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1. 12:36 AM - Re: offer (Jos Okhuijsen)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: Batteries true or false? (Jos Okhuijsen)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Batteries true or false? (Fred Fillinger)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Batteries (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: Batteries true or false? (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
6. 10:37 AM - Re: LEDs (Leo J. Corbalis)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: Failures (Ami McFadyean)
8. 12:30 PM - Time and distance (david.corbett)
9. 12:52 PM - LG02 (Jim Butcher)
10. 01:00 PM - Re: Time and distance (R.C.Harrison)
11. 01:06 PM - Attention Gerry Holland. (R.C.Harrison)
12. 01:16 PM - Tri-gear bungee tightening (Mark Burton)
13. 01:20 PM - Bidford Fly-in (James NAYLOR)
14. 02:37 PM - Re: Europa covers wanted (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
15. 02:38 PM - Re: Attention Gerry Holland. (Gerry Holland)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Tri-gear bungee tightening (Gerry Holland)
17. 03:41 PM - Tap Help (ScramIt@aol.com)
18. 03:53 PM - Tap help <-- ignore found in archives (ScramIt@aol.com)
19. 04:11 PM - Brush Seal / Closure (Kingsley Hurst)
20. 04:14 PM - Motor Glider performance (Ronald J. Parigoris)
21. 04:15 PM - Re: Brush Seal / Closure (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
22. 05:43 PM - Re: Brush Seal / Closure (David Glauser)
23. 07:02 PM - Re: Tri-gear bungee tightening (KARL HEINDL)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
What a pity, i planned to put this offer on long ago, but have been
thinking "tomorrow" all the time.
From Kiruna it's just a small hop to Ivalo! Let me know whenever you
intend to go up North again, as i will arrange for you outside the
alotment of needed.
Jos
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Jos.
>Sorry to have missed your offer. I was quite near you 10 days ago from
>Kiruna to Tromso pity I didn't know then ! 3,561 Nm over 10 days ...39 hours
>flight time and back through Shetland to Scotland. The 24 hour VFR takes the
>pressure off deadlines too but the GPS turned to night mode as sun set time
>met sunrise time!
>Regards
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI 337/Jabiru 3300#084
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jos
>Okhuijsen
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: offer
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
>
>For the first 5 europa crews to arrive at Ivalo airport EFIV (Finnish
>Lapland, daylaight VFR 24 hrs until the 18th of August) we offer up to
>one week in one of our D-type bungalows in our holiday village (
>http://www.ukolo.fi ) and transfers from and to the airport for no other
>compensation then showing your plane and taking me up for a short trip.
>If you are interested, contact me at josok@ukolo.fi or call me at
>+358445007853 for details, maps or any other information.
>
>Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries true or false? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
The rotax engines have an oldfashioned coil-fixed nagnets built-in type
type of generator. There is no field coil, not needed because of the
fixed magnets. There is no collector.So reliability is likely to be
better then a normal external generator. The weak point here is
probably the regulator/rectifier. The capacity of this built-in
generator is so small however, that i don't think it will fry the
battery, not while flying and other load is on. Worst case i can think
of is a shorted rectifier or regulator, which will blow the 60 A fuse
from the Europa diagram. So we are still flying on the battery for some
time, but i wonder what will happen to the field coils, can they be
shorted without smoke or?
Who knows what is in that box?
Jos Okhuijsen
Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>Hey Guys
>
>I posed a question to Lockwood Aviation in FL a while back about using 2
>alternators and 2 batteries to keep fuel pumps running.
>
>He thought it was not necessary.
>
>He said that the alternator has some sort of seperate winding or redundency (?)
>to keep a fuel pump going in the event the battery and primary windings in
>alternator failed.
>
>Is this true or false?
>
>He said Rotax thought the problem through quite well?
>
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries true or false? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
> He said that the alternator has some sort of seperate winding or redundency (?)
> to keep a fuel pump going in the event the battery and primary windings in
> alternator failed.
>
> Is this true or false?
>
> He said Rotax thought the problem through quite well?
The manual diagrams 8 series connected coils. Suppose they could have
paralleled a pair of 4 coils, but I'm guessing that won't give you the
desired output even with necessarily much bigger coils.
It should be something which can be made to work when unearthed in an
archeological dig a thousand years from now. However, the big stator
recall, though believe the ignition part of it, was just a stupid wire
or two failing!
Best,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 6/24/2003 8:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fillinger@ameritech.net writes:
> The reliability of recombinant gas batteries not
> approved by FAA is so far anecdotal.
