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1. 10:03 AM - Tailwheel (Alan Twigg)
2. 10:30 AM - Re: Tailwheel (Cy Galley)
3. 11:05 AM - Re: Tailwheel (Rob Housman)
4. 11:15 AM - Re: Tailwheel (Alan Twigg)
5. 11:16 AM - Re: Tailwheel (Alan Twigg)
6. 11:25 AM - Fly-in at Lydeway (Nigel Charles)
7. 10:53 PM - Tony Renshaw. Over quota. (R.C.Harrison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
My first entry so be gentle with me,
I am about to get some soft CAD plating done on some steel parts. I notice the
tailwheel leg/spring has some light corrosion on it and it has never left the
workshop.
My dilemma is do I plate it or not, will plating embrittle and affect spring qualities,
if indeed it is a spring?
I also just got the main ( Mono) leg painted in a chip resistant white, it made
the engine/ gear mount and Rudder pedal paintwork look amateur,( the rudder pedal
paint came off with the masking tape factory wrapped around it), so I decided
to repaint. Cleaning it off with Nitromors it just ran off, with residual
wiped off with a cloth, no sign of surface prep or priming.
Anyone else repainted these items?
Regards Alan Twigg
Mono Motorglider G-GIWT
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
ALL acid based plating incurs Hydrogen embrittlement and needs to be baked,
I've been told.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
1-518-731-6800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
>
> My first entry so be gentle with me,
>
> I am about to get some soft CAD plating done on some steel parts. I
notice the tailwheel leg/spring has some light corrosion on it and it has
never left the workshop.
> My dilemma is do I plate it or not, will plating embrittle and affect
spring qualities, if indeed it is a spring?
>
> I also just got the main ( Mono) leg painted in a chip resistant white, it
made the engine/ gear mount and Rudder pedal paintwork look amateur,( the
rudder pedal paint came off with the masking tape factory wrapped around
it), so I decided to repaint. Cleaning it off with Nitromors it just ran
off, with residual wiped off with a cloth, no sign of surface prep or
priming.
> Anyone else repainted these items?
>
> Regards Alan Twigg
> Mono Motorglider G-GIWT
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
You are correct in re: hydrogen embrittlement, but if the plater does the
job correctly, i. e., uses a so-called "pickle aid" in the hydrochloric acid
dip prior to plating and follows that with a bake at 175 to 200 C for up to
3 hours the stress due to hydrogen embrittlement can be relieved.
Unless the corrosion is severe this pre-plating treatment, which is required
for plating, will also remove the corrosion.
Just a suggestion for purely cosmetic reasons, but nickel plating will
provide corrosion resistance and look better than cadmium.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailwheel
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
ALL acid based plating incurs Hydrogen embrittlement and needs to be baked,
I've been told.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
1-518-731-6800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
>
> My first entry so be gentle with me,
>
> I am about to get some soft CAD plating done on some steel parts. I
notice the tailwheel leg/spring has some light corrosion on it and it has
never left the workshop.
> My dilemma is do I plate it or not, will plating embrittle and affect
spring qualities, if indeed it is a spring?
>
> I also just got the main ( Mono) leg painted in a chip resistant white, it
made the engine/ gear mount and Rudder pedal paintwork look amateur,( the
rudder pedal paint came off with the masking tape factory wrapped around
it), so I decided to repaint. Cleaning it off with Nitromors it just ran
off, with residual wiped off with a cloth, no sign of surface prep or
priming.
> Anyone else repainted these items?
>
> Regards Alan Twigg
> Mono Motorglider G-GIWT
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
Thanks Rob, the plating company does work for Rolls-Royce so I will pass on
your sugestions, I am sure they will be able to comply, ( might even make me
look more knowlegable).
Alan Twigg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailwheel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> You are correct in re: hydrogen embrittlement, but if the plater does the
> job correctly, i. e., uses a so-called "pickle aid" in the hydrochloric
acid
> dip prior to plating and follows that with a bake at 175 to 200 C for up
to
> 3 hours the stress due to hydrogen embrittlement can be relieved.
>
> Unless the corrosion is severe this pre-plating treatment, which is
required
> for plating, will also remove the corrosion.
>
> Just a suggestion for purely cosmetic reasons, but nickel plating will
> provide corrosion resistance and look better than cadmium.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airfarame complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailwheel
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> ALL acid based plating incurs Hydrogen embrittlement and needs to be
baked,
> I've been told.
>
> Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
> Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
> www.bellanca-championclub.com
> Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
> Quarterly newsletters on time
> Reasonable document reprints
> 1-518-731-6800
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
> To: "Europa-List Digest Server" <europa-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg"
<alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > My first entry so be gentle with me,
> >
> > I am about to get some soft CAD plating done on some steel parts. I
> notice the tailwheel leg/spring has some light corrosion on it and it has
> never left the workshop.
> > My dilemma is do I plate it or not, will plating embrittle and affect
> spring qualities, if indeed it is a spring?
> >
> > I also just got the main ( Mono) leg painted in a chip resistant white,
it
> made the engine/ gear mount and Rudder pedal paintwork look amateur,( the
> rudder pedal paint came off with the masking tape factory wrapped around
> it), so I decided to repaint. Cleaning it off with Nitromors it just ran
> off, with residual wiped off with a cloth, no sign of surface prep or
> priming.
> > Anyone else repainted these items?
> >
> > Regards Alan Twigg
> > Mono Motorglider G-GIWT
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
Thanks Cy, I think Rob Housman covered thge subject well.
Alan Twigg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailwheel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> ALL acid based plating incurs Hydrogen embrittlement and needs to be
baked,
> I've been told.
>
> Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
> Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
> www.bellanca-championclub.com
> Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
> Quarterly newsletters on time
> Reasonable document reprints
> 1-518-731-6800
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
> To: "Europa-List Digest Server" <europa-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg"
<alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > My first entry so be gentle with me,
> >
> > I am about to get some soft CAD plating done on some steel parts. I
> notice the tailwheel leg/spring has some light corrosion on it and it has
> never left the workshop.
> > My dilemma is do I plate it or not, will plating embrittle and affect
> spring qualities, if indeed it is a spring?
> >
> > I also just got the main ( Mono) leg painted in a chip resistant white,
it
> made the engine/ gear mount and Rudder pedal paintwork look amateur,( the
> rudder pedal paint came off with the masking tape factory wrapped around
> it), so I decided to repaint. Cleaning it off with Nitromors it just ran
> off, with residual wiped off with a cloth, no sign of surface prep or
> priming.
> > Anyone else repainted these items?
> >
> > Regards Alan Twigg
> > Mono Motorglider G-GIWT
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly-in at Lydeway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
The fly-in at Lydeway last week-end was a very successful event. I have received
many thank-you cards from local residents asking me to pass their thanks to
the pilots who took them flying. At one stage we had 6 aircraft in the circuit
and I am pleased to say that the professional approach by all those involved
ensured we had a safe and enjoyable day. Well done. Even the slow flying Aeronca
with an intermittent radio didn't cause too many problems. Limiting the fly-in
to 10 aircraft proved to be a sensible number so we will keep to this limit
for future years.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Tony Renshaw. Over quota. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Anyone that can get in touch with Tony Renshaw tell him his message box is
"temporarily over quota" and that I need to hear from him? His messages
which I have replied to are being returned by the Demon Mailer.
Thanks in anticipation ....
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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