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1. 01:40 AM - Trim Tab Slot Height dilemna?? (Graham Singleton)
2. 01:52 AM - Resin Pump (G-IANI)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Resin Pump ()
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Resin Pump (G-IANI)
5. 08:59 AM - Re: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube. (Rob Housman)
6. 11:43 AM - Fuel System Sealer (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube. (Ami McFadyean)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: Monowheel Brake fluid? (Europa Aircraft)
9. 02:21 PM - Re: Fuel System Sealer (Kevin Klinefelter)
10. 03:39 PM - Re: Monowheel Brake fluid? (James Nelson)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Wing Root Fairings (James Nelson)
12. 04:17 PM - Re: Resin Pump ()
13. 05:51 PM - Re: Fuel System Sealer (Cy Galley)
14. 09:10 PM - Additional thoughts on wing root fairings (Fred R. Klein)
15. 11:21 PM - Re: Additional thoughts on wing root fairings (Michael Parkin)
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Slot Height dilemna?? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 20/08/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Tony et al:
>I had a quick look in passing, and guess my slots stop about 1/2" below the
> joggle - and I have 13deg of travel. I can send all my calcs for this
> exercise as I mathed the travel angles through from the trim motor.
> Ferg
There's one other thing to watch out for, at least on early Classics; with
the elevator in full up position and the trim at full nose up, check that
the Tee bar doesn't strike the end of its own bellcrank. I think this was
caused by the Mac servo being a bit low and may have been corrected later
in the plans?
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
FOR SALE
Michael Engineering Sticky-stuff-Dispenser (the one Europa supplies). New
2000, Very good condition, very low mileage - one Europa, One owner,
Reason for sale - its work is (thank goodness) done.
Offers invited
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
37 Willowmead Close, Woking, Surrey, GU21 3DN, UK
Tel 01483 714096
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk>
G-IANI wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> FOR SALE
>
> Michael Engineering Sticky-stuff-Dispenser (the one Europa supplies).
> New 2000, Very good condition, very low mileage - one Europa, One
> owner, Reason for sale - its work is (thank goodness) done.
>
> Offers invited
How about 150? I'm based near Oxford.
Cheers,
Mark.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I must be in the wrong business. Second hand Resin pumps are obviously a
very hot property. Sorry but it was gone inside 20 minutes.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Resin Pump
--> Europa-List message posted by: <europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk>
G-IANI wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> FOR SALE
>
> Michael Engineering Sticky-stuff-Dispenser (the one Europa supplies).
> New 2000, Very good condition, very low mileage - one Europa, One
> owner, Reason for sale - its work is (thank goodness) done.
>
> Offers invited
How about 150? I'm based near Oxford.
Cheers,
Mark.
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| Subject: | Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Perhaps your observation about the tube being a bit too big is the reason
that I managed to mangle mine the first time I did the assembly (or perhaps
I'm looking for an excuse for my clumsiness).
Your query got me digging into my Aircraft Spruce catalog which confirmed
the source of my confusion. Although the catalog lists "Tires & Tubes" with
a description that mentions both Goodyear and Shin in the same sentence,
upon a closer reading it appears that only Shin are available in the
11.400-5 size. Before preparing this reply I checked both the Goodyear and
Michelin web sites and could find this size on neither (and I looked for
industrial and golf cart sizes too), so I guess we're stuck with Shin. Or
Sears - read on.
When I needed the replacement for the damaged tube I researched the tire
size and found that (as mentioned in the Aircraft Spruce catalog) this is
not an aircraft tire size, and I further discovered that it is available
from Sears for their Craftsman riding lawn mowers and lawn tractors. When I
mentioned this many months ago on this forum it prompted an immediate
response from the factory, so I'll note now that the main gear do indeed use
real aircraft tires (and it is those sizes that are much more expensive than
the Michelins on my car.)
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Rob.
Are you saying that you can actually get a Goodyear tube that fits the nose
wheel? If this is so please provide details and source? I'd prefer to change
mine since I'm convinced that the original tube I have is too large when
fitted correctly , on inflation the slight oversize of tube material has to
go somewhere resulting in small folds in the walls which flex and self wear.