We noticed the RG batteries do not hold up well if your A/C is operated off a
rough field. They don't take being bumped around very well. We found this out
the hard way in our Pawnee tow plane after helping out a neighboring glider
club with a contest. Their runway is pretty rough (so rough I won't go back)
and it wound up shorting out a cell in the Pawnee's RG battery, causing it to
fail. If you operate off a rough field you might want to consider a sealed
battery in lieu of an RG battery.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Batteries true or false? |
06/25/2003 10:24:52 AM,
Serialize complete at 06/25/2003 10:24:52 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
06/25/03 08:53 AM
Please respond to europa-list
To: europa-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Batteries true or false?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
Who knows what is in that box?
The Rotax regulator box is apparently an Austrian state secret, no even
Bob Nuckoll's has been privy to its contents
(per recent communications)
Ira
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I built a lighting system for my instruments using 5mm focused red LEDs. I
control the brightness by varying the ON time of 555 square wave generator.
The frequency is about 1000 hz. which is plenty fast to appear smooth to the
eye. There is NO noise on the radio or intercom. I didn't add any extra caps
than the circuit calls for. See Kitplanes Mar. 01. DON'T put LEDs in
paralell, one will turn on first and hog all the current. LEDs are not made
to meet an exact turn on voltage. Put a separate current limiting resistor
in series with each LED. The Europa wasn't available when I started my
Zodiac kit. I flew the B-47 so I have some experience with bicycle landing
gear.
Leo Corbalis
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
50 years old eh?
That'll be Lycont technology then, not Rotax.
DuncanMcF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: Failures
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> "Your assumption of 1 failure of alternator or regulater to be 1 on 1000
> hours can't be realistic.
> Back to cars, in the 40 years i have been driving, 3.500.000 km, about
> 500.000 hours, i never had an alternator, regulator nor battery failure."
>
> How many cars/alternators/batteries was that?
> I've got a fifty-year-old ax here, Eight new heads and four handles and
> she's good as new.
> Ferg
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| Subject: | Time and distance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Hello Bob,
How did you manage to take 39 hours to fly 3561 NM, which I calculate to be an
average of 91 kts?
My Baltic States trip, also 10 days (but 9 days flying) was 2872 NM in 26 hrs 15
mins. What revs do you cruise at?
My fuel consumption was 400 litres, ie 15.2 per hour - at 5000 rpm.
Which days will you be at Kemble?
David
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
We're trying to assemble the mono landing swing arm. The tube LG02A that goes
into LG02B for the bungee cord is incredibly tight fit. Anyone else found this?
Do you just drive it thru or open up the holes in LG02B?
Thanks
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Time and distance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! David.
Probably head winds and circuitious routes trying to get off the sea and
avoid cloud ? We only flew 6 days actual 1.5 days off in Stockholm, 2 days
weathered in 1/2 day off in Scotland.
My RPM was 2,300 all the way since I don't have a screaming gear box !
I hope to be at Kemble for the Friday only.
regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
david.corbett
Subject: Europa-List: Time and distance
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Hello Bob,
How did you manage to take 39 hours to fly 3561 NM, which I calculate to be
an average of 91 kts?
My Baltic States trip, also 10 days (but 9 days flying) was 2872 NM in 26
hrs 15 mins. What revs do you cruise at?
My fuel consumption was 400 litres, ie 15.2 per hour - at 5000 rpm.
Which days will you be at Kemble?
David
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| Subject: | Attention Gerry Holland. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Gerry .
Your e-mail address has changed ? Are you trying to tell me something?!"
regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Tri-gear bungee tightening |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
Hello tri-gear operators,
Does anyone have a smart way of getting the nose-leg bungee tensioned?
I find it awfully difficult to get enough tension into the bungee.
Cheers,
Mark
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "James NAYLOR" <jim@naylor144.fsnet.co.uk>
UK flyers, builders and interested parties, don't forget our Annual fly-in
is on next Saturday 28th June, at Bidford on Avon Gliding Centre, There will
be a BBQ going on from about noon, or you can sample a bit of Italy from our
resident chef in the club house. Gliding flights will be available for
anyone wishing to try an alternate form of flying.
Bidford is a bit un-conventional so you must give me a ring for info on
arrival/departure procedures if you have not been before. There is no radio
control, but we use 129.975 to report joining and position in the circuit,
you may get a response for info on the radio, but if not just look out for
the landing 'T' next to the caravan at the Eastern threshold and land
accordingly. Circuits are always to the South, and always turn left directly
after landing just in case there is a glider right behind you, remember he
can't go around so he needs to know what you are going to do after your roll
out. Don't be put off though it is not a difficult field and there is
plenty of room (800M) and armed with a bit of knowledge it all works well.
