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1. 01:55 AM - Re: upholsterer, SW UK (G-IANI)
2. 06:21 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Fred Fillinger)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (DJA727@aol.com)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Ronald J. Parigoris)
5. 11:34 AM - Attention Roger Mills (Sheffield) (R.C.Harrison)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: upholsterer, SW UK (Ian Mansfeld)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: upholsterer, SW UK (Ian Mansfeld)
8. 11:52 AM - Re: Brush Seal / Closure (Ami McFadyean)
9. 09:50 PM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | upholsterer, SW UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Contact details for Matt Leach are:-
2 The Chapel
Perranwell
Goonhaven Road
Truro
TR4 9PB Telephone 01872 571724
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Mansfeld
Subject: Europa-List: upholsterer, SW UK
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
I have heard that Mathew Leach does good upholstery work in Europa's, but
unfortunatley the telephone number that I have for him is wrong. Can anyone
tell me a good number or e-mail address for him?
TIA, Ian.
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
> The new fangled Nickel Metal Hydride cells are pretty amazing. If
> I made up a Zapped 12 cell pack of lets say 2600mAs, unloaded
> voltage would be 14.4 volts.
For emergency backup such for the 914 pump, rechargeables have a
self-discharge problem making them undesirable as a standalone source.
Though one could constantly trickle charge them with the main system at
a rate which doesn't warm them up. OTOH, shelf life of alkalines is
several years and they are dated, but you're right in that you'll get
better high-discharge rate performance from NiMH's.
The 2600 mAh spec is not comparable to that for storage batteries. A
spec sheet may say 18,000 mAh for an alkaline D-cell, but that's at a
minuscule discharge rate down to .8V. The graph in Energizer's "Pink
Bunny" spec sheet stops at 1 amp discharge rate (the pump is 3A for
planning purposes), and the curve of the line suggests we're looking at
minutes here! It would certainly take a pack of 2 x 8 or 2 x 9 D-Cells,
and then only after test like Dave did.
I note that Dave didn't get 2 hours of 3A pumping on a 7 Ah battery,
terminating at 10+ volts per that usual spec, because it may be based on
a 20-hour discharge rate.
Best,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 6/27/2003 6:22:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fillinger@ameritech.net writes:
> note that Dave didn't get 2 hours of 3A pumping on a 7 Ah battery,
> terminating at 10+ volts per that usual spec, because it may be based on
> a 20-hour discharge rate.
>
>
I suspect my battery is needing replacing. It seems to lose its charge faster
than it should. I was still pumping away at the 1 hour point though, and got
tired of watching it. I think a good condition battery will make the 2 hours.
I don't want to over kill this situation -- just keep the airplane running
and get it on the ground.
The 727 when down to standby power -- battery back up for the electrical
system -- minimum essential equipment -- lasts for 30 minutes. Get it on the
ground!
Dave A.
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Fred Fillinger
Thanks for the info. ((the pump is 3A for planning purposes).
Do you know gross amp draw when you are starting?
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True NiMhs do discharge over time, but you can peak charge a 2 or 3 month
stored battery before you complete runup, better yet do it at home or on way to
airport. Good procedure calls for a c/10 for 15 hours once in a while to
maintain balance. Small enough to live in handheld radio/GPS Flight bag, and of
course power these as well.
If all it is you want to run is 3 amps, then Lithium Ion would be the way to
go. Capacity for weight is great. You can not fast charge them though, and self
discharge curve is plenty good.
In addition to using as backup power for fuel pump, I want to use it as
starting assist. This rules out alkalines, Lithium ions (but maby not for
long!) and smaller Lead Acid batteries.
I never ran D sized alkalines at 3 amps, but for sure they will not tolerate a
6 amp load whid i did once attempt. I would test them on the bench, be sure to
try them when they are as cool as it may get in cockpit. Perhaps you may need
to parallel 2 packs.
Iry tdea with small NiMhs, is you peak them on way to airport, it uses 12 volt
input for charging, or peak at home from a 12 volt power supply. If you use as
a starting assist, wait till they are cool and repeak in aeroplane @ 1C.
BTW, does anyone use battery tender for Lead Acid when Aeroplane sits?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Attention Roger Mills (Sheffield) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Roger.
Can't find your mobile number or e-mail address.
WILL YOU 'PHONE ROGER CULLUM on Grimsby (01472 8715520) AT EARLIEST
CONVENIENCE, PLEASE
Rrgards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: upholsterer, SW UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
nice try! I need the whole front end done now that the legs are in. Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: upholsterer, SW UK
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Not to miss an opportunity, but....
> I will shortly have a set of the original Factory cushions available.
> They're not terrifically comfortable and the colour is grey with coloured
> bits. (OK, my sales technique is crap).
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: upholsterer, SW UK
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld"
> <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
> >
> > I have heard that Mathew Leach does good upholstery work in Europa's,
but
> unfortunatley the telephone number that I have for him is wrong. Can
anyone
> tell me a good number or e-mail address for him?
> >
> > TIA, Ian.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: upholsterer, SW UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld" <ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
Thanks.
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: upholsterer, SW UK
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> Contact details for Matt Leach are:-
> 2 The Chapel
> Perranwell
> Goonhaven Road
> Truro
> TR4 9PB Telephone 01872 571724
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Mansfeld
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: upholsterer, SW UK
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Mansfeld"
<ian_mansfeld@lineone.net>
>
> I have heard that Mathew Leach does good upholstery work in Europa's, but
> unfortunatley the telephone number that I have for him is wrong. Can
anyone
> tell me a good number or e-mail address for him?
>
> TIA, Ian.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brush Seal / Closure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
You don't play chess then?!
DMcF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brush Seal / Closure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> > It is quite bulky though and perhaps you could research a domestic door
> draught excluder?
> > Oh! But you don't have draughts in OZ do you !
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Don't be too sure mate, there are quite a few draughts over
> here..........Fourex (XXXX), Carlton United, Tooheys and Fosters to name
> just a few !
>
> Regards
> Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 6/27/2003 9:04:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
> BTW, does anyone use battery tender for Lead Acid when Aeroplane sits?
>
Yes - Dave A, A227
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