The UK supplier agrees that there seems to be a problem ,having done a trial
assembly , but says there is no other source. BTW out of interest to other
"listers" my a/c although it has never flown with the mono system was
constructed to take either/or system of main gear.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
I must have been thinking of the inner tube I bought when I chopped the
first one full of holes the first time I joined the two halves of the nose
wheel. When I found out that a Goodyear TUBE would have cost me almost as
much as a new Michelin TIRE for my car, I bought the cheap stuff.
Fortunately I learned how to mount the wheel without damaging the tube.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
These ones have 'Made in Taiwan' molded in. Or am I missing your point?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Don't malign the Taiwanese. Those el-cheapos come from the Peoples
Republic
> of China.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I've had that problem (three times in a 500x5 wheels), but it wasn't a
fold
> in the tube nor obvious fretting. Probable cause was cheap, thin-walled
> Taiwanese tubes made of a not-very-recognisable type of rubber. Does
rubber
> fatigue-fail? I was also running at nominally 25 psi, but down to 20 psi.
>
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: "Europa Matronic Circuit" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! All.
> > Would all concerned advise me of any incidents of nose wheel puncture
that
> > didn't show damage within the tyre wall? ie:- if an item had penetrated
> the
> > rolling diameter or wall I don't want to know. But if the tube showed
> signs
> > of self fretting on a fold or pinch let me know because I'm looking at
> > statistics of the fact.
> >
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel System Sealer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hello All,
When looking at builders websites, I have noticed the use of some sort of
thread sealer when assembling the pipe threads of fittings, valves, and fuel
pumps under the cockpit module. With all the additives they are using in gasoline
these days, what are people in the US using? Particularly, California?
Hopefully in ACS.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
It was the inner tube I was referring to. I've learnt my lesson; the proper
tubes may be hideously expensive, but they're less hassle in the longer
term. What price a puncture that takes (if everything goes well) an
afternoon to fix?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> I must have been thinking of the inner tube I bought when I chopped the
> first one full of holes the first time I joined the two halves of the nose
> wheel. When I found out that a Goodyear TUBE would have cost me almost as
> much as a new Michelin TIRE for my car, I bought the cheap stuff.
> Fortunately I learned how to mount the wheel without damaging the tube.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> These ones have 'Made in Taiwan' molded in. Or am I missing your point?
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> >
> > Don't malign the Taiwanese. Those el-cheapos come from the Peoples
> Republic
> > of China.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Rob Housman
> > Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> > Airframe complete
> > Irvine, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami
McFadyean
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > I've had that problem (three times in a 500x5 wheels), but it wasn't a
> fold
> > in the tube nor obvious fretting. Probable cause was cheap, thin-walled
> > Taiwanese tubes made of a not-very-recognisable type of rubber. Does
> rubber
> > fatigue-fail? I was also running at nominally 25 psi, but down to 20
psi.
> >
> >
> > Duncan McF.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> > To: "Europa Matronic Circuit" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Trike Nose Wheel Tyre and tube.
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> > <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Hi! All.
> > > Would all concerned advise me of any incidents of nose wheel puncture
> that
> > > didn't show damage within the tyre wall? ie:- if an item had
penetrated
> > the
> > > rolling diameter or wall I don't want to know. But if the tube showed
> > signs
> > > of self fretting on a fold or pinch let me know because I'm looking at
> > > statistics of the fact.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Monowheel Brake fluid? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Yes, dot 5 can be used. Any dot 3, or 4 must be flushed with dot 5 first.
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Brake fluid?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Can Dot 5 Silicon Brake fluid be used in an Europa Monowheel?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Fuel System Sealer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I read an article in the EAA mag that said on pipe threads to use Locktite
PST (pipe sealant with Teflon). That is what I have done. The author
recommended not using Teflon tape.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel System Sealer
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hello All,
When looking at builders websites, I have noticed the use of some sort of
thread sealer when assembling the pipe threads of fittings, valves, and fuel
pumps under the cockpit module. With all the additives they are using in
gasoline
these days, what are people in the US using? Particularly, California?
Hopefully in ACS.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Brake fluid? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Silicone is prefered as moisture is a no-no.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:33:53 -0400 "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Can Dot 5 Silicon Brake fluid be used in an Europa Monowheel?
