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1. 07:16 AM - Re: Glide ratios (chris davis)
2. 08:32 AM - Re: looking for builder in northwest USA (Jeff Roberts)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: Glide ratios (DJA727@aol.com)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: Ignition choices (Terry Seaver)
5. 09:25 AM - Ingition Choices (Erich Trombley)
6. 01:01 PM - New Pictures on the factory web page (Europa Aircraft)
7. 01:59 PM - Re: Glide ratios (David Watts)
8. 02:03 PM - Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? (Rowland Carson)
9. 03:30 PM - Re: Ignition choices (James Nelson)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Glide ratios (Terry Seaver)
11. 03:54 PM - Re: Glide ratios (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 03:55 PM - Re: Glide ratios (Richard Holder)
13. 04:06 PM - Re: Ignition choices (Richard Holder)
14. 04:23 PM - Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? ()
15. 05:29 PM - Re: Glide ratios (DJA727@aol.com)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: Ignition choices (David DeFord)
17. 06:10 PM - Re: New Pictures on the factory web page (chris davis)
18. 06:14 PM - Ignition choices (Alan Stills)
19. 06:33 PM - Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
20. 06:48 PM - Will Monowheel nose over? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
21. 06:50 PM - How to make paint stick to steel with gold colored plating? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
22. 06:54 PM - Antennas (Ronald J. Parigoris)
23. 06:56 PM - Tire tubes (Alan Stills)
24. 07:01 PM - What else to stuff in wings before bonding on top? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
25. 07:42 PM - Re: What else to stuff in wings before bonding on top? (Troy Maynor)
26. 07:56 PM - Re: Will Monowheel nose over? (Cliff Shaw)
27. 08:57 PM - Landing/Taxi lights (Ronald J. Parigoris)
28. 10:11 PM - Re: Will Monowheel nose over? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
29. 10:15 PM - Re: Ignition choices (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
30. 10:16 PM - Re: Antennas (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
31. 10:18 PM - (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
32. 10:48 PM - (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Dave , what kind of glide ratio are you getting with the long wing ? thanks
Chris Davis A160MG
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From: <DJA727@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2003 10:13:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu writes:
>
> > This is going to be somewhat different for every builder depending on
> > finish, speed kit, prop type, feathering.
> > You'll have to measure your own. With a speed kit and feathering prop,
I
> > believe 20:1 should be within reason.
> > I have not measured mine yet. Has anyone some personal data?
> >
> >
>
> From what I have seen, I think that 20:1 is not realistic for the short
wing.
> At sea level, that would be a sink rate at 60 knots of 304 fpm. I suspect
the
> glide ratio of the short wing is more in the 10 to 12 range. Just an
educated
> guess.
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for builder in northwest USA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/2/03 8:57 PM, Ken at ken@soundsuckers.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
>
>
> I am thinking of starting my second plane and looking real hard at the
> XS Europe but would like to see one in construction and possible take a
> flight in one before I make up my mind.
> Would you build it again or fly something else. My first plane is a RV
> 6A that I finished 2 years ago and still flying it.
> I am not afraid of glass work had 30 years of body shop experience But
> to many planes are not what the factory says they are, My next choice
> will be a RV-9A
>
> I am in southeastern Oregon and can fly pretty much anywhere to see and
> feel my next project.
>
> Ken S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ken,
I only flew the Europa once and am a low time pilot so my opinion might not
be as valuable as most. But I think if youre looking for economy and a fun
airplane. Nothing compares to the Europa. I am just about finished with my
airframe. I jump started it at Flight-Crafters in Florida then towed it back
here to Nashville to finish it. My only complaint with Europa is the manual
is in need of up grading and short on drawings. There are simply better ways
and better times of doing things than described. This forum is great and
being able to e-mail the factory is good, but I really am glad to be able to
check in with Bob at flight crafters. As far as the planes performance for
the dollar, and view from the cockpit, nothing compares! I would strongly
recomend this airplane to anyone. Oh and did I say it looks great!
Youre welcome to visit if you want to fly to MQY Smyrna Tennessee. We are
just outside of Nashville.
Jeff Roberts
Tri Gear A258
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 9/3/2003 7:17:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
scrounge69@comcast.net writes:
>
> Dave , what kind of glide ratio are you getting with the long wing ? thanks
> Chris Davis A160MG
>
I really haven't nailed it down yet. Finding a smooth enough day is hard to
come by here. I do know that it is in the vicinity of 25. I have done several
scenarios of engine failure including all the way to a landing from over the
mountains and it does the trick for me -- it makes for a safe single engine
airplane. I have done a little bit of thermal soaring and have managed to stay
up
and climb, although I am not very experienced in gliders.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Alan,
We used the ACS ignition switch and lock set, ordered from A/C Spruce (Model A-510-2K).
This uses one key for both the ignition and both door locks. The switch
is conventional Off-R-L-Both-Start. Worked well for us.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Alan Stills wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> What has most of you wound up with for your ignition. I was thinking of the standard
ignition (off-mag,R & L, both and start) but it has been suggested there
might be a better way. I would assume same set up but with a push button for
start.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
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| Subject: | Ingition Choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Al writes,
"What has most of you wound up with for your ignition. I was thinking of the standard
ignition (off-mag,R & L, both and start) but it has been suggested there
might be a better way. I would assume same set up but with a push button for
start".
