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1. 01:59 AM - Re: Oil Level (Carl & Dot)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: Winter ASI or Not????? (Tony Renshaw)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Oil Level (DJA727@aol.com)
4. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Level (Peter Davis)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Level (Peter Davis)
6. 06:29 PM - Tailplane Pitch (Alan Stills)
7. 08:44 PM - Re: Tailplane Pitch (Tony Renshaw)
8. 11:01 PM - Re: Oil Level (William Mills)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
H Peter,
Since my first flight (and especially since new dipstick) I have had the
same concerns.
I understand though that this is perfectly normal. If you look hard enough,
the Rotax manuals suggest running the engine for 1 minute before checking
the oil level. Personally I feel this practice will increase engine wear
(and starter motor).
My solution is to manually rotate the prop blades (in the correct direction)
for about three full turns until you hear air benig blown back into the oil
tank. Its a bit of a pain but good exercise ! (just be aware of the prop
tips - they have cut me several times).
Needless to say make sure the mags are well and truly off before attempting
this.
Another option is to turn the engine using the starter, but if you have a
proper starter switch you wont be able to do this without activating the
magnetos.
Safe flying,
Carl
PS If you want a chat, my number is 01296 738129 (just in case you have lost
it)
PPS What oil are you using (I have changed to Castrol RS Superbike since my
oil temp rose to 135 last week in the hot weather- guess I will need to move
the oil cooler from behind the radiators)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Oil Level
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just thought it was time I asked the question.
>
> Since completing my 'plane (first flight Aug. 1999) I have experienced oil
> siphoning out of the tank into (presumably) the crank case if it is left
> unused for a number of days. I used to recon on two weeks for the level on
> the dipstick to go from full to less than half way down the 'flat' on the
> stick, but with the advent of the new improved dipstick - which requires
> more oil in the tank and has a shorter 'flat' - this seems to be more like
a
> week.
>
> The system is a 'Classic' airframe with the 80hp 912 and oil tank on the
> port side as instructed. The tank is set at the correct height according
to
> the manual - in fact there is no possibility of it being anywhere else due
> to the exhaust stubs, cowlings, firewall, etc.
>
> This doesn't cause me too much of a problem - I just have to ensure I go
> flying at least once a week :-) but am curious as to whether anyone else
has
> come across this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:peterdavis@ntlworld.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter ASI or Not????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Graham,
Thanks for the tip. I am now off to have a look at the Dynon site.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 10:58 AM 8/13/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
>At 23:56 12/08/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Winter ASI or Not?????
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>At first I didn't like the Winter 6443 ASI but it has grown on me as I now
>think of it as "Europa Specific". I am aware of what Europa say about this for
>speed management at low IAS, for example on takeoff, but I want to know
>what other users think of them please. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>
>Tony
>I would recommend the Dynon AI which has airspeed , altitude and AOA
>displayed as tapes. AOA is the right way to control airspeed. It tells you
>instantly if something has changed. Any ASI only tells you something
>changed 20 seconds ago.
>Graham
>
>
>---
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
What I have done is to check the oil at the end of every flight. Since I am
the only one flying it, I can check the airplane the next time I fly. If no oil
is leaking, then the oil level should be OK. Looking at the level of oil at
start will make sense depending on how long the airplane has sat and what the
level was after the last flight. One other consideration is that the engine
flew with the old dip stick for years. This new one is just more conservative,
I
think. Just keep it topped off!
Dave
A227 Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Hi Dave,
I used to check it after each flight, and still do occasionally if really
necessary. However, after burning my thumb and finger so often I am very
circumspect about doing this now unless I am hanging around for an hour or
so!
The nice thing is that allowing for the level 'ups and downs' I don't seem
to use much at all between 50 hour replacements. Nice engine, the 912.
Regards,
Peter
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil Level
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
What I have done is to check the oil at the end of every flight. Since I am
the only one flying it, I can check the airplane the next time I fly. If no
oil
is leaking, then the oil level should be OK. Looking at the level of oil at
start will make sense depending on how long the airplane has sat and what
the
level was after the last flight. One other consideration is that the engine
flew with the old dip stick for years. This new one is just more
conservative, I
think. Just keep it topped off!
Dave
A227 Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Hi Carl,
Nice to know I am not unique with this! I don't seem to have much luck with
turning the prop by hand to get the oil back into the tank. The pump seems
to out pace the crank case pressure at that speed (give me a scavenge pump
any day).
Agree with you about running the engine for short bursts - doesn't do the
thing any good and if I am unable to go flying for over a week (like in this
recent weather - Vis was zero in Oxfordshire) I find a nice quiet corner of
the 'field and run it up for 30 minutes or so to get the 'T's nice and high.
