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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running (Bill & Sue Sisley)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: First Flight (Troy Maynor)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Door fitting help... (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Door fitting help... (Kevin Klinefelter)
5. 06:56 AM - bidford fly in (Runnymede73@aol.com)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Jim Butcher-blue Mountain EFIS (Jeff Roberts)
7. 09:03 AM - Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? (ScramIt@aol.com)
8. 10:42 AM - 912/914 what does it mean? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? (Ami McFadyean)
10. 12:42 PM - Re: bidford fly in (James NAYLOR)
11. 01:05 PM - Bidford (Gerry Holland)
12. 01:20 PM - filling ailerons (paul stewart)
13. 02:14 PM - Primer for Zn-coated steel (Jeremy Davey)
14. 02:51 PM - Calling Europaphiles in New Orleans! (Jeremy Davey)
15. 03:18 PM - Re: Primer for Zn-coated steel (Rob Housman)
16. 06:55 PM - Re: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? ()
17. 08:56 PM - Re: Primer for Zn-coated steel (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
18. 10:56 PM - ELT (craig ellison)
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
Hell of a lot of discussion for a simple problem.
I have done mine the Europa way, one pump to the alternator and one to the
battery.
If both of those fail I will just look for a suitable field and drop my
little plane in.
I just enjoy the flying!!!!
Sue and Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <fillinger@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keeping 914 Fuel Pump running
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger
<fillinger@ameritech.net>
>
> Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
>
> > In the case of a 2600mA NiMh, that is 2.6 amps. Anyway for a backup
> > battery for fuel pump, i think it sufficient if it could eeck out a
> > half hour for most of my flying. If I make some long over hostile
> > terratory flights, could either bring another pack or 2. Weight for 3
> > packs is under 5 pounds.
>
> Ron, my long experience with NiCad and now even NiMH is that they are
> worthless for long-term reliability. Anybody else? There are small AGM
> (RG) batteries for motorcycle applications should be a lot cheaper than
> 2 packs of NiMH. There's no issue paralleling them with a larger RG,
> and one battery mfr says in its literature that parallel batteries of
> different types runs the risk of explosion if heavy current is extracted
> from the pair. In any event, the results are unpredictable and dependent
> upon the condition of either. NiMH is inferior to even NiCad for what
> you are considering, and both are inferior to AGM "starting" battery
> which will have less internal resistance in comparable capacity. Just a
> suggestion!
>
> Fred F.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
A hearty congratulations to you Cliff, now go chase that road runner!
-Troy Maynor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@attbi.com>
All
I am very happy to announce that my Europa XS flew for the first time today.
My flying buddy, Bob Jacobsen, did the job. He had only two "squawks". One
was the cockpit heat knob was labeled backwards (he got too hot) and the
other was the transponder did not receive radar. I have fixed the first and
will work on the second problem next.
The plane weighed 878 lb with a CG of 59.75 " , a little forward, but good.
We flew at KPAE (Pane Field, Everett,Washington, USA) . The flight lasted
290 minutes.
I am very happy, it is a great day !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote" FLYING
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| Subject: | Door fitting help... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Steve, The crazy angle of the straight edge is how it looks in real life
due to the curve of the doors. I did mine per the manual and they came out
good. I'm not sure what you mean by too high on the door frame tang. In
order to get the top surface of the tangs flush with the top of the fuse I
had to make shims (spacers) out of alum. sheet to fit under the hinge, in
the space where fig. 4 points to 5 min. epoxy. Neville said something about
the door hinge rebates being deeper now. These doors have taken me a whole
lot of time, but have gone well following the manual.
Oh by the way, I got some SS hinge material. I have lots of extra if anyone
wants some.
I just bonded the windows in. Now starting the door strut reverse mod.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ScramIt@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Door fitting help...
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
OK.. I've measured the hinge placement on the door tangs about a hundred
times how and they are per the manual. When I put the doors on and open them
they're about 1/2 inch too high on the door frame tang. What has everyone
else
done? Just move the hinges down? Is that structurally sound? So far I've
found
chapters 33 and 34 woefully lacking. What's up with the crazy angle the
straight
edge is on in fig 3 page 34-3?
http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2257.jpg
http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2258.jpg
Thanks,
SteveD.
