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1. 11:42 AM - Aileron Fit (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
2. 12:22 PM - Aileron Trim (grroberts3@juno.com)
3. 12:40 PM - Re: Aileron Fit (Stephan Cassel)
4. 12:47 PM - Re: Aileron Fit (Gerry Holland)
5. 01:08 PM - Re: Aileron Fit (Stephan Cassel)
6. 03:58 PM - New Tailwheel Ply inserts (Graham Singleton)
7. 05:30 PM - Re: Aileron Trim ()
8. 11:33 PM - 912 Engine Problem - Request for help (William Mills)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
If it is not too much trouble, could someone measure the wingtip end of their
ailerons, as I'm having an alignment problem.
With the aileron lying flat on a table, my ailerons measure, 4.57cm/1.8" from
the leading edge of the lip that the hinges are mounted to, to the top of the
aileron. From that same hinge leading edge to the trailing edge I measure
17cm/ 6.93". And overall leading edge to trailing edge 20.6cm/8.125".
My problem arises when I mount the aileron in place using clecos, the
trailing edge of the aileron is 1.2cm/.475" short of the wingtip leading edge,
and
while the bottom surface of the aileron lines up the bottom surface of the
wingtip, the top surface is about .63cm/.250" lower across it's entire length than
the wingtip top surface.
And this closely repeats on both port and starboard aileron. What am I doing
wrong?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
All,
I have installed a NavAid wing leveler as per the Club mod. Is an
electric aileron trim redundant, or something I'll likely wish I had when
I finally fly this thing? Now is the time I need to decide. I have
little fixed wing flight time and therefore lack the experience to make a
comfortable judgement. Some opinions please?
Gary R. Roberts
Tucson, AZ
Kit A187
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Mike,
Same thing happened to me. Talked to Neville and Andy at Europa.
This is case for many builders. They told me that the tip mouldings
are too big. You have to blend it out with filler and cut the
moulding trailing tip.
First check if your aileron and flap TE lines up correct. One builder
in Norway had to extend the aileron flange (wings side).
Regards
Stephan Cassel
Norway
XS Mono
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Fit
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
If it is not too much trouble, could someone measure the wingtip end of
their
ailerons, as I'm having an alignment problem.
With the aileron lying flat on a table, my ailerons measure, 4.57cm/1.8"
from
the leading edge of the lip that the hinges are mounted to, to the top of
the
aileron. From that same hinge leading edge to the trailing edge I measure
17cm/ 6.93". And overall leading edge to trailing edge 20.6cm/8.125".
My problem arises when I mount the aileron in place using clecos, the
trailing edge of the aileron is 1.2cm/.475" short of the wingtip leading
edge, and
while the bottom surface of the aileron lines up the bottom surface of the
wingtip, the top surface is about .63cm/.250" lower across it's entire
length than
the wingtip top surface.
And this closely repeats on both port and starboard aileron. What am I doing
wrong?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Mike Hi!
>
> With the aileron lying flat on a table, my ailerons measure, 4.57cm/1.8" from
> the leading edge of the lip that the hinges are mounted to, to the top of the
> aileron. From that same hinge leading edge to the trailing edge I measure
> 17cm/ 6.93". And overall leading edge to trailing edge 20.6cm/8.125".
>
> My problem arises when I mount the aileron in place using clecos, the
> trailing edge of the aileron is 1.2cm/.475" short of the wingtip leading edge,
> and while the bottom surface of the aileron lines up the bottom surface of the
> wingtip, the top surface is about .63cm/.250" lower across it's entire length
> than the wingtip top surface.
Wingtip Leading edge? Do you mean Trail edge?
I've measured mine and discovered the Port Aileron measures 6 5/8", the
Starboard 6 3/4. The Trail edges are about aligned in a 'tidy' way. That
means it looks sort of OK. That measurement is width of outboard bottom
surface.
The Port Aileron is slightly lower than Starboard in alignment with top skin
of Wing. 1/8" in it.
Funnily as they are both sit at opposite extremes the difference isn't easy
to see. So guess what..... It it flies OK (Not too long now) then that's how
it will stay!
A photo might help posted to Photo-share service on Matronics Server.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi,
The wingtip moulding trailing edge must be cut.
(On my kit that is the case). But check that the flap
trailing edge lines up with the aileron trailing
edge.
Regards,
Stephan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Fit
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Mike Hi!