Phone me at home any evening on 01675 481504 or on the day, mobile for last
minute info 07947 897666
Jim Naylor
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| Subject: | Europa covers wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 11:19 -0400 on 24-06-03, Chuck Popenoe wrote:
>I for one, and I suppose that others in the forum would love to have more
>details and photos of your hangar/trailer. Please write it up and put it on
>the Europa Club Mods page.
Chuck - I snaffled Nigel's illustrations from his presentation at the
recent Europa Club seminar in Frimley. They are now included in the
CD of goodies that goes to all new members, but we could also put
them on the members-only area of the website if Jeremy is agreeable
... they would need some html wrapping.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (570 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
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| Subject: | Re: Attention Gerry Holland. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Hi! Gerry .
> Your e-mail address has changed ? Are you trying to tell me something?!"
> regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
That's for me to know and you to wonder!!!
Ere' tis!
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear bungee tightening |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Mark Hi!
>
> Does anyone have a smart way of getting the nose-leg bungee tensioned?
> I find it awfully difficult to get enough tension into the bungee.
>
NO!
It is definitely a 2 man job. One to pull down and one to hold or 'lock' as
the bungee is further wound on.
Space is the other consideration. I have removed all the area corresponding
to the Monowheel space and it's covered by a flush cover. That gives me an
access area of at least 10" X 15". Flush some additional space above this in
the area immediately around Front Leg hinge.
Another observation is that 150 kgs seems very hard to obtain when tested
without Tail-plane and Wings attached. i.e. Only Engine and Prop weights
taken into consideration.
Hopefully Neville may see this request of yours and add some of his wisdom!
God help us!!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
I need to tap the 12 mm x 1.75 for the flap pins. I can't find any that say
coarse thread. McMaster Carr has them in size D6 and D3 is the D6 size the
right one? While I'm ordering do I need any other sizes later? Sure would be nice
to have the manual in PDF format so I could search it, Hint... Hint
Thanks,
SteveD.
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| Subject: | Tap help <-- ignore found in archives |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Tap help <-- ignore found in archives
Sorry,
SteveD.
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| Subject: | Brush Seal / Closure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Hello All
Does anybody know where I can procure suitable brush devices to instal in/on
the slots where the undercarriage and throttle levers travel ?
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Motor Glider performance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious about performance of the Motorglider.
I have limited experiance in gliders. Perhaps 50 hours.
Just some 2-33, 2-32, 1-26 flying, and some Blanick (not sure exact model but
think it was metal and at least the Te was swept foward? and Lark flying (not
sure bout model, but glass and slippy).
Is it remote similar to any of the above?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Brush Seal / Closure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 6/25/2003 7:12:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
> Does anybody know where I can procure suitable brush devices to instal
> in/on
> the slots where the undercarriage and throttle levers travel ?
Let me know if you find any. I'd like to find a similar brush arrangement
that I could use in the anti-servo and flap drive slots to keep the critters (mud
dobbers) out.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Brush Seal / Closure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
McMaster-Carr has strip brushes on page 1089 of the catalog. Go to http://www.mcmaster.com/ and search for "strip brushes". A 3' piece of nylon brush, 3/16" thick with 1" bristles, will set you back a princely $7.23 US.
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com [mailto:TELEDYNMCS@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brush Seal / Closure
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 6/25/2003 7:12:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
> Does anybody know where I can procure suitable brush devices to instal
> in/on
> the slots where the undercarriage and throttle levers travel ?
Let me know if you find any. I'd like to find a similar brush arrangement
that I could use in the anti-servo and flap drive slots to keep the critters (mud
dobbers) out.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear bungee tightening |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Mark,
I installed the bungee on y own initially and then found it too soft after
mounting the engine.
It is a job for two pairs of hands. We lay underneath the fuselage. One guy
holds the bungee
tightly or hangs on it, while the other feeds the next loop. That way is
very easy, but assumes
that you left the fuselage open underneath the frame.
Cheers, Karl
>From: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Tri-gear bungee tightening
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:16:30 +0100 (BST)
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton <markb@ordern.com>
>
>
>Hello tri-gear operators,
>
>Does anyone have a smart way of getting the nose-leg bungee tensioned?
>I find it awfully difficult to get enough tension into the bungee.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mark
>
>
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