---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/29/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (Jos Okhuijsen) 2. 02:57 AM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (paul stewart) 3. 04:36 AM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (Jos Okhuijsen) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: Europa covers wanted (Jeremy Davey) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (Cy Galley) 6. 10:37 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Ronald J. Parigoris) 7. 11:04 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Ronald J. Parigoris) 8. 01:15 PM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (John Cliff) 9. 01:15 PM - First flight (Cliff Shaw) 10. 01:16 PM - First Flight (Cliff Shaw) 11. 03:45 PM - Re: First flight (Bob Jacobsen) 12. 04:07 PM - Door fitting help... (ScramIt@aol.com) 13. 07:17 PM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Fred Fillinger) 14. 10:38 PM - Re: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:49 AM PST US From: Jos Okhuijsen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen With what right are you taking my email and everybody else's adress and PUBLISH it without my permission? Maybe it is just plain ignorance, maybe you are getting some reward for your action. Maybe you don't realise that your "free" mailbox and your "private" adress book are paid for by spamsites, market investigators and other privacy violating services. Maybe you just don't realise that my and other adresses will be sold and appear on every spamlist, that all porn, gamble and viagra offers will unsollicitedly appear in our mailboxes. Damage is done. Last but not least, why German in an English language forum? And please remove my address from you "private" records immeadiatly! Thanks but no thanks! Jos Okhuijsen Karl Heinz Topp wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heinz Topp" > >Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, > >heutzutage spielen Kontakte und Adressdaten eine immer wichtigere Rolle. Aus >diesem Grunde habe ich Ihre Adresse in mein privates WEB.DE Adressbuch >eingetragen und bitte Sie, diese zu prfen und zu vervollstndigen. > >Mit Hilfe der zentralen Verwaltung und dem weltweiten Zugriff auf mein >WEB.DE Adressbuch werde ich Adressen und Telefonnummern immer zur Hand haben. > >So einfach ist es fr Sie: Wenn Sie auf den folgenden Link klicken, werden >Sie automatisch zu Ihrem Adressbucheintrag bei mir geleitet >und knnen dort Ihre Daten ergnzen. > >https://kontakteng.web.de/adr_vervoll/?pickup=590140&cid=58791320 > >Vielen Dank fr Ihre Hilfe > >Karl Heinz Topp > >Dies ist ein Service von WEB.DE (http://freemail.web.de). Ihre Daten >werden ausschliesslich im Adressbuch von Karl Heinz Topp gespeichert und >Dritten selbstverstndlich nicht zugnglich gemacht. > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:45 AM PST US From: "paul stewart" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" For those unable to read German could anyone enlighten us ? Paul Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen > > With what right are you taking my email and everybody else's adress and > PUBLISH it without my permission? > Maybe it is just plain ignorance, maybe you are getting some reward for > your action. > Maybe you don't realise that your "free" mailbox and your "private" > adress book are paid for by spamsites, market investigators and other > privacy violating services. > Maybe you just don't realise that my and other adresses will be sold and > appear on every spamlist, that all porn, gamble and viagra offers will > unsollicitedly appear in our mailboxes. > Damage is done. > Last but not least, why German in an English language forum? > And please remove my address from you "private" records immeadiatly! > Thanks but no thanks! > > Jos Okhuijsen > > Karl Heinz Topp wrote: > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heinz Topp" > > > >Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, > > > >heutzutage spielen Kontakte und Adressdaten eine immer wichtigere Rolle. Aus > >diesem Grunde habe ich Ihre Adresse in mein privates WEB.DE Adressbuch > >eingetragen und bitte Sie, diese zu prfen und zu vervollstndigen. > > > >Mit Hilfe der zentralen Verwaltung und dem weltweiten Zugriff auf mein > >WEB.DE Adressbuch werde ich Adressen und Telefonnummern immer zur Hand haben. > > > >So einfach ist es fr Sie: Wenn Sie auf den folgenden Link klicken, werden > >Sie automatisch zu Ihrem Adressbucheintrag bei mir geleitet > >und knnen dort Ihre Daten ergnzen. > > > >https://kontakteng.web.de/adr_vervoll/?pickup=590140&cid=58791320 > > > >Vielen Dank fr Ihre Hilfe > > > >Karl Heinz Topp > > > >Dies ist ein Service von WEB.DE (http://freemail.web.de). Ihre Daten > >werden ausschliesslich im Adressbuch von Karl Heinz Topp gespeichert und > >Dritten selbstverstndlich nicht zugnglich gemacht. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:04 AM PST US From: Jos Okhuijsen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen Not an official translation, but as close as i can get to translate this messages, which probably has come from a supplied template by web.de Nowadays contacs and adressdata are playing an ever more important role, For this reason i have entered your adress in my private WEB.DE adresbook, and i beg you to check and complete this. With the help of the central and worldwide access on my WEB.DE address book i will always have your addresses and telephone numbers at hand. For you it is this simple: If you click on the following link, you will be automatically linked to your adressbook entry with me. and there you can complete your data. (link deleted) Thank you very much for your help, Karl Heinz Topp This is a service of WEB.DE (link deleted) Your data will only be stored in the adress book of Karl Heinz Topp and of course not supplied to third parties. paul stewart wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" > >For those unable to read German could anyone enlighten us ? > >Paul Stewart > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jos Okhuijsen" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp > > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen >> >>With what right are you taking my email and everybody else's adress and >>PUBLISH it without my permission? >>Maybe it is just plain ignorance, maybe you are getting some reward for >>your action. >>Maybe you don't realise that your "free" mailbox and your "private" >>adress book are paid for by spamsites, market investigators and other >>privacy violating services. >>Maybe you just don't realise that my and other adresses will be sold and >>appear on every spamlist, that all porn, gamble and viagra offers will >>unsollicitedly appear in our mailboxes. >>Damage is done. >>Last but not least, why German in an English language forum? >>And please remove my address from you "private" records immeadiatly! >>Thanks but no thanks! >> >>Jos Okhuijsen >> >>Karl Heinz Topp wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heinz Topp" >>> >>> > > > >>>Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, >>> >>>heutzutage spielen Kontakte und Adressdaten eine immer wichtigere Rolle. >>> >>> >Aus > > >>>diesem Grunde habe ich Ihre Adresse in mein privates WEB.DE Adressbuch >>>eingetragen und bitte Sie, diese zu prfen und zu vervollstndigen. >>> >>>Mit Hilfe der zentralen Verwaltung und dem weltweiten Zugriff auf mein >>>WEB.DE Adressbuch werde ich Adressen und Telefonnummern immer zur Hand >>> >>> >haben. > > >>>So einfach ist es fr Sie: Wenn Sie auf den folgenden Link klicken, werden >>>Sie automatisch zu Ihrem Adressbucheintrag bei mir geleitet >>>und knnen dort Ihre Daten ergnzen. >>> >>>https://kontakteng.web.de/adr_vervoll/?pickup=590140&cid=58791320 >>> >>>Vielen Dank fr Ihre Hilfe >>> >>>Karl Heinz Topp >>> >>>Dies ist ein Service von WEB.DE (http://freemail.web.de). Ihre Daten >>>werden ausschliesslich im Adressbuch von Karl Heinz Topp gespeichert und >>>Dritten selbstverstndlich nicht zugnglich gemacht. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:17 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa covers wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Would be happy to put them up there - please just let me have a copy (at Kemble?). Regards, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa covers wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson At 11:19 -0400 on 24-06-03, Chuck Popenoe wrote: >I for one, and I suppose that others in the forum would love to have more >details and photos of your hangar/trailer. Please write it up and put it on >the Europa Club Mods page. Chuck - I snaffled Nigel's illustrations from his presentation at the recent Europa Club seminar in Frimley. They are now included in the CD of goodies that goes to all new members, but we could also put them on the members-only area of the website if Jeremy is agreeable ... they would need some html wrapping. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary | Europa 435 G-ROWI (570 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:11 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Here is Babel Fish translation.. > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > > > nowadays play contacts and address data a ever more important role. Out > > to this reason I registered your address in my private WEB.DE directory > > and ask you to prfen these and too vervollstndigen. > > > > with the help of the central administration and the world-wide access to mine > > WEB.DE directory I addresses and telephone numbers to the hand will always have > > > > so simply am it fr you: If you click on the following left, > > you are led automatically to your directory entry with me > > and knnen your data ergnzen. > > > > https://kontakteng.web.de/adr_vervoll/?pickup=590140&cid=58791320 > > > > thank you fr your assistance > > > > Karl Heinz topp > > > > this are a service of WEB.DE (http://freemail.web.de) there. Their data > > are stored exclusively in the directory by Karl Heinz topp and > > third selbstverstndlich did not course-resemble made. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul stewart" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp > --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" > > For those unable to read German could anyone enlighten us ? > > Paul Stewart > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jos Okhuijsen" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen > > > > With what right are you taking my email and everybody else's adress and > > PUBLISH it without my permission? > > Maybe it is just plain ignorance, maybe you are getting some reward for > > your action. > > Maybe you don't realise that your "free" mailbox and your "private" > > adress book are paid for by spamsites, market investigators and other > > privacy violating services. > > Maybe you just don't realise that my and other adresses will be sold and > > appear on every spamlist, that all porn, gamble and viagra offers will > > unsollicitedly appear in our mailboxes. > > Damage is done. > > Last but not least, why German in an English language forum? > > And please remove my address from you "private" records immeadiatly! > > Thanks but no thanks! > > > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > > Karl Heinz Topp wrote: > > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heinz Topp" > > > > > > >Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, > > > > > >heutzutage spielen Kontakte und Adressdaten eine immer wichtigere Rolle. > Aus > > >diesem Grunde habe ich Ihre Adresse in mein privates WEB.DE Adressbuch > > >eingetragen und bitte Sie, diese zu prfen und zu vervollstndigen. > > > > > >Mit Hilfe der zentralen Verwaltung und dem weltweiten Zugriff auf mein > > >WEB.DE Adressbuch werde ich Adressen und Telefonnummern immer zur Hand > haben. > > > > > >So einfach ist es fr Sie: Wenn Sie auf den folgenden Link klicken, werden > > >Sie automatisch zu Ihrem Adressbucheintrag bei mir geleitet > > >und knnen dort Ihre Daten ergnzen. > > > > > >https://kontakteng.web.de/adr_vervoll/?pickup=590140&cid=58791320 > > > > > >Vielen Dank fr Ihre Hilfe > > > > > >Karl Heinz Topp > > > > > >Dies ist ein Service von WEB.DE (http://freemail.web.de). Ihre Daten > > >werden ausschliesslich im Adressbuch von Karl Heinz Topp gespeichert und > > >Dritten selbstverstndlich nicht zugnglich gemacht. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:25 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Hello Fred I plan on having a anderson power pole modular connecter at easy reach in flight that will allow a quick emergency connection to a fuel pump. If used in parallel with a lead acid for starting, i think the majority will be used for the starter. I have a amp meter and will measure.The starter when cranking is going to be drawing very high amps. When not cranking, and motor stopped, if i parallel a 14.4V 12 cell NiMh pack with a 12V lead acid, if the lead acid is charged, it will bearly be trying to charge the lead acid. If the lead acid is flat, it will try to charge it. I only plan on connecting the pack for starting, if i think it could use a bit more RPMs at that start, like when things are really cold out, or doing a hot engine start. The NiMh would only be connected to the lead acid for a few seconds before starter engaged. Think of it as jumping a car with another car. If the car being jumped has a full charged battery, it will not take any charge from the car doing the jumping. If you try and start the car being jumped, then it will pull down the battery with the higher voltage first, or the car doing the jumping because it has the alternator, or generator pumping float ~13.7Vs or so. So by using 14.4V NiMh it will be like a jumper car in your pocket that you can use at will. If NiMh battery was completly flat, you could peak charge it at 2C in bout 30 minutes. For a start helper i suppose you would never use even 1/4C. Most likely less than that. If you peaked it at 1C, chances it would be fully charged in 5 to 15 minutes. BTW C is the capacity of the cell. In the case of a 2600mA NiMh, that is 2.6 amps. Anyway for a backup battery for fuel pump, i think it sufficient if it could eeck out a half hour for most of my flying. If I make some long over hostile terratory flights, could either bring another pack or 2. Weight for 3 packs is under 5 pounds. As far as a fuse, for starting I would not use one. I will make it a point to never leave the pack connected in the starter port for more than a few seconds. That port will only be used for starting. Internal resistance of batteries is what drops voltage when drawing amps. Alkalines have great capacity but very high internal resistance. they can burn a small load for a long time, but can not dump capacity very fast. a lead acid for its, weight has a much higher internal resistance compared to New Generation NiMhs. You must be very careful whan quoting, or being quoted on capacity. The only number that matters is the capacity at load you are using. So for instance if a Sub C alkaline had a rated capacity of 5,000mAs, and a NiMh has a rating of 2,600mAs, those numbers are moot if you are drawing 3 amps, and under a 3 amp load the alkaline can only put out bearly 1,000mAs, and drop alot of voltage, and the 2,600ma cells can put out a genuine 2,600mas. The aux. fuel pump port will be fused. Ron Parigoris Fred Fillinger wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger > > Ronald J. Parigoris wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. ((the pump is 3A for planning purposes). > > > > Do you know gross amp draw when you are starting? > > The starter relay is max 75A, but whatever greater current pulses caused > by compression strokes I don't know. The voltage across a lead acid > battery drops significantly under high current draw; on a NiMH it does > not. In parallel it's going to appear to it as a partial dead short, > drawing very high current. My Makita cordless drill has a circuit > breaker to prevent the abuse if you stall the motor. Can you then rely > on this battery as emergency backup for the fuel pump? It seems at > least there will be insufficient time in flight to recharge it. > > Fred F. