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1. 01:01 AM - Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication (Tony Renshaw)
2. 02:02 AM - New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? (Tony Renshaw)
3. 02:23 AM - Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication (david joyce)
4. 02:28 AM - Re: New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? (Roger Mills)
5. 02:28 AM - Re: New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? (david joyce)
6. 03:10 AM - Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication (Brian Davies)
7. 03:28 AM - Wing to Fuselage Fairings (Peter Austin)
8. 03:42 AM - Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing (Tony Renshaw)
9. 06:39 AM - Re: New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? (Nigel Graham)
10. 07:21 AM - 30amp Slow Blow Fuse (Brian Davies)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Wing to Fuselage Fairings (Rob Housman)
12. 08:59 AM - Re: 30amp Slow Blow Fuse (Richard Holder)
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| Subject: | Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am about to install my torque tube after having the pins replaced to the
larger option. I have noticed that the bronze bushings are very tight on
the tube. Is this normal?? Also, I am wondering if people have set up these
bearings for future lubrication? I do recall someone setting up for
injection of a light lubricant, and now is the time for me to consider
this. Any other suggestions with this setup will be kindly appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about my setup preference of the new tailwheel with the old
engine mount, the old cowls and the consequent low prop clearance. I am
wondering if prop clearance is the only consequence,and how significant
this is? I am aware that the new tailwheel reducing the deck angle no doubt
promoted the engine to go higher, and therefore give much the same prop
clearance. Europa think it appropriate to up the engine, but I like the old
cowls, the 912S, and the new tailwheel. This is my chosen configuration,
this week. Any advice with this will be happily appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Tony, You simply put a little light oil on the tube before mounting the
tailplane - no need to complicate it! David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am about to install my torque tube after having the pins replaced to the
> larger option. I have noticed that the bronze bushings are very tight on
> the tube. Is this normal?? Also, I am wondering if people have set up
these
> bearings for future lubrication? I do recall someone setting up for
> injection of a light lubricant, and now is the time for me to consider
> this. Any other suggestions with this setup will be kindly appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Mills" <Roger.Mills@btinternet.com>
Tony, I have the old engine mount and cowl with an XS tailwheel. Prop
clearance hasn't been a problem so far in >200hrs - you would really
have to lower the nose quite dramatically on take off or be on really
rough bumpy ground to clip the prop.
Best Regards
Roger Mills
0771 289 1840
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: New Tailwheel, old engine mount???????
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
--> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about my setup preference of the new tailwheel with the
old engine mount, the old cowls and the consequent low prop clearance. I
am wondering if prop clearance is the only consequence,and how
significant this is? I am aware that the new tailwheel reducing the deck
angle no doubt promoted the engine to go higher, and therefore give much
the same prop clearance. Europa think it appropriate to up the engine,
but I like the old cowls, the 912S, and the new tailwheel. This is my
chosen configuration, this week. Any advice with this will be happily
appreciated. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Tony, How big is your prop? Europa and the PFA are prepared to approve a
diameter of up to 64" or 1625mm, (which is what I am flying, without
problems) but most props are smaller than this giving you a bit more ground
clearance to play with. David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: New Tailwheel, old engine mount???????
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am wondering about my setup preference of the new tailwheel with the old
> engine mount, the old cowls and the consequent low prop clearance. I am
> wondering if prop clearance is the only consequence,and how significant
> this is? I am aware that the new tailwheel reducing the deck angle no
doubt
> promoted the engine to go higher, and therefore give much the same prop
> clearance. Europa think it appropriate to up the engine, but I like the
old
> cowls, the 912S, and the new tailwheel. This is my chosen configuration,
> this week. Any advice with this will be happily appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Tony,
My bushes were a very good sliding fit- no play but once lubricated with
Aeroshell grease they had relatively low friction. I wonder whether the pin
enlargement process has slightly distorted the torque tube and it is no
longer pefectly round? This should show up as witness marks/shiny areas on
the tube if you rotate the bearings dry a few times.
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am about to install my torque tube after having the pins replaced to the
> larger option. I have noticed that the bronze bushings are very tight on
> the tube. Is this normal?? Also, I am wondering if people have set up
these
> bearings for future lubrication? I do recall someone setting up for
> injection of a light lubricant, and now is the time for me to consider
> this. Any other suggestions with this setup will be kindly appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing to Fuselage Fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Austin" <austins@zip.co.nz>
Group,
Can anyone come up with a compelling reason NOT to attach the Fairings to
the Fuselage as apposed to the wings as stated in the Build manual.
These are the premoulded Fairings as supplied from Europa.
For:-
Think it would look better with the Fairings filled and blended into the
fuselage sides.
The mouldings are a much neater fit around the wings and would not need gaps
filled with Silicone as suggested in the build manual when the moulding are
attached to the wings.
The lip of the moulding around the wings can be blended to the wing with
filler.
Against:-
I can see it would be more awkward to fit the wings, especially the last bit
getting the wings into the moulding which in effect would be sockets.At its
home field the aircraft will be live in its own hanger, so putting the wings
on an off hopefully won't be a regular occurance.
