---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/12/03: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:45 AM - Re: Filling around the cowl area (Rob Housman) 2. 04:45 PM - Winter ASI or Not????? (Tony Renshaw) 3. 05:09 PM - Re: Winter ASI or Not????? (Tony S. Krzyzewski) 4. 07:14 PM - Rivet Question (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 5. 07:27 PM - Re: Winter ASI or Not????? (Tony Renshaw) 6. 07:35 PM - Hand Setting Rivets (Tony Renshaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:15 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Filling around the cowl area --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Your mention of screw locations reminded me that there is another concern with locating the cowl attachment screw holes - the location of the panel attachment screw holes. As I learned from a post on this forum several years ago, it is easy enough to have the two sets of fasteners interfere with each other. It would be a good idea to plan both sets of attachment points at the same time (for obvious reasons). Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Fillinger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filling around the cowl area --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Fillinger > We removed about an inch of the joggle on the lower cowl at the top aft > corners, so the screws hold only the upper cowl at those points. This has > worked out just fine for us. The lower cowl is held precisely in place, > between the upper cowl and fuselage joggle, and there are plenty of screws > remaining around the lower cowl to keep it firmly attached. > > Dave DeFord > M135TD Did the same thing, and altered screw spacing so the top screw on the lower cowl is more nearish to the top of the lower cowl half. I agree, it's still affixed solid. Fred F. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:48 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Winter ASI or Not????? --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Gidday, At first I didn't like the Winter 6443 ASI but it has grown on me as I now think of it as "Europa Specific". Now you can tell that I havent flown in too many gliders as I have it on expert authority that they are more common in them. Having said all that, I am aware of what Europa say about this for speed management at low IAS, for example on takeoff, but I want to know what other users think of them please. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:38 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Winter ASI or Not????? From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" Tony, Tell you what. Why not buy my ASI so I can buy a Winter! Having an ASI that works at low speeds in the Europa is really good. I use the RMI uEncoder as my primary approach instrument as it's sensitive down at low speeds and allows me to really nail the approach/final/flare speeds. Having a Winter ASI would achieve the same sort of thing. Tony [eagerly awaiting the arrival of the plane back from the painters] ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:05 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Rivet Question --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Hello to All, My friend that allows me to use his rivet squeezer has gone on vacation for three weeks just when I needed him, or it. He's an RV builder and knows his rivets. He inspects my workmanship after I'm done and gives me some good information, since I have never had to squeeze rivets before this. Anyone know of any acceptable caveman ways of squeezing these without a real tool? Is a vise OK to use? Ball peen hammer on an anvil? But that removes any evidence of the "dot" on the head and flattens it. My only options would be to wait for his return or pay over $125 for a tool that I'll rarely use. Both of these ways bother me. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Trigear ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:48 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: RE: Europa-List: Winter ASI or Not????? --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Yee ha on the painting. I hope it stays on ;-) Reg Tony R. At 12:07 PM 8/13/2003 +1200, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" > >Tony, > >Tell you what. Why not buy my ASI so I can buy a Winter! > >Having an ASI that works at low speeds in the Europa is really good. I >use the RMI uEncoder as my primary approach instrument as it's sensitive >down at low speeds and allows me to really nail the approach/final/flare >speeds. > >Having a Winter ASI would achieve the same sort of thing. > >Tony [eagerly awaiting the arrival of the plane back from the painters] > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:45 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Hand Setting Rivets --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Mike, Rivet setting tool from ACS or friendly LAME. Peen out the head a little with a flat punch and then drive home with balanced job and accurate "technical taps". 2 people required as it is basically impossible without the job being kept steady on the end of the setting tool, unless you have 3 arms, no 4. Head size 1/5 times original diameter. Secret for hand setting..... Use a spring loaded centrepunch to establish/re-establish small drilling hole for removal prior to drilling. This will ensure drill remains centred and doesn't walk away from shaft below. Careful depth of drilling so that head alone can be cut off with sharp chisel. I hope I haven't jinxed you with this tip. Good luck. Reg Tony Renshaw At 10:13 PM 8/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > >Hello to All, > >My friend that allows me to use his rivet squeezer has gone on vacation for >three weeks just when I needed him, or it. He's an RV builder and knows his >rivets. He inspects my workmanship after I'm done and gives me some good >information, since I have never had to squeeze rivets before this. >Anyone know of any acceptable caveman ways of squeezing these without a real >tool? Is a vise OK to use? Ball peen hammer on an anvil? But that removes any >evidence of the "dot" on the head and flattens it. >My only options would be to wait for his return or pay over $125 for a tool >that I'll rarely use. Both of these ways bother me. > >Mike Duane A207 >Redding, California >XS Trigear > >