Now someone will tell me that this isn't good for the engine either :-(
The oil I am using Motul 5100 - one from the list recommended by Rotax. This
is semi-synthetic with a gear additive and being semi allows me to use Avgas
to top up when away from home.
I'll give you a ring during the w/e.
Regards,
Peter
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl & Dot
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil Level
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
H Peter,
Since my first flight (and especially since new dipstick) I have had the
same concerns.
I understand though that this is perfectly normal. If you look hard enough,
the Rotax manuals suggest running the engine for 1 minute before checking
the oil level. Personally I feel this practice will increase engine wear
(and starter motor).
My solution is to manually rotate the prop blades (in the correct direction)
for about three full turns until you hear air benig blown back into the oil
tank. Its a bit of a pain but good exercise ! (just be aware of the prop
tips - they have cut me several times).
Needless to say make sure the mags are well and truly off before attempting
this.
Another option is to turn the engine using the starter, but if you have a
proper starter switch you wont be able to do this without activating the
magnetos.
Safe flying,
Carl
PS If you want a chat, my number is 01296 738129 (just in case you have lost
it)
PPS What oil are you using (I have changed to Castrol RS Superbike since my
oil temp rose to 135 last week in the hot weather- guess I will need to move
the oil cooler from behind the radiators)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Oil Level
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just thought it was time I asked the question.
>
> Since completing my 'plane (first flight Aug. 1999) I have experienced oil
> siphoning out of the tank into (presumably) the crank case if it is left
> unused for a number of days. I used to recon on two weeks for the level on
> the dipstick to go from full to less than half way down the 'flat' on the
> stick, but with the advent of the new improved dipstick - which requires
> more oil in the tank and has a shorter 'flat' - this seems to be more like
a
> week.
>
> The system is a 'Classic' airframe with the 80hp 912 and oil tank on the
> port side as instructed. The tank is set at the correct height according
to
> the manual - in fact there is no possibility of it being anywhere else due
> to the exhaust stubs, cowlings, firewall, etc.
>
> This doesn't cause me too much of a problem - I just have to ensure I go
> flying at least once a week :-) but am curious as to whether anyone else
has
> come across this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:peterdavis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
As I' ve just gone about setting the tailplane pitch to factory spec's of +12
Deg Up and -4 Deg down, I've got a little problem. I can get plenty of pitch down
but have cut the opening ( for the trim tab rod) all the way up to the "joggle"
where the top and bottom mate and am reluntant to go any further until I
check an see if this is normal. I would have to cut approximately another 1/2"
up into the Joggle to achieve 12 deg up. I' ve got approx 11 deg up to the botton
of the joggle. What has been the experience of some of you that have been
there before me.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane Pitch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Allan,
I too am at this stage. Welcome to the head scratching. . I am surprised we
have had to go up that high with our slots, up to the joggle, but nevertheless
the geometry of ours can be no different to anyone elses unless we have put
rear bulkheads in the wrong place which would effect the ratios and therefore
the displacement up and down of the trim tab T piece. So, when you find out I'd
like to be copied in please if you get personal replies.
Thanks
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
6:26 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
>As I' ve just gone about setting the tailplane pitch to factory spec's of
>+12 Deg Up and -4 Deg down, I've got a little problem. I can get plenty of
>pitch down but have cut the opening ( for the trim tab rod) all the way up
>to the "joggle" where the top and bottom mate and am reluntant to go any
>further until I check an see if this is normal. I would have to cut
>approximately another 1/2" up into the Joggle to achieve 12 deg up. I' ve
>got approx 11 deg up to the botton of the joggle. What has been the
>experience of some of you that have been there before me.
>
>Al Stills
>A095
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Peter,
Mine (Classic / 912) does the same, in fact it is worse since I relocated
the oil cooler beneath the gearbox. Also I find when I run at the new top
level, I lose some oil out of the tank. I assume some oil naturally drains
down to the crankcase sump when the engine stands after running. To save
time I sometimes check the oil after a flight in stead of the D. I. before
the next one.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Oil Level
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just thought it was time I asked the question.
>
> Since completing my 'plane (first flight Aug. 1999) I have experienced oil
> siphoning out of the tank into (presumably) the crank case if it is left
> unused for a number of days. I used to recon on two weeks for the level on
> the dipstick to go from full to less than half way down the 'flat' on the
> stick, but with the advent of the new improved dipstick - which requires
> more oil in the tank and has a shorter 'flat' - this seems to be more like
a
> week.
>
> The system is a 'Classic' airframe with the 80hp 912 and oil tank on the
> port side as instructed. The tank is set at the correct height according
to
> the manual - in fact there is no possibility of it being anywhere else due
> to the exhaust stubs, cowlings, firewall, etc.
>
> This doesn't cause me too much of a problem - I just have to ensure I go
> flying at least once a week :-) but am curious as to whether anyone else
has
> come across this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:peterdavis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
>
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