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| Subject: | Door fitting help... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Now that I look at your photos, Did you trim the tangs, as in the end of
step two? Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ScramIt@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Door fitting help...
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
OK.. I've measured the hinge placement on the door tangs about a hundred
times how and they are per the manual. When I put the doors on and open them
they're about 1/2 inch too high on the door frame tang. What has everyone
else
done? Just move the hinges down? Is that structurally sound? So far I've
found
chapters 33 and 34 woefully lacking. What's up with the crazy angle the
straight
edge is on in fig 3 page 34-3?
http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2257.jpg
http://idisk.mac.com/sdunsmuir/Public/DSCN2258.jpg
Thanks,
SteveD.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
hi jim
thanks for the email inviting us to participate in the fly in
as you know now i am a builder 454 and came in the grob
motorglider from blackbushe
sorry there were not more europas but i suppose they did there best
sorry we were in a rush and did not barbecue but perhaps next time
thanks for your effort
rgds
bill dewey G-UILD
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Butcher-blue Mountain EFIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 6/28/03 4:49 PM, Alan Stills at astills785@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> Jim,
> I too am thinking about an EFIS system in my Europa. I'm curious how you came
> to your decision, using an EFIS as a primary system "without" a lot of backup
> instruments. Please e-mail me off the list at astills785@earthlink.com on your
> ideas on this subject.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
>
>
>
>
Has anyone looked at the Digifly FMS100. Teh web site is
compositedesigninc.com
Acording to there web site you can have 3 screen redundancey for less than
the price of one EFIS from most companies. Check it out.
Jeff
a258 Tri
Nashville
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| Subject: | Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
The pocket on my front fuselage door hinge mounting point is 11 mm deep at
its deepest. Since the measurement from hinge center line to end of the longest
point on the trimmed door tang is 22 mm I see now why it wont fit. Anyone else
have this problem? Also the pocket is angled at 50 degs, this only allows the
door to open 18 inches before the tang hits it. The pockets have to go! I'm
going to reform them deeper with 4 ply of bid.
Comments?
SteveD.
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| Subject: | 912/914 what does it mean? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Silly question.
Does 912/914 have any meaning?
It is not engine displacement.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Personally, I would cut down the tangs (they have no apparent function) and
cover-in the resulting gaping hole between the end of the tang and the edge
of the fus.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScramIt@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
> The pocket on my front fuselage door hinge mounting point is 11 mm deep at
> its deepest. Since the measurement from hinge center line to end of the
longest
> point on the trimmed door tang is 22 mm I see now why it wont fit. Anyone
else
> have this problem? Also the pocket is angled at 50 degs, this only allows
the
> door to open 18 inches before the tang hits it. The pockets have to go!
I'm
> going to reform them deeper with 4 ply of bid.
>
> Comments?
> SteveD.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bidford fly in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "James NAYLOR" <jim@naylor144.fsnet.co.uk>
Bill
Thanks for coming, sorry we didn't realise you were part of the gang at
first, but if you insist on disguising your Europa as a Grob, what do you
expect! Give us a call next time and we will know what to look out for.
regards
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Runnymede73@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: bidford fly in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
>
> hi jim
> thanks for the email inviting us to participate in the fly in
> as you know now i am a builder 454 and came in the grob
> motorglider from blackbushe
> sorry there were not more europas but i suppose they did there best
> sorry we were in a rush and did not barbecue but perhaps next time
> thanks for your effort
> rgds
> bill dewey G-UILD
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Jim & Gang!
Many Thanks from Paddy and me for receiving us at Bidford on Saturday
Morning in G-KIMM.
Wonderful weather, just sorry we couldn=B9t stay beyond Lunchtime.
Look forward to seeing you all at Kemble.
Kind Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | filling ailerons |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
When filling aileron, what have folk done with the mass balance arms? Given that
I'm going to need to drill the lead weights it seems a bit daft to fill to a
perfect finish at this stage if indeed this is worth doing at all.
