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1. 12:46 AM - Re: New builder building in a single garage? (Jeremy Davey)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help (Fergus Kyle)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help (DJA727@aol.com)
5. 10:31 AM - (Erich Trombley)
6. 12:02 PM - spelling query (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
7. 05:18 PM - Wrong Size Wingtips? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
8. 05:45 PM - Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help (Europa Aircraft)
9. 05:52 PM - Re: spelling query (Robert Berube)
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| Subject: | New builder building in a single garage? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Paul,
(Sorry for the delayed reply, have been banging around New Orleans' Class B
airspace in a 172. Flight Following clearance for 'height your discretion'
straight over the downtown Superdome en-route to Lakefront was fun. I took
2000 ft which was about as low as I thought sensible :-) )
I know Gerry Holland has already got us in touch on this, but for the record
for anyone else wondering about this...
I'm successfully (???!!!) building kit 537M G-EZZA in a single garage that
is 8ft by 16ft. I've finished the feathers and the wings in that space, and
am working on the cockpit module presently. I have agreement of the
neighbours to add another 4ft of length with a wooden 'lean-to' structure on
the front for a couple of years while I'm working on the fuselage, but I
don't actually need that until I fit the engine.
In short, if you plan right and accept that you can't have masses of bits on
the go at once (unnecessary anyway), it's very feasible. Anyone interested
in more details, please just contact me.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bunting
Subject: Europa-List: New builder building in a single garage?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Bunting"
<paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
Hi All,
I am new to this list and have only just placed my order with Europa for a
starter kit here in the UK.
I was wondering if there was any members of this list who had already built
or are building a kit in a single garage. I do hope to gain access to a
larger workshop further down the build process though this is not certain, I
will be building the initial stages at least in my single garage.
If someone is out their and has done this I would appreciate any advice you
may have on possible layouts/setup for building the kit in a confined space.
If there is anyone in the UK that has completed or is nearing completion of
their kit and is looking to sell some tools used during the build process I
would be grateful if you could contact me directly at
paul.bunting@developtheweb.com as I may be interested in purchasing these
second hand from you.
Regards,
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help |
07/25/2003 09:16:51 AM,
Serialize complete at 07/25/2003 09:16:51 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Sorry, William, what is tickover?
Ira
N224XS with 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
|
| Hi All,
| Has anyone experienced a similar problem and can anyone help with
suggestions please?
| On recent flights I have experienced some irregular misfiring when
descending with about quarter throttle and also the occasional hiccup in
cruise, but on my last flight the engine was running so roughly in the
cruise I aborted the flight and nursed it back home.
| I carried out some tests on the way back. It ran very smoothly on full
throttle, it ran very smoothly on closed throttle, but in between it ran
very roughly. I checked the ignition when running roughly, but there was no
change on either mag. I tried coarsening and fining the prop to see if it
was rpm related, but it wasn't. I changed to reserve tank, but no change.
The carbs are well balanced at tickover and the engine runs smoothly right
down to 1500 rpm. The fuel filters are clean. I can only assume that the
problem is related to carburation, but find it difficult to believe that one
can have a partial blockage, or too much fuel with a needle jet in its mid
range only. As tickover is smooth and roughness stops in flight when
descending with closed throttle, I can only assume that the slow running
mixture adjustment and associated jet are OK. Are there any other jets
apart from the main needle and slow running jet to consider? Although I
never have a problem with !
| starting, can a problem with the starting carb affect the mid range
running only? Can a faulty float valve affect mid range only? My engine
has done about 480 hrs, should I be considering renewing any of the carb
parts as a precaution / planned maintenance etc? I have had a brief chat
with Conrad, but he was unable to put his finger on the problem, so
presumably my symptoms are unusual. He suggested I should check the needles
for wear and the carb rubber mounts / sleeves for splits, which I will.
| Many thanks for any help,
| Regards,
William,
There are those better qualified than I to comment, but I seem
to remember a message of midrange misfiring being caused (eventually) by a
suction leak in the fuel lines - greater effect in cruise/low power, than at
high power - and ground idle unaffected.
FWIW, the difficulty was in finding the leak, as no fuel drips, staining.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 7/24/2003 11:34:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
combined.merchants@virgin.net writes:
> Has anyone experienced a similar problem and can anyone help with
> suggestions please?
> On recent flights I have experienced some irregular misfiring when
> descending with about quarter throttle and also the occasional hiccup in cruise,
but
> on my last flight the engine was running so roughly in the cruise I aborted
> the flight and nursed it back home.
> I carried out some tests on the way back. It ran very smoothly on full
> throttle, it ran very smoothly on closed throttle, but in between it ran very
> roughly. I checked the ignition when running roughly, but there was no change
> on either mag. I tried coarsening and fining the prop to see if it was rpm
> related, but it wasn't. I changed to reserve tank, but no change. The carbs
> are well balanced at tickover and the engine runs smoothly right down to 1500
> rpm. The fuel filters are clean. I can only assume that the problem is
> related to carburation, but find it difficult to believe that one can have a
> partial blockage, or too much fuel with a needle jet in its mid range only.
As
> tickover is smooth and roughness stops in flight when descending with closed
> throttle, I can only assume that the slow running mixture adjustment and
> associated jet are OK. Are there any other jets apart from the main needle and
> slow running jet to consider? Although I never have a problem with !
> starting, can a problem with the starting carb affect the mid range running
> only? Can a faulty float valve affect mid range only? My engine has done
> about 480 hrs, should I be considering renewing any of the carb parts as a
> precaution / planned maintenance etc? I have had a brief chat with Conrad, but
> he was unable to put his finger on the problem, so presumably my symptoms are
> unusual. He suggested I should check the needles for wear and the carb
> rubber mounts / sleeves for splits, which I will.
