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1. 01:39 AM - Re: Sternpost top rebates????? (Tony Renshaw)
2. 02:37 AM - Ultimates in Windscreen (Tony Renshaw)
3. 02:38 AM - Ultimate Ventilators Question (Tony Renshaw)
4. 03:34 AM - East of Scotland PFA Strut Fly In (Edward Gladstone)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question (Kevin Klinefelter)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question (Fergus Kyle)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question (Rob Housman)
9. 11:10 AM - Re: Movie ()
10. 12:49 PM - thro' firewall (paul stewart)
11. 01:40 PM - Re: thro' firewall (Gerry Holland)
12. 01:45 PM - Re: thro' firewall (Rob Housman)
13. 02:45 PM - Members-Only section (Jeremy Davey)
14. 04:34 PM - First Flight N166BB (Robert Berube)
15. 07:54 PM - Re: First Flight N166BB (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
16. 08:32 PM - Re: First Flight N166BB (Jeff Roberts)
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost top rebates????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Thanks Graham, yes that is what I thought too. I will grind them away.
Reg
Tony R.
At 01:36 AM 7/8/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
>At 23:56 06/07/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>Sternpost top rebates?????
>
>Tony,
>I guess you are using an XS sternpost and you are a Classic?
>The recesses are probably for the top rib of the XS rudder. Suggest you
>just grind them away and repair with a couple of plies of BID.
>Graham
>
>
>---
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>
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| Subject: | Ultimates in Windscreen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gary,
Do you by chance have any photos of this setup please, and what made you put
them in the windscreen rather than the forward portion of the gullwing door? Is
this location too far aft????
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 10:31 AM 7/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
>
>I strongly agree with John Lawton. I installed the "Ultimate
>Ventilators" two weeks ago, and absolutely love them! I installed mine,
>one on each side, in the lower, aft most corners of the windscreen. I
>can adjust the flow to blow right on my face which is refreshing in the
>Florida sun
>
>Garry V. Stout A060 N4220S
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>
>Steve,
>
>Check out Aircraft Spruce's "Ultimate Ventilators". I put a set in my
>Citabria and they are great! I'm planning a set for my Europa. A bit
>pricey, but they
>provide excellent ventilation.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Ultimate Ventilators Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
These Ultimate Ventilators in the Spruce Catalogue look good, and solid. I know
that the best and easiest ventilation comes from a deflection into the airflow,
and yes it is draggy. I am happy to be able to modify my comfort, and my drag
subject to my needs. So, these little guys look good. I would like to know
their diameter, best recommended placement if it is other than the usual
location, and whether I can bond my cutout of skin to the outside of the flange
that rotates, to make it basically invisible from the outside except the
scribed circle?
Thanks, and yes they are not cheap at $130 AUD.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 10:49 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 7/7/2003 7:28:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>hagargs@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> I believe that's that's the SOP if I left anything out the older timers can
>> comment as necessary.
>>
>
>Steve,
>
>Check out Aircraft Spruce's "Ultimate Ventilators". I put a set in my
>Citabria and they are great! I'm planning a set for my Europa. A bit pricey,
>but they
>provide excellent ventilation.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | East of Scotland PFA Strut Fly In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Edward Gladstone <Ted_Gladstone@compuserve.com>
The East of Scotland Strut & National Museums of Scotland host their joint
fly-In at the Museum of Flight near Edinburgh at East Fortune airfield on
22nd & 23rd August 2003. This unique site has an impressive collection
of historic aircraft housed in the original WW2 buildings - - - a
destination offering more than just a place to have coffee & fly home.
This normally closed airfield will be opened especially for this event.
Come & join us, all are welcome, in any aircraft type. The coffee is
free as well !! We have a few prizes for those making the effort, be
there !!
Landing fee by donation
Barbecue and ceilidh for visiting aircrew on Friday evening
Camping available or accommodation possible locally by arrangement
Free entrance to event and Museum for aircrew
Free coffee to all aircrew
Prizes awarded for "Best Aircraft" & "Most Meritorious Flight"
100LL Fuel available on site - - Lead free by prior request
Event & airfield closes at 18.00 hrs Sat 23rd August
Up to date details found at :- www.nms.ac.uk/flight/
or:- www.eos-strut.org.uk/flyin.html
or pick up a flyer at Kemble
Ted
G-ZTED [ still in bits :-( ]
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Ultimate Ventilators Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I too have installed these ventilators. A hole saw of 1 7/8" was used for
the opening. I chose a position midway between the front and rear span of
the windshield, just below the thick reinforced part of the fuse molding,
and above the fuse moldings jogle. This puts the ventilator just above my
knee and just clears the panel glareshield. After I cut the holes it was
apparent that the skin is very thin and flexible there so I added two layers
of carbon bid to stiffen it up. The units were bonded in with redux from the
inside, a filet of redux around the 21/2" dia. edge.
Gary, glad to hear you like them, now that I have stuck these expensive
little things in my project! I just didn't want to go the Naca route.
Another option would be a sliding window vent like most sailplanes have. Has
anyone gone that route? Then you would have an opening to drop small objects
from!
Still working on the doors, Kevin
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilators Question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
These Ultimate Ventilators in the Spruce Catalogue look good, and solid. I
know
that the best and easiest ventilation comes from a deflection into the
airflow,
and yes it is draggy. I am happy to be able to modify my comfort, and my
drag
subject to my needs. So, these little guys look good. I would like to know
their diameter, best recommended placement if it is other than the usual
location, and whether I can bond my cutout of skin to the outside of the
flange
that rotates, to make it basically invisible from the outside except the
scribed circle?