>
> With the aileron lying flat on a table, my ailerons measure, 4.57cm/1.8"
from
> the leading edge of the lip that the hinges are mounted to, to the top of
the
> aileron. From that same hinge leading edge to the trailing edge I measure
> 17cm/ 6.93". And overall leading edge to trailing edge 20.6cm/8.125".
>
> My problem arises when I mount the aileron in place using clecos, the
> trailing edge of the aileron is 1.2cm/.475" short of the wingtip leading
edge,
> and while the bottom surface of the aileron lines up the bottom surface of
the
> wingtip, the top surface is about .63cm/.250" lower across it's entire
length
> than the wingtip top surface.
Wingtip Leading edge? Do you mean Trail edge?
I've measured mine and discovered the Port Aileron measures 6 5/8", the
Starboard 6 3/4. The Trail edges are about aligned in a 'tidy' way. That
means it looks sort of OK. That measurement is width of outboard bottom
surface.
The Port Aileron is slightly lower than Starboard in alignment with top skin
of Wing. 1/8" in it.
Funnily as they are both sit at opposite extremes the difference isn't easy
to see. So guess what..... It it flies OK (Not too long now) then that's how
it will stay!
A photo might help posted to Photo-share service on Matronics Server.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | New Tailwheel Ply inserts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/07/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >> | gidday,
> >> | Some time ago I recall advice regarding the replacement, or substitution
> >> of the ply
> >> | inserts in the tailwheel setup due to compression forces squashing the
> >> ply. Is this
> >> | true of the new tailwheel setup, and if so, any advice as to what is a
> >> better
> >> | medium to use? No doubt a metal replacement would be possible, at the
> >> expense
There is another variable in this scenario that affects the tension of the
spring retaining bolt. That is the stiffness of the short length of (4130 I
trust?) steel with a relatively large 5/16" hole reducing its width and
stiffness. I have seen one or two of these bent by the bolt load at the
center. I would prefer to use a larger piece of steel with a small flange
on the forward end to increase bending stiffness. Then teh bolt tension is
spread over the whole of the area of the plywood inserts.
In the event of a large side load, such as the bump during a ground loop,
the bolt will bend and absorb a lot of the energy. (seen that, too) I don't
think there is much problem with the sternpost. I've never seen any damage
in that area. Don't forget though, I haven't seen as many Europas as the
factory have, so a second opinion from Andy and Neville would be most welcome.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
I have a Digitrak wing leveler and an aileron trim. The trim is only needed
with addition of passenger. The wing leveler just has less work to do and I
think it preferable to have a balanced plane without the leveler.
Ken Carpenter N9XS
----- Original Message -----
From: <grroberts3@juno.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Trim
> --> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
>
> All,
>
> I have installed a NavAid wing leveler as per the Club mod. Is an
> electric aileron trim redundant, or something I'll likely wish I had when
> I finally fly this thing? Now is the time I need to decide. I have
> little fixed wing flight time and therefore lack the experience to make a
> comfortable judgement. Some opinions please?
>
>
> Gary R. Roberts
> Tucson, AZ
> Kit A187
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 Engine Problem - Request for help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi All,
Has anyone experienced a similar problem and can anyone help with suggestions please?
On recent flights I have experienced some irregular misfiring when descending with
about quarter throttle and also the occasional hiccup in cruise, but on my
last flight the engine was running so roughly in the cruise I aborted the flight
and nursed it back home.
I carried out some tests on the way back. It ran very smoothly on full throttle,
it ran very smoothly on closed throttle, but in between it ran very roughly.
I checked the ignition when running roughly, but there was no change on either
mag. I tried coarsening and fining the prop to see if it was rpm related,
but it wasn't. I changed to reserve tank, but no change. The carbs are well
balanced at tickover and the engine runs smoothly right down to 1500 rpm. The
fuel filters are clean. I can only assume that the problem is related to carburation,
but find it difficult to believe that one can have a partial blockage,
or too much fuel with a needle jet in its mid range only. As tickover is
smooth and roughness stops in flight when descending with closed throttle, I can
only assume that the slow running mixture adjustment and associated jet are
OK. Are there any other jets apart from the main needle and slow running jet
to consider? Although I never have a problem with starting, can a problem with
the starting carb affect the mid range running only? Can a faulty float valve
affect mid range only? My engine has done about 480 hrs, should I be considering
renewing any of the carb parts as a precaution / planned maintenance etc?
I have had a brief chat with Conrad, but he was unable to put his finger
on the problem, so presumably my symptoms are unusual. He suggested I should
check the needles for wear and the carb rubber mounts / sleeves for splits, which
I will.
Many thanks for any help,
Regards,
William
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