Check your little hoses that run around the carburetor area. I have a 914, so
I don't know if the system is the same, but I had a very similar problem and
it turned out to be a split in one of those hoses.
Dave
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Gary,
I have been flying with the NavAid also. I would recommend installing some sort
of aileron trim. I used an electric unit mounted in the aileron. Although
I use the autopilot as much as possible there are times when you will hand fly
the plane and trim is a must. I notice a big difference between flying solo
and a passenger aboard. Also with the plane trimmed the autopilot has less work
to do.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET
All,
I have installed a NavAid wing leveler as per the Club mod. Is an
electric aileron trim redundant, or something I'll likely wish I had when
I finally fly this thing? Now is the time I need to decide. I have
little fixed wing flight time and therefore lack the experience to make a
comfortable judgement. Some opinions please?
Gary R. Roberts
Tucson, AZ
Kit A187
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Always trying to get my data more accurate, I'm hoping to tidy up the
records of first flight pilots.
I noticed I have several spellings of the guy who's done a number of
first flights of Europas in the Florida area. His first name is Lee,
but is his surname Olmernik, Omernick, Omernik, or maybe something
different from any of those?
Likewise there are two names very similar who have also done first
flights in USA; I have both T Henrub and T Hinyub, which sounds like
a typo or mis-hearing somewhere down the line.
Is the F Chapman who's done some French first flights the same as
Frank Chapman who's done some from English soil?
What about G Beale - is he the same as Gordon Beal, and which
spelling is correct?
Finally, is J Price the same as John Price?
I'm sure you all have engraved on your heart the name of the person
who first flew your creation, so I haven't bothered to add the
registration marks of the Europas involved. I'd like to hear from
anyone who can give authoritative answers, please!
regards
Rowland
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| Europa 435 G-ROWI (580 hours building) PFA #16532 EAA #168386
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| Subject: | Wrong Size Wingtips? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
This is a follow up of my previous question. Thanks to those that steered me
towards the wingtips being built to the wrong dimension. I have just finished
mounting the flap and aileron on my port wing. I also took the time to
reinstall the flap and aileron onto my starboard wing. The trailing edges of both
the
flap and aileron, on both port and starboard wings, line up just fine. But
the wingtip makes a big misalignment towards the outer end of the aileron.
Has anyone fought this problem already? What steps did you take to resolve
it? What did the factory have to say? I hope that I don't have to fill in then
feather out both ailerons!
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | 912 Engine Problem - Request for help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
William,
Check your CHT temps. If they are too low, the engine can fowl, even on
unleaded fuel. I had exactly the same problem, however when I got the
engine to run a little hotter, it went away. The roughness didn't show up
until the engine had about 400 hrs.
Good Luck!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Europa-List: 912 Engine Problem - Request for help
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi All,
Has anyone experienced a similar problem and can anyone help with
suggestions please?
On recent flights I have experienced some irregular misfiring when
descending with about quarter throttle and also the occasional hiccup in
cruise, but on my last flight the engine was running so roughly in the
cruise I aborted the flight and nursed it back home.
I carried out some tests on the way back. It ran very smoothly on full
throttle, it ran very smoothly on closed throttle, but in between it ran
very roughly. I checked the ignition when running roughly, but there was no
change on either mag. I tried coarsening and fining the prop to see if it
was rpm related, but it wasn't. I changed to reserve tank, but no change.
The carbs are well balanced at tickover and the engine runs smoothly right
down to 1500 rpm. The fuel filters are clean. I can only assume that the
problem is related to carburation, but find it difficult to believe that one
can have a partial blockage, or too much fuel with a needle jet in its mid
range only. As tickover is smooth and roughness stops in flight when
descending with closed throttle, I can only assume that the slow running
mixture adjustment and associated jet are OK. Are there any other jets
apart from the main needle and slow running jet to consider? Although I
never have a problem with !
starting, can a problem with the starting carb affect the mid range running
only? Can a faulty float valve affect mid range only? My engine has done
about 480 hrs, should I be considering renewing any of the carb parts as a
precaution / planned maintenance etc? I have had a brief chat with Conrad,
but he was unable to put his finger on the problem, so presumably my
symptoms are unusual. He suggested I should check the needles for wear and
the carb rubber mounts / sleeves for splits, which I will.
Many thanks for any help,
Regards,
William
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| Subject: | Re: spelling query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Roland,
The two tests pilots in the Florida area are Thurston (Jaybo) Hinyub and Lee
Omernik. Unfortunately Mr. Hinyub is no longer with us, He and his wife
Rusty were fatally injured in the crash of a D-18 a couple of years ago.
They were truly wonderful people and missed very much by everyone.
Regards,
Bob Berube
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland & Wilma Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: spelling query
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland & Wilma Carson
<rowil@clara.net>
>
> Always trying to get my data more accurate, I'm hoping to tidy up the
> records of first flight pilots.
>
> I noticed I have several spellings of the guy who's done a number of
> first flights of Europas in the Florida area. His first name is Lee,
> but is his surname Olmernik, Omernick, Omernik, or maybe something
> different from any of those?
>
> Likewise there are two names very similar who have also done first
> flights in USA; I have both T Henrub and T Hinyub, which sounds like
> a typo or mis-hearing somewhere down the line.
>
> Is the F Chapman who's done some French first flights the same as
> Frank Chapman who's done some from English soil?
>
> What about G Beale - is he the same as Gordon Beal, and which
> spelling is correct?
>
> Finally, is J Price the same as John Price?
>
> I'm sure you all have engraved on your heart the name of the person
> who first flew your creation, so I haven't bothered to add the
> registration marks of the Europas involved. I'd like to hear from
> anyone who can give authoritative answers, please!
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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