---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/01/03: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:41 AM - Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? (Tony Renshaw) 2. 05:56 AM - Re: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? (Kevin Klinefelter) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: Fin appears to be twisted (Fred Fillinger) 4. 12:55 PM - Re: Fin appears to be twisted (Michael Parkin) 5. 08:14 PM - Mounting the 914 (Steve Hagar) 6. 08:14 PM - Mounting the 914 (Steve Hagar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:52 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Gidday, I am in the process of sorting out some turnbuckles and would like to know for the cable thimbles if I need cable eyes or pin eyes? The difference is the internal curve on the cable eye, which I would think more ideal for distributing forces onto the turnbuckle. I am setting up the tailplane mass balance weight with a pair, and intend on having the turnbuckles forward spliced in with nicopress, and nicopress alone at the aft end. Similarly I will be using the same turnbuckles, the MS Clip-Lock Variety for my rudder setup. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:19 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Hi Tony, I believe cable eyes are what you are supposed to use for cable thimbles. I used AN bolts to attach the turnbuckle to the mass balance arm, then cables attached with thimbles to the rear. I suppose I should have used pin eyes for the forward bolted end of the turnbuckle, but I used cable eyes. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Gidday, I am in the process of sorting out some turnbuckles and would like to know for the cable thimbles if I need cable eyes or pin eyes? The difference is the internal curve on the cable eye, which I would think more ideal for distributing forces onto the turnbuckle. I am setting up the tailplane mass balance weight with a pair, and intend on having the turnbuckles forward spliced in with nicopress, and nicopress alone at the aft end. Similarly I will be using the same turnbuckles, the MS Clip-Lock Variety for my rudder setup. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:06 AM PST US From: Fred Fillinger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger Mine is like that, and proper Europa did that -- it cancels out propeller P-effect which exists in cruise also. Without the twist, deflected rudder, plus a deflected trim tab to keep it there, would be needed, which would be draggier. They say airplanes are a bunch of design compromises flying in loose formation...one example of many. Best, Fred F. > Heres a question I would welcome more than one response to. While standing > behind my Europa about 10 feet, sighting in and centering the top of the fin > to the space between the doors in the top of the fuselage, I have noticed > that just the top front of the fin appears to be 1 to 2 degrees towards > port. Keeping in mind the fin is completed and the rudder is temporarily > mounted. The sternpost and rudder are perfectly straight. Since I dont have > an engine mounted yet and its a tri gear you can notice it more with the > tail down. Could any of you look at yours to see if I am the only one with > this phenomenon? This may be a blessing in climb out but a big cruse > problem, or maybe a designed in the fin. Or maybe I did something wrong but > I cant imagine what, as the top went on without any problems. > > Thanks in advance to any one that can check their plane, > > Jeff Roberts > Tri A258 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:41 PM PST US From: "Michael Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" Jeff, Yep, mine is worse than 1-2degs - it flies really fine - press on!! regards, Mike Parkin G-JULZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Roberts" Subject: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts > > Heres a question I would welcome more than one response to. While standing > behind my Europa about 10 feet, sighting in and centering the top of the fin > to the space between the doors in the top of the fuselage, I have noticed > that just the top front of the fin appears to be 1 to 2 degrees towards > port. Keeping in mind the fin is completed and the rudder is temporarily > mounted. The sternpost and rudder are perfectly straight. Since I dont have > an engine mounted yet and its a tri gear you can notice it more with the > tail down. Could any of you look at yours to see if I am the only one with > this phenomenon? This may be a blessing in climb out but a big cruse > problem, or maybe a designed in the fin. Or maybe I did something wrong but > I cant imagine what, as the top went on without any problems. > > Thanks in advance to any one that can check their plane, > > > Jeff Roberts > Tri A258 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Mounting the 914 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" I was all ready to have an engine mounting party this weekend and have found a discrepancy. The manual and the accompanying illustration call for An5-40 bolts to mount the engine to landing gear frame. No bolts to be found. However there was no listing on any bill of materials for these either. Have others had to buy these as extra hardware? So I guess its a call to AC Spruce. The verbage in the manual calls for - 41 bolts, however the diagram in the manual calls for -40's. Which gives a better fitup? Input would be greatly appreciated. --- Steve Hagar --- hagargs@earthlink.net A143 Mesa,Az ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Mounting the 914 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" I was all ready to have an engine mounting party this weekend and have found a discrepancy. The manual and the accompanying illustration call for An5-40 bolts to mount the engine to landing gear frame. No bolts to be found. However there was no listing on any bill of materials for these either. Have others had to buy these as extra hardware? So I guess its a call to AC Spruce. The verbage in the manual calls for - 41 bolts, however the diagram in the manual calls for -40's. Which gives a better fitup? Input would be greatly appreciated. --- Steve Hagar --- hagargs@earthlink.net A143 Mesa,Az