A little harder for maintenance etc of the flight controls within the
fuselage.
This aircraft is a classic, with the MAUW mod installed.
Kind Regards
Peter Austin #198
Living life behind a sanding mask.
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing |
Tightness\Lubrication
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
David,
OK, sounds good to me. Thanks.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 10:27 AM 7/15/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
>
>Tony, You simply put a little light oil on the tube before mounting the
>tailplane - no need to complicate it! David
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Torque Tube Bronze Bushing Tightness\Lubrication
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I am about to install my torque tube after having the pins replaced to the
>> larger option. I have noticed that the bronze bushings are very tight on
>> the tube. Is this normal?? Also, I am wondering if people have set up
>these
>> bearings for future lubrication? I do recall someone setting up for
>> injection of a light lubricant, and now is the time for me to consider
>> this. Any other suggestions with this setup will be kindly appreciated.
>> Reg
>> Tony Renshaw
>> Sydney Australia
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Tailwheel, old engine mount??????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Tony,
This is an interesting question. The JAR regs over here are quite
specific about the ground clearance with regard to propeller clearance.
JAR-VLA 925 1-E-1 states:
Unless smaller clearances are substantiated, propeller clearances with
the aeroplane at maximum weight, with the most adverse centre of gravity
and with the propeller in the most adverse pitch position, may not be
less than the following:
(a) Ground Clearance.
There must be a clearance of at least 180mm (for each aeroplane with a
nosewheel landing gear) or 230mm (for each aeroplane with a tail wheel
landing gear) between each propeller and the ground with the landing
gear statically deflected and in the level, normal take-off, or taxying
attitude, whichever is most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane
with conventional landing gear struts using fluid or mechanical means
for absorbing landing shocks, there must be a positive clearance between
the propeller and the ground in level take-off attitude with the
critical tyre completely deflated and the corresponding landing gear
fully bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes using leaf spring
struts is shown with a deflection corresponding to 1.5g.
.......the rest concerns water and airframe clearance.
I have not measured a standard Europa and cannot comment on its
compliance with these regs, but the relentless procession of silent and
humbled pilots making their way to their nearest Warpdrive dealers leads
me to suspect that it might not :-(
What we need is a good "conventional gear" ;-)
.......light blue touch paper....and stand well clear
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering about my setup preference of the new tailwheel with the
old
engine mount, the old cowls and the consequent low prop clearance. I am
wondering if prop clearance is the only consequence,and how significant
this is? I am aware that the new tailwheel reducing the deck angle no
doubt
promoted the engine to go higher, and therefore give much the same prop
clearance. Europa think it appropriate to up the engine, but I like the
old
cowls, the 912S, and the new tailwheel. This is my chosen configuration,
this week. Any advice with this will be happily appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | 30amp Slow Blow Fuse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
The Europa wiring diagram calls for a 30amp slow blow fuse in the battery and
alternator feeds. What are builders using for this (part no./ supplier)?
Brian Davies kit 454
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| Subject: | Wing to Fuselage Fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
How's this for a reason (quoted verbatim from the construction manual):
"The gap between the wing root and the fuselage skin will be filled with the
moulded fairing. The fairing becomes part of the wing which further adds to
the wing root stiffness and can assist in passing forward and aft wing loads
into the fuselage."
This is an area of high drag which the fairings will reduce, but not as much
if the fairing to wing "joint" is an open one, and if it is not a loose
assembly then it will be nearly impossible to insert the wing root into the
fairing without damaging the fairing. Remember, there is an optional (but
highly recommended) guide to align the wing spars fore and aft, but none to
guide insertion in the vertical plane, or to restrict rotation about the
spar, so you will be wiggling the wing up, down, and around to get it into
place.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Austin
Subject: Europa-List: Wing to Fuselage Fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Austin" <austins@zip.co.nz>
Group,
Can anyone come up with a compelling reason NOT to attach the Fairings to
the Fuselage as apposed to the wings as stated in the Build manual.
These are the premoulded Fairings as supplied from Europa.
For:-
Think it would look better with the Fairings filled and blended into the
fuselage sides.
The mouldings are a much neater fit around the wings and would not need gaps
filled with Silicone as suggested in the build manual when the moulding are
attached to the wings.
The lip of the moulding around the wings can be blended to the wing with
filler.
Against:-
I can see it would be more awkward to fit the wings, especially the last bit
getting the wings into the moulding which in effect would be sockets.At its
home field the aircraft will be live in its own hanger, so putting the wings
on an off hopefully won't be a regular occurance.
A little harder for maintenance etc of the flight controls within the
fuselage.
This aircraft is a classic, with the MAUW mod installed.
Kind Regards
Peter Austin #198
Living life behind a sanding mask.
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| Subject: | Re: 30amp Slow Blow Fuse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I used 25 amp CBs from RS. Part no 406-9491 5.70.
They also do 30, 35 in a different series 405-9208 12.68
All plus VAT
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
>
> The Europa wiring diagram calls for a 30amp slow blow fuse in the battery and
> alternator feeds. What are builders using for this (part no./ supplier)?
>
> Brian Davies kit 454
>
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