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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Stress Analysis/Barry Mellers ???????????? (G-IANI)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Filling around the cowl area (Paul McAllister)
3. 07:15 AM - electric artificial horizon and direction indicator (ctsmallwood)
4. 08:06 AM - Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. (Peter Zutrauen)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: Filling around the cowl area (Rob Housman)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. (Paul McAllister)
7. 11:37 AM - Re: electric artificial horizon and direction indicator (KarkelB@aol.com)
8. 12:44 PM - Outrigger wheels? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. (Kingsley Hurst)
10. 05:27 PM - Re: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. (Peter Zutrauen)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: Filling around the cowl area (David DeFord)
12. 08:31 PM - Re: Filling around the cowl area (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Stress Analysis/Barry Mellers ???????????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
You can get Barry Mellers on "mellers@totalise.co.uk" I have his address
and telephone number if required and will supply it for you off list if
required.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Stress Analysis/Barry Mellers ????????????
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am after contact details for Barry Mellers and was hoping someone in the
UK could help me. He was recommended by Andy at Europa for structural
analysis mod work etc. I anticipate putting a single, largish access on the
floor of the fuse on the longitudinal axis, between the rudder pedal
pulleys, and need his guidance. Anyone knowing his whereabouts please??
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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| Subject: | Re: Filling around the cowl area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Thanks, - Paul
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From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Filling around the cowl area
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
> I thinned each a little and filled the fuselage out to meet them. Mine was
> the same as yours, but a classic.
> Troy Maynor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Filling around the cowl area
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering what other have done with respect to filling the
transition
> between the cowl and the fuselage. In particular the joggle makes the
cowl
> sit high in this area by 3 mm. This would require a lot of filler to be
put
> on the fuselage. I am thinking of recessing the fuselage instead. I
> suspect that I will have to take out quite a bit of material and to be
> prepared to have to reinforce it with cloth.
>
> Another approach would be to remove the joggle in on the bottom cowl so I
> don't have a double thickness of material, however this would leave the
> bottom cowl unsupported in the corner which would be undesirable.
>
> I'd be interested to know what others have done.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
> http://europa363.versadev.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | electric artificial horizon and direction indicator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.net.uk>
Just about ready to fit instruments.
Want to stay all electric in prep for
glider wings'.Can any one supply
an Art. Hor and a Directional Ind?
Colin Smallwood Kit 232 Tri gear
Derbyshire UK
01773 570329
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| Subject: | Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Folks,
After reading many of the websites out there and reading over the
instructions, I am wondering what the reason is for the 15mm recessed
position (with respect to the tunnel sides) of the inner thigh support
ribs.
What parts of the landing gear mechanism does this 15mm offset
accommodate?
Cheers & thanks,
Pete
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| Subject: | Filling around the cowl area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Because that part of the fuselage molding must remain structurally sound it
would be better to remove as much excess epoxy resin from the aft end of the
cowl moldings before attacking the fuselage moldings. Fortunately my
moldings required little "adjustment" to get a good fit at the region
forward of the windscreen so the only significant fit problem was where the
upper and lower cowl moldings come together to join the fuselage. In
sanding that area to get a good fit I found that it was necessary to
perforate the fuselage and reinforce the puncture with epoxy-glass, but I
avoided doing this for a larger area for fear of weakening the structure.
It is better to add a bit of weight rather than removing essential
structure.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Filling around the cowl area
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I was wondering what other have done with respect to filling the transition
between the cowl and the fuselage. In particular the joggle makes the cowl
sit high in this area by 3 mm. This would require a lot of filler to be put
on the fuselage. I am thinking of recessing the fuselage instead. I
suspect that I will have to take out quite a bit of material and to be
prepared to have to reinforce it with cloth.
Another approach would be to remove the joggle in on the bottom cowl so I
don't have a double thickness of material, however this would leave the
bottom cowl unsupported in the corner which would be undesirable.
I'd be interested to know what others have done.
