few questions:
>
> How many hours on motor?
>
######## 65 hours
> You running MoGas or 100LL?
>
#### mogas
> Do you have a EGT, and is it running hot?
>
Two cylinders have a big EGT rise when on single mag - can't be traced to any
component other than the plugs and wires - Plug #3 A circuit and #4 B
circuit.
> Is turbo working OK?
>
#### Yes - seems to be
> Did you check timing?
>
The timing is a fixed deal with pickups on the flywheel - no adjusting
possible......
> Could it be a carburation problem? I have a BMW R-100GS that uses Bing
> constant
> velocity carbs, and carb snot is a problem. For Hahas, try a mag check with
> the
> enriching circuit in rich mode and see if it makes a differance.
>
##### I checked the balance of the carbs -- they needed balancing. I thought
I had solved the problem. The run up is even worse with almost complete
cutting out on the A mag.
> Is drop worst when motor is hot compared to cold?
>
#### Seems to be worse when cold. When I first started today, O thought is
was extremely smooth -- the a lousy mag check again.
> Please don't take insult, did you try new plugs, that are at the proper gap
> and are
> of the correct heat range, and are properly torqued down?
>
#### yes to all.........
> Again i am not an expert. For my own knowledge, i would try having 1 mag
> run on 4
> cylinders and the other run on 3 cylinders to see what a dead cylinder does
> to the
> drop. I would not run it with out grounding the dead cylinder wire. On some
> ignitions you can damage without grounding.
>
### thank you for the inputs. The great mystery continues and I age yet
another day!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:38:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
n100rh@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Dave,
> This problem has just started since its gotten hot. Any chance of
> electrical system getting hot? I had a transistorized system on a car that
> only crapped out when the Atemp got above 90 F.
>
Thanks - I will ask Rotax about this tomorrow when I call for some more fun
trouble shooting!\\
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 914 mag check problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 6/4/2003 1:57:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, kheindl@msn.com
writes:
>
> I don't really have a clue myself, but the instructor at a Katana Flying
> School tells me that they have
> ignition problems on very hot days. They use the bog standard 912, and they
> say that the Ducati
> ignition module tends to get too hot being right on top of the engine. They
> would like to move
> that box onto the firewall, but have their hands tied because it is a
> certified engine.
>
I am doing these runs now with the cowing off, so I don't think the temp is
the problem. I will be swapping plug wires tomorrow to see if I can isolate the
trouble - the two cylinders I have a 150 degree rise vs about a 40 degree
rise for the other 6 plugs.
Dave
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