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:43 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Hello Jos The way you make packs for high amp draw is end to end solder them. use a solder with some silver in it. deans makes solder for this application. Granted you can not leave the pack in parallel with lead acid for long, charging is a problem. i am saying i would use the NiMh pack as a jumper pack, to just aid in a cold, or perhaps hot start. Charging would be accomplished with a delta peak charger designed for NiMh cells. If the pack was going to fail, it would fail when starting where you could probably draw 40 to 75 amps? These cells are sub c cells. they are smaller than c cells. I under stand that if you were able to maintain 14.4 volts under load to the starter, and the motor did not start and you ran the starter for minutes you could hurt something. If the lead acid only lets say could provide 10.5 volts under load, my proposed paralleled NiMh pack perhaps would elevate it to 11 or 11.25 volts? It by itself could probably not start the Europa, just like a car that is doing the jumping could not start a car without the battery in. too much resistance from the jumper wires. well the NiMhs are only going to act like a jumper car, in your pocket that weighs in under 2 pounds. Now for running it at 3 amps for back up fuel pump. It is going to act much like a car battery. You can have a dead as a doornail car battery that has not a chance of starting a car, but it will easily run the windshield wipers. well a 3 amp draw on the 2600ma pack is very low for it. this is life critical load. You could have a few marginal cells and still give you 80 or 90% C at a 3 amp draw. Either end to end soldering or soldering using a jumper, if it works for starting current, it will work for fuel pump draw. The NiMhs probably have alot higher internal resistance compared to the lead acid. Amps will flow from a pack if you drop voltage. you drop voltage of 12 cell NiMh pack from 14.4 to 10.5, amps will flow. Drop voltage from a full charged lead acid with 13.7 volts to 10.5 amps will flow. The flow will primarily be to the load. If you by chance get a bad cell, or a bad connection, you will see problem as the peak charger will not work, either at all or you will get a voltage runaway. Granted a pack could fail at the worst moment. Chances are very unlikely. If you took a brand new alkaline, and measured its voltage and it showed good, when was the last time you saw one fail? It could happen, not too often. well if you peak a pack, it is a pretty reliable thing. You can run a capacity test on it once in a while, better yet run the fuel pump on it once in a while on the ground for 3/4C. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:01 PM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" On the face of it, this joker has NOT yet added all our email addresses to his database, as they are not known to other subscribers unless you have posted a message to the list. The subscriber list is held at Matronics but is not present in delivered messages. This posting was sent to the list (showing he must be a subscriber), so he is not addressing it only to previous posters. I suggest nobody is unwise enough to enter personal details into his website (also in German). I have dropped a line to the list manager to advise him. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:01 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Europa-List: First flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I am very happy to announce that my Europa XS flew for the first time today. My flying buddy, Bob Jacobsen, did the job. He had only two "squawks". One was the cockpit heat knob was labeled backwards (he got too hot) and the other was the transponder did not receive radar. I have fixed the first and will work on the second problem next. The plane weighed 878 lb with a CG of 59.75 " , a little forward, but good. We flew at KPAE (Pane Field, Everett,Washington, USA) . The flight lasted 290 minutes. I am very happy, it is a great day ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds WA 98020 (425) 776-5555 N229WC "Wile E Coyote" FLYING ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:44 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I am very happy to announce that my Europa XS flew for the first time today. My flying buddy, Bob Jacobsen, did the job. He had only two "squawks". One was the cockpit heat knob was labeled backwards (he got too hot) and the other was the transponder did not receive radar. I have fixed the first and will work on the second problem next. The plane weighed 878 lb with a CG of 59.75 " , a little forward, but good. We flew at KPAE (Pane Field, Everett,Washington, USA) . The flight