Regards, Paul
http://europa363.versadev.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Peter,
When the brake pads wear they move out and it is possible for them to
interfere in this area. I actually had to cut part of the support away and
make a small fiberglass recess to clear my brake cylinder.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> After reading many of the websites out there and reading over the
> instructions, I am wondering what the reason is for the 15mm recessed
> position (with respect to the tunnel sides) of the inner thigh support
> ribs.
>
> What parts of the landing gear mechanism does this 15mm offset
> accommodate?
>
> Cheers & thanks,
> Pete
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: electric artificial horizon and direction indicator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: KarkelB@aol.com
Hi,
i have decided to go for the grandrapids efis system and i have a used
electric artificial horizon .I also have an argus 5000 movingmap/directional
gyro and a Narco nav122(vor stand alone) Make me an offer. I'm based in london.
regards Karim.
# 420
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| Subject: | Outrigger wheels? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone ever try Inline skate wheels as a replacement for outrigger wheels?
Check out 100MM ones here:
http://www.nettracing.com/wheels.htm
I am sure you can get sealed BBs for them.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Peter,
In addition to what Paul McAllister has said about the brake pads wearing,
extra room is also required for the routing of the rudder cables if you
install them as per the manual. I would be loath to move them if I were
you.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> After reading many of the websites out there and reading over the
> instructions, I am wondering what the reason is for the 15mm recessed
> position (with respect to the tunnel sides) of the inner thigh support
> ribs.
>
> What parts of the landing gear mechanism does this 15mm offset
> accommodate?
>
> Cheers & thanks,
> Pete
>
>
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| Subject: | Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Thanks all for the info...
I'll keep them at 15mm.
Cheers & thanks again (this forum is great!),
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Kingsley Hurst [mailto:hurstkr@growzone.com.au]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Peter,
In addition to what Paul McAllister has said about the brake pads
wearing,
extra room is also required for the routing of the rudder cables if you
install them as per the manual. I would be loath to move them if I were
you.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Inner (tunnel) Thigh Support ribs position.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> After reading many of the websites out there and reading over the
> instructions, I am wondering what the reason is for the 15mm recessed
> position (with respect to the tunnel sides) of the inner thigh support
> ribs.
>
> What parts of the landing gear mechanism does this 15mm offset
> accommodate?
>
> Cheers & thanks,
> Pete
>
>
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| Subject: | Filling around the cowl area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> I was wondering what other have done with respect to filling
> the transition between the cowl and the fuselage. In
> particular the joggle makes the cowl sit high in this area by
> 3 mm. This would require a lot of filler to be put on the
> fuselage. I am thinking of recessing the fuselage instead.
> I suspect that I will have to take out quite a bit of
> material and to be prepared to have to reinforce it with cloth.
>
> Another approach would be to remove the joggle in on the
> bottom cowl so I don't have a double thickness of material,
> however this would leave the bottom cowl unsupported in the
> corner which would be undesirable.
>
> I'd be interested to know what others have done.
>
We removed about an inch of the joggle on the lower cowl at the top aft
corners, so the screws hold only the upper cowl at those points. This has
worked out just fine for us. The lower cowl is held precisely in place,
between the upper cowl and fuselage joggle, and there are plenty of screws
remaining around the lower cowl to keep it firmly attached.
Dave DeFord
M135TD
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| Subject: | Re: Filling around the cowl area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger <fillinger@ameritech.net>
> We removed about an inch of the joggle on the lower cowl at the top aft
> corners, so the screws hold only the upper cowl at those points. This has
> worked out just fine for us. The lower cowl is held precisely in place,
> between the upper cowl and fuselage joggle, and there are plenty of screws
> remaining around the lower cowl to keep it firmly attached.
>
> Dave DeFord
> M135TD
Did the same thing, and altered screw spacing so the top screw on the
lower cowl is more nearish to the top of the lower cowl half. I agree,
it's still affixed solid.
Fred F.
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