Thanks, and yes they are not cheap at $130 AUD.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 10:49 AM 7/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 7/7/2003 7:28:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>hagargs@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> I believe that's that's the SOP if I left anything out the older timers
can
>> comment as necessary.
>>
>
>Steve,
>
>Check out Aircraft Spruce's "Ultimate Ventilators". I put a set in my
>Citabria and they are great! I'm planning a set for my Europa. A bit
pricey,
>but they
>provide excellent ventilation.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 7/8/2003 9:18:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevann@gte.net
writes:
> Another option would be a sliding window vent like most sailplanes have.
> Has
> anyone gone that route? Then you would have an opening to drop small objects
> from!
>
Kevin,
My understanding is vent windows, like seen in sailplanes, are an option, at
least on US kits where the glass comes from LP Aeroplastics. As I recall I
think I was quoted about $300 each for them. I think the Ultimate Ventilators
will serve better over time. Window vents always seem to crack in the corners,
especially where there is vibration involved.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilators Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilators Question
| I too have installed these ventilators. A hole saw of 1 7/8" was used for
| the opening. I chose a position midway between the front and rear span of
| the windshield, just below the thick reinforced part of the fuse molding,
| and above the fuse moldings jogle. This puts the ventilator just above my
| knee and just clears the panel glareshield. After I cut the holes it was
| apparent that the skin is very thin and flexible there so I added two
layers
| of carbon bid to stiffen it up. The units were bonded in with redux from
the
| inside, a filet of redux around the 21/2" dia. edge.
Kevin et al,
I tried to 'see' these ultimatoes ventilatoes in the AS catalog
online, but was stiffed by need-to-sell pages. Can one get a gander at same?
Ferg
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| Subject: | Ultimate Ventilators Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Steve Dunsmuir posted a picture of the vent installed in his Europa at
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Sun-N-Fun/DSCN0966-tb.html
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilators Question
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilators Question
| I too have installed these ventilators. A hole saw of 1 7/8" was used for
| the opening. I chose a position midway between the front and rear span of
| the windshield, just below the thick reinforced part of the fuse molding,
| and above the fuse moldings jogle. This puts the ventilator just above my
| knee and just clears the panel glareshield. After I cut the holes it was
| apparent that the skin is very thin and flexible there so I added two
layers
| of carbon bid to stiffen it up. The units were bonded in with redux from
the
| inside, a filet of redux around the 21/2" dia. edge.
Kevin et al,
I tried to 'see' these ultimatoes ventilatoes in the AS catalog
online, but was stiffed by need-to-sell pages. Can one get a gander at same?
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <phil@petrasoft.net>
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
How have folk taken wiring through the firewall while maintaining its integrity?
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Re: thro' firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul Hi!
>
> How have folk taken wiring through the firewall while maintaining its
> integrity?
I've used Brass 6mm and 8mm Nuts and Bolts as standoffs or studs for Power,
Earth and Alternator Feed. I'm using EXP Bus so once these connections get
to Circuit Board all gets taken care of other than adding Circuit Breaker
for Alternator/Battery protection.
Magneto Leads have come through on their own and connected straight to
Magneto Switches and screened.
All other wiring which is mainly 18 to 22 awg is going through a Multi way
Circular Plug secured to Firewall on a stainless plate. This plate is
secured with bolts into fixed nuts and can be detach with engine for repair
or whatever.
If you want to share in my particular 'madness' on wiring then I can send
photo if you are desperate! Good Fun though.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Everything you need to know about things electric and in particular about
firewall penetration can be found at the Aero-Electric Connection. For
starters go to:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Firewall_Penetration/firewall.html It
would also be a good idea to sign up for the AeroElectric-List at
http://www.matronics.com/subscription
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: thro' firewall
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
How have folk taken wiring through the firewall while maintaining its
integrity?
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Members-Only section |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Just a note to say that the problem with the Members-Only section of the Web
Site has been fixed.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | First Flight N166BB |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Finally today at 10:45am N166BB took to the air at Lakeland Regional Airport.
Lee Omernik was the test pilot for the first flight which lasted approx. 20 minutes
in 93F degree temps. Engine temps stayed in the green even after a 15 minute
taxi. Squawks were a slightly erratic FlyDat and fuel odor. Power is 912ULS
and Prince P tip prop.
It took longer that I had thought to get to this point but it is worth the wait
to see your creation take flight.
Keep at it.
Regards,
Bob Berube A166 Conventional
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N166BB |
07/08/2003 10:53:55 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Congratulations Bob!
Beautiful Aircraft!
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N166BB |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 7/8/03 6:33 PM, Robert Berube at bberube@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Finally today at 10:45am N166BB took to the air at Lakeland Regional Airport.
> Lee Omernik was the test pilot for the first flight which lasted approx. 20
> minutes in 93F degree temps. Engine temps stayed in the green even after a 15
> minute taxi. Squawks were a slightly erratic FlyDat and fuel odor. Power is
> 912ULS and Prince P tip prop.
>
> It took longer that I had thought to get to this point but it is worth the
> wait to see your creation take flight.
>
> Keep at it.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Berube A166 Conventional
>
>
>
>
>
>
Way to go BOB. Looking foward to hearing your performance numbers. What
great airplane and thanks for all your help! I Just closed out the second
wing.
Jeff Roberts
A258 Tri
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