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Root Fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Jim & Heather,
They all have problems, use Polyfibers SuperFil to get things in
order. Try to keep the fuselage straight or at least gentle curves. My
fairings do vary a bit but when placed together with the wings and white
vinal (electricians tape) tape to cover the gap which needs to be there,
it all looks good. The gap must be covered to minimise the enormous drag
created by the gap between the wing fairing and the fuselage.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:16:45 -0400 "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Trying to install the factory fairings on XS wing. I find the
> fairings don't fit very well - almost like the radius of the curve
> is too great which leaves a large (10mm) gap between the fairing and
> the fuselage. Has anyone got a solution or good way to fit these?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim & Heather A185
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <europa@nimbus.geog.ox.ac.uk>
> I must be in the wrong business. Second hand Resin pumps are obviously a
> very hot property. Sorry but it was gone inside 20 minutes.
That's a shame.. Thanks for the reply anyway.
Cheers,
Mark.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Sealer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
NEVER use Teflon tape. Ordinary pipe dope with Teflon powder is ok. Loctite
PST is one of the very best.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel System Sealer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Hello All,
>
> When looking at builders websites, I have noticed the use of some sort of
> thread sealer when assembling the pipe threads of fittings, valves, and
fuel
> pumps under the cockpit module. With all the additives they are using in
gasoline
> these days, what are people in the US using? Particularly, California?
> Hopefully in ACS.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Trigear
>
>
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| Subject: | Additional thoughts on wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Gentlepeople,
After seeing the recent postings on problems of fitting the wing root
fairings...and after checking the archives for additional and broader
discussion...I would like to inquire as to whether or not anyone has
attempted to deal with the issue of interference drag between the fuselage
and the wing of our proud bird beyond installation of the kit-supplied
fairings. (?)
Our little fairings...even when massaged to make a clean fit...leave me
envious of the sweeping curves of the wing fillet/fairings which are showing
up in some of the new glass ships such as the Cirrus 20; to me they are
reminiscent of those on the Staggerwing and the Spitfire, and if memory
serves, the potential for significant drag reduction is there if one were to
pay attention to the airflow around this critical intersection. Given that
one of the fundemental rationales behind the design of the Europa is a low
drag, sooo-smoothe, airframe lifted by a very sophisticated wing, is this an
aspect of the design which deserves more thought?
Of course, I recognise that these other ships don't like to have their wings
pulled off everyday, and in setting up production for a kitplane,
compromises are inevitable in the drive for controlling costs, assuring
durability and easy handling. And I understand that such mods would be a
no-no in the UK, and that significant expense would be involved in the
Company getting certification approval for such a mod.
Still, I can't help but believe that cruise speed and fuel economy could be
significantly enhanced with the proper aerodynamic transition between
fuselage and wing. So I'm thinking about a really big fairing/fillet...I
want to see that trailing edge of the wing sweep aft along the fuselage in a
quarter of an elipse with a half-major axis of say 30 inches and a
half-minor axis of say 24 inches, with a generous curvature between fuselage
and wing.
My sense is that the technical problems relating to pulling the wings,
whether such a fairing be fixed to the fuselage or to the wing, and allowing
for full-span flap extension are all solvable.
And I'm not an aerodynamicist, and probably know just enough to get myself
in real trouble. I seem to recall that interference drag between fuselage
and wing primarily builds up aft of the center of lift when there is no
gentle transition, but I may be completely off-base. Perhaps fairing the
leading edge is just as important...I do not know.
What I do know is that I would benefit emmensely if I knew whether or not
others have looked into this issue and could learn what...if anything...has
come of their enquiries.
Hopefully,
Fred Klein, A-194
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| Subject: | Re: Additional thoughts on wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" <Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
Fred,
I am not convinced that the performance could be significantly improved with
a change of wing fillet.
Having just returned from the EAS Fly-in in Switzerland, travelling along at
130 knots IAS on 18 lts/hr and leaving most spamcans behind in the French
dust I am not sure the effort would be worth the final result.
The phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Additional thoughts on wing root fairings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Still, I can't help but believe that cruise speed and fuel economy could
be
> significantly enhanced with the proper aerodynamic transition between
> fuselage and wing. So I'm thinking about a really big fairing/fillet...I
> want to see that trailing edge of the wing sweep aft along the fuselage in
a
> quarter of an elipse with a half-major axis of say 30 inches and a
> half-minor axis of say 24 inches, with a generous curvature between
fuselage and wing.
> Hopefully,
>
> Fred Klein, A-194
>
>
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