Al,
I used two (2) - double pole, double throw switches with one pole on each switch
a momentary on, one for each mag [ ON-OFF-(ON) switch nomenclature]. They are
wired per Electric Bob's recommendation. The switches are interlocked with
the starter and operate as follows. Either switch in the "down" position grounds
out the respective mag. Either switch in the "middle" position is "mag hot"
for the respective mag. Both switches "up" simultaneously (momentary position)
activates the starter. Either switch "up" by itself does nothing. This
eliminates accidental starting. I really like the setup and have only labeled
the switches as "Left Mag", "Right Mag." Unless you are familiar with this setup
you will be hunting for a starter switch which does not exist on its own
thus adding a level of security.
Erich Trombley
A028
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| Subject: | New Pictures on the factory web page |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
We posted a few nice very hi-res images of the MG, and one of the TG on the
web site.
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Picture%20Gallery/PictureGallery.htm
Scroll to the bottom to see the new images - click on the thumbnail to
download.
Enjoy!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Sorry to be a couple of days late responding to this one but we have been
touring round Scotland for 3 days. We were in out house at 10 am in Kent and
then in Dundee, Scotland at 3pm, having stopped halfway for lunch and a
leak. What a way to travel.
But back to glide ratios. I have tested this twice in the last month, once
solo and the second time two up and full fuel. Interestingly the results
were identical (which apparently backs up the theory).
Both occasions were evenings and very calm with the small wind component at
90 degrees, and the start and finish at the same point. I started at 3,400
ft (TMA limits us to 3500) and set course for our home field at 75 knots and
with the motor obviously on tickover. The GPS said we had 6.5 km to go. I
arrived at our base on both occasions at 1,200 ft. This works out to 18:1 if
my maths are correct.
Dave Watts 229 G-BXDY 910 hours and still having a ball.
> I have recently purchased the new Garmin 3600 that works using an
integrated Palm PDA. It appears to be an excellent EFIS/GPS inexpensive
color system. I am needing the glide ratio so the 3600 can determine if I
am within gliding range of an airport. My plane is a trike XS.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Rhoads A100
> 246CR
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| Subject: | Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2003 09 02 12:27 -0400, irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
>There is a very nice
>XPlane model for the Europa family, but it is not released for public
>consumption yet (Wayne??)
Ira - I'm in the queue for that X-Plane model of the Europa if you
can give me a clue where to get it! (Who's Wayne???) I'm happy to be
a beta-tester if that's what it takes. I agree that the method of
modelling in MS FS is a bit flakey and that X-Plane takes the proper
route. This was all expounded in the EAA magazine earlier this year -
I was surprised they were so honest as they (like many others)
usually seem to be in Microsoft's pocket. I cancelled my EAA renewal
this year because they wouldn't do back numbers on CD for Mac after
initially promising that version would be available. A great pity as
the basic technology is cross-platform (browser + PDFs) - they just
had embedded a windows-only search engine too deeply in the design.
regards
Rowland
--
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Al,
Have you considered the fact that you may have to start the
aircraft with the brakes applied and using the choke? while also
adjusting the throttle. I have!! I have my starter located on my
throttle with a shielded push button. This allows me to operate the
starter while adjusting the throttle to set it to start. I have had
several (fairly often) starts with the firing of only two cylinders as it
shakes then putting the throttle forward and then maybe full idle to get
it to go. I use the choke only after I have initiated the starter. I
need the choke most of the time to get it to go. So as you can see I'm a
one armed paper hanger getting it to start. I get it started and then
when running smoothly, I grab the brake handle to keep it from moving to
far. I really like my starter button on the throttle. Of coarse, when
I install my electric prop I'll just set the pitch to fine or "0" and the
movement of the airframe is a moot point. I have a 912 S engine. My
ignition is two miniature locking switches (lock in the up position and
lock in the down position)on the small panel under the main flight panel.
I then installed a simple removable plug in the push button circuit to
allow for the circuit to be in continuity for starting that is out of the
way and not obvious. The switches are on the far left. I then ran them
to a disconnect at the fire wall so I could remove the small panel at any
time to work on it. It also keeps them away from any accidental
bumping.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:15:34 -0700 "Alan Stills"
<astills785@earthlink.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills"
> <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> What has most of you wound up with for your ignition. I was thinking
> of the standard ignition (off-mag,R & L, both and start) but it has
> been suggested there might be a better way. I would assume same set
> up but with a push button for start.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi David,
According to my calculations, you dropped 2200 feet (3400-1200) and traveled
21,326 feet (6.5 km x 3281 ft/km), giving a glide ratio of 9.7 to 1. We measured
between 10.5 and 11 to 1, which is very close. Also, we noticed that the best
glide speed with prop turning at idle was lower than 75 kts (we use 65 kts for
best glide when not feathering the prop). With prop stopped and feathered, we
get 13 to 1 glide at higher speeds, around 80kts best glide speed.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
David Watts wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
>
> Sorry to be a couple of days late responding to this one but we have been
> touring round Scotland for 3 days. We were in out house at 10 am in Kent and
> then in Dundee, Scotland at 3pm, having stopped halfway for lunch and a
> leak. What a way to travel.
>
> But back to glide ratios. I have tested this twice in the last month, once
> solo and the second time two up and full fuel. Interestingly the results
> were identical (which apparently backs up the theory).
> Both occasions were evenings and very calm with the small wind component at
> 90 degrees, and the start and finish at the same point. I started at 3,400
> ft (TMA limits us to 3500) and set course for our home field at 75 knots and
> with the motor obviously on tickover. The GPS said we had 6.5 km to go. I
> arrived at our base on both occasions at 1,200 ft. This works out to 18:1 if
> my maths are correct.
>
> Dave Watts 229 G-BXDY 910 hours and still