---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/04/03: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:17 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/03/03 (Peter Austin) 2. 03:46 AM - Lydeway Fly-in (Gerry Holland) 3. 01:27 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/01/03 (Steven Pitt) 4. 01:31 PM - Engine Cowling NACA Inlet (Gerry Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:59 AM PST US From: "Peter Austin" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/03/03 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Austin" Tony, I had the same problem, on enquiry the factory admitted the M5x50 was too short and I replaced it with a M5x60, this allows plenty for the nylox nut to bite. And correct friction achieved. Regards Peter. Living life behind a sanding mask > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > Gidday, > Yesterday I made up the Trim Damper Assembly and much to my surprise the > friction is amazingly high. I needed to use a fair bit of muscle to move > it, maybe 30-40 kg of pressure at a guess. I have heard it is to provide > about 4-6 kg of drag, but I haven't had this substantiated yet. The TS04A > bolt, the one with the smaller longer M5 X 50 going up its middle, has to > be cut to 28 mm from underneath the head. I didn't doubt this dimension, > silly me, and cut it, only to find that when I tighten the M10 Nylock > enough to engage the nylon, it is too tight. My first fix was to remove 2-3 > mm of the thickness of the M10, as it is a very deep nut, but this wasn't > enough. I am now removing the paint on the friction surfaces that the > teflon washers slide on in the hope this will relieve some more drag. > Beyond that a mate removed some of the length of the spring, but I notice > each end of my spring is flattened, and I wouldn't know how to deform the > end of the spring to get it to be the same. Any fixes out there, or should > I get onto Europa and get another TS04A, and not cut it till I have the > Nylock on and determine my own length for the ideal friction? > Reg > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Australia > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Lydeway Fly-in From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Nigel and Cathy Many Thanks for organising such a great Day on Saturday at Lydeway Strip and the visiting Europa's who managed to grab a 'slot' at this limited event. A combination of Nigel and Cathy's Family, Europa's (Funny lot!!!) and most of the Villagers sounds like hell. It worked incredibly well with all the Villages now very happy about the flights they received after an excellent Barbeque but also the presence of Aircraft in the vicinity of their Village. An object lesson in dealing with objections to local Airstrips. Kind Regards Gerry Gerry Holland Europa 384 G-FIZY +44 7808 402404 gnholland@onetel.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:26 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/01/03 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" I called the factory when I found I was short of engine parts and they sent me what was missing. It depends on when you got your engine from the factory as to how the error happened. Steve Pitt #403 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa-List Digest Server" Subject: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/01/03 > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can be also be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list/Digest.Europa-List.2003-08-01.ht ml > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list/Digest.Europa-List.2003-08-01.tx t > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 08/01/03: 6 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:41 AM - Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? (Tony Renshaw) > 2. 05:56 AM - Re: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? (Kevin Klinefelter) > 3. 07:34 AM - Re: Fin appears to be twisted (Fred Fillinger) > 4. 12:55 PM - Re: Fin appears to be twisted (Michael Parkin) > 5. 08:14 PM - Mounting the 914 (Steve Hagar) > 6. 08:14 PM - Mounting the 914 (Steve Hagar) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:41:52 AM PST US > From: Tony Renshaw > Subject: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > Gidday, > I am in the process of sorting out some turnbuckles and would like to know > for the cable thimbles if I need cable eyes or pin eyes? The difference is > the internal curve on the cable eye, which I would think more ideal for > distributing forces onto the turnbuckle. I am setting up the tailplane mass > balance weight with a pair, and intend on having the turnbuckles forward > spliced in with nicopress, and nicopress alone at the aft end. Similarly I > will be using the same turnbuckles, the MS Clip-Lock Variety for my rudder > setup. > Reg > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Australia > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:56:19 AM PST US > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" > > Hi Tony, I believe cable eyes are what you are supposed to use for cable > thimbles. I used AN bolts to attach the turnbuckle to the mass balance arm, > then cables attached with thimbles to the rear. I suppose I should have used > pin eyes for the forward bolted end of the turnbuckle, but I used cable > eyes. > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw > Subject: Europa-List: Pin or Cable Eyes for Thimbles???? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > > Gidday, > I am in the process of sorting out some turnbuckles and would like to know > for the cable thimbles if I need cable eyes or pin eyes? The difference is > the internal curve on the cable eye, which I would think more ideal for > distributing forces onto the turnbuckle. I am setting up the tailplane mass > balance weight with a pair, and intend on having the turnbuckles forward > spliced in with nicopress, and nicopress alone at the aft end. Similarly I > will be using the same turnbuckles, the MS Clip-Lock Variety for my rudder > setup. > Reg > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Australia > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:34:06 AM PST US > From: Fred Fillinger > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger > > Mine is like that, and proper Europa did that -- it cancels out > propeller P-effect which exists in cruise also. Without the twist, > deflected rudder, plus a deflected trim tab to keep it there, would be > needed, which would be draggier. They say airplanes are a bunch of > design compromises flying in loose formation...one example of many. > > Best, > Fred F. > > > Heres a question I would welcome more than one response to. While standing > > behind my Europa about 10 feet, sighting in and centering the top of the fin > > to the space between the doors in the top of the fuselage, I have noticed > > that just the top front of the fin appears to be 1 to 2 degrees towards > > port. Keeping in mind the fin is completed and the rudder is temporarily > > mounted. The sternpost and rudder are perfectly straight. Since I dont have > > an engine mounted yet and its a tri gear you can notice it more with the > > tail down. Could any of you look at yours to see if I am the only one with > > this phenomenon? This may be a blessing in climb out but a big cruse > > problem, or maybe a designed in the fin. Or maybe I did something wrong but > > I cant imagine what, as the top went on without any problems. > > > > Thanks in advance to any one that can check their plane, > > > > Jeff Roberts > > Tri A258 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:55:41 PM PST US > From: "Michael Parkin" > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" > > Jeff, > > Yep, mine is worse than 1-2degs - it flies really fine - press on!! > > regards, > > Mike Parkin G-JULZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Roberts" > Subject: Europa-List: Fin appears to be twisted > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts > > > > Heres a question I would welcome more than one response to. While standing > > behind my Europa about 10 feet, sighting in and centering the top of the > fin > > to the space between the doors in the top of the fuselage, I have noticed > > that just the top front of the fin appears to be 1 to 2 degrees towards > > port. Keeping in mind the fin is completed and the rudder is temporarily > > mounted. The sternpost and rudder are perfectly straight. Since I dont > have > > an engine mounted yet and its a tri gear you can notice it more with the > > tail down. Could any of you look at yours to see if I am the only one with > > this phenomenon? This may be a blessing in climb out but a big cruse > > problem, or maybe a designed in the fin. Or maybe I did something wrong > but > > I cant imagine what, as the top went on without any problems. > > > > Thanks in advance to any one that can check their plane, > > > > > > Jeff Roberts > > Tri A258 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US > From: "Steve Hagar" > Subject: Europa-List: Mounting the 914 > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > I was all ready to have an engine mounting party this weekend and have > found a discrepancy. The manual and the accompanying illustration call for > An5-40 bolts to mount the engine to landing gear frame. No bolts to be > found. However there was no listing on any bill of materials for these > either. Have others had to buy these as extra hardware? So I guess its a > call to AC Spruce. The verbage in the manual calls for - 41 bolts, however > the diagram in the manual calls for -40's. Which gives a better fitup? > Input would be greatly appreciated. > > > --- Steve Hagar > --- hagargs@earthlink.net > A143 > Mesa,Az > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US > From: "Steve Hagar" > Subject: Europa-List: Mounting the 914 > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > I was all ready to have an engine mounting party this weekend and have > found a discrepancy. The manual and the accompanying illustration call for > An5-40 bolts to mount the engine to landing gear frame. No bolts to be > found. However there was no listing on any bill of materials for these > either. Have others had to buy these as extra hardware? So I guess its a > call to AC Spruce. The verbage in the manual calls for - 41 bolts, however > the diagram in the manual calls for -40's. Which gives a better fitup? > Input would be greatly appreciated. > > > --- Steve Hagar > --- hagargs@earthlink.net > A143 > Mesa,Az > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Engine Cowling NACA Inlet From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Hi! Any chance someone has a digital photo and some rough dimensions for the Top Cowling NACA Vent that feeds the Plenum Chamber. I'm using non XS Cowlings for my Rotax and dont have the 'scribed' shape to work with. Thanks Gerry Gerry Holland Europa 384 G-FIZY +44 7808 402404 gnholland@onetel.com