Any thoughts greatfully recieved.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Primer for Zn-coated steel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Can anyone suggest a primer I can use on Zn-coated steel - i.e. the aileron
torque-tubes and pitch pushrods? If it was available in both pots and
aerosol cans, that would be ideal.
I tried red oxide cellulose primer and that just wouldn't stick :-(
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Calling Europaphiles in New Orleans! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I'm in New Orleans for nearly a fortnight coming up - any Europaphiles in
the area want to get together and talk small, fast composite aeroplanes?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Primer for Zn-coated steel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Unless Europa has (have) made a change in materials, you have aluminum
(aluminium) tubes in those locations, not galvanized steel. A magnet will
help to convince you which it is. Since these are a heat treated Al alloy
the proper procedure is to first remove the dense oxide that results from
the heat treatment (best done with some rather nasty chemicals) and them
prime with zinc chromate primer (if you can get it).
You can probably get away with good mechanical cleaning instead of working
with the nasty chemicals to remove the oxide - try fine grit sandpaper
followed by a thorough cleaning (soap and water should do it, but be sure to
dry the tubes thoroughly) and then, with minimum delay, spray on zinc
chromate primer, available (maybe) in small spray cans from Aircraft Spruce
(it is in their catalog but I recall that they would not sell it to me when
I inquired a few years ago - "hazardous" stuff, you know).
If you would prefer to have the job done commercially, a better solution
would be to have the tubes anodized. Specifications for automotive Al parts
usually require .0002 to .0003 inch thick anodic coating but architectural
Al requires 0.0007 inch thick (we expect our buildings to last longer than
out cars). If you are worried about the corrosive effect of proximity to
the ocean, specify dichromate sealing of the thicker anodize.
Having said all this I must admit to leaving these parts untreated in my
a/c, trusting the dense heat treat oxide film to do the job. The climate
here is benign with little rainfall and low humidity and I don't live or
store the plane near the ocean so the tubes will survive a long time without
corrosion.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: Europa-List: Primer for Zn-coated steel
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Can anyone suggest a primer I can use on Zn-coated steel - i.e. the aileron
torque-tubes and pitch pushrods? If it was available in both pots and
aerosol cans, that would be ideal.
I tried red oxide cellulose primer and that just wouldn't stick :-(
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Re: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
It will fit with a combination of sanding on the door and the pocket. I
recommend stronger material for the hinges...like steel or stainless.
Ken Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScramIt@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Door fitting help... Deep Pockets?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
> The pocket on my front fuselage door hinge mounting point is 11 mm deep at
> its deepest. Since the measurement from hinge center line to end of the
longest
> point on the trimmed door tang is 22 mm I see now why it wont fit. Anyone
else
> have this problem? Also the pocket is angled at 50 degs, this only allows
the
> door to open 18 inches before the tang hits it. The pockets have to go!
I'm
> going to reform them deeper with 4 ply of bid.
>
> Comments?
> SteveD.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primer for Zn-coated steel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I concur with Rob on the tubes being aluminum. Your magnet test will be
conclusive. I chose to take most of the tubing from the kit and sent it out to
be
powder coated. They will clean and coat it and you should never have a problem.
You can also pick a nice color. The cost to me was about $80 US and three
days time. Make sure you mask off the bottom of the control sticks where they go
into the CS01 with CS16b spacer. It's a snug fit to begin with.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All,
I just received my Ameri-King ELT from AS and was going over the install instructions
before mounting it under the baggage compartment. I was planning to mount
the antenna on the back side of the baggage bay bulkhead in the horizontal
position, but the instructions state that the antenna should be 20 degrees of
vertical when the aircraft is in a normal flight attitude and if it is mounted
to a non-metallic air frame, a supplementary ground plane must be installed.
What happens if one were to mount the antenna horizontally?
Is there a need for a ground plane in a composite aircraft?
I would appreciate installation tips from builders who have figured this out already.
Thanks in advance
Craig Ellison
A205
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