lasted 290 minutes. I am very happy, it is a great day ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds WA 98020 (425) 776-5555 N229WC "Wile E Coyote" FLYING ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:51 PM PST US From: "Bob Jacobsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" I think that was 29 minutes not 290!! My bladder just won't go there! Cliff's plane is beautiful with some really nice features. I really like the big opening cowl doors and the cowl flap. It flew hands off right from the start. I will force him tp get some pictures on the web soon. One thing he does have is the DFS-10 flight guage. That is the coolest thing ever!! I must have one!! (the problem with flying other peoples planes). The display is awsome - looks like it belongs in an F-15, its easy to use, super neat menu setups, and just fantastic graphiics. Bob Jacobsen A131 >From: "Cliff Shaw" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Europa-List: First flight >Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:12:10 -0700 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > >All >I am very happy to announce that my Europa XS flew for the first time >today. My flying buddy, Bob Jacobsen, did the job. He had only two >"squawks". One was the cockpit heat knob was labeled backwards (he got too >hot) and the other was the transponder did not receive radar. I have fixed >the first and will work on the second problem next. > >The plane weighed 878 lb with a CG of 59.75 " , a little forward, but good. >We flew at KPAE (Pane Field, Everett,Washington, USA) . The flight lasted >290 minutes. > >I am very happy, it is a great day ! > > >Cliff Shaw >1041 Euclid ave. >Edmonds WA 98020 >(425) 776-5555 >N229WC "Wile E Coyote" FLYING > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:00 PM PST US From: ScramIt@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Door fitting help... --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com OK.. I've measured the hinge placement on the door tangs about a hundred times how and they are per the manual. When I put the doors on and open them they're about 1/2 inch too high on the door frame tang. What has everyone else done? Just move the hinges down? Is that structurally sound? So far I've found chapters 33 and 34 woefully lacking. What's up with the crazy angle the straight edge is on in fig 3 page 34-3? http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2257.jpg http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2258.jpg Thanks, SteveD. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:55 PM PST US From: Fred Fillinger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger Ronald J. Parigoris wrote: > In the case of a 2600mA NiMh, that is 2.6 amps. Anyway for a backup > battery for fuel pump, i think it sufficient if it could eeck out a > half hour for most of my flying. If I make some long over hostile > terratory flights, could either bring another pack or 2. Weight for 3 > packs is under 5 pounds. Ron, my long experience with NiCad and now even NiMH is that they are worthless for long-term reliability. Anybody else? There are small AGM (RG) batteries for motorcycle applications should be a lot cheaper than 2 packs of NiMH. There's no issue paralleling them with a larger RG, and one battery mfr says in its literature that parallel batteries of different types runs the risk of explosion if heavy current is extracted from the pair. In any event, the results are unpredictable and dependent upon the condition of either. NiMH is inferior to even NiCad for what you are considering, and both are inferior to AGM "starting" battery which will have less internal resistance in comparable capacity. Just a suggestion! Fred F. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:59 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eine Nachricht von Karl Heinz Topp --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Europa Listers, While Mr. Topp's message may be innocent enough - who knows for sure - this is not appropriate for the List distribution, especially written in German. As John has pointed out, I would also strongly recommend against entering any data in the listed website or otherwise communicating with this individual. The likelihood that it is a harvester of email addresses for spam is high. I have unsubscribed Mr. Topp from the Europa List (the only List he is currently subscribed to) just to be safe. If I hear from him directly with an explanation I will pass it along to the List. Best regards, Matt Dralle List Admin. At 01:17 PM 6/29/2003 Sunday, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > > >On the face of it, this joker has NOT yet added all our email addresses to his >database, as they are not known to other subscribers unless you have posted a >message to the list. The subscriber list is held at Matronics but is not >present in delivered messages. This posting was sent to the list (showing he >must be a subscriber), so he is not addressing it only to previous posters. > >I suggest nobody is unwise enough to enter personal details into his website >(also in German). > >I have dropped a line to the list manager to advise him. > >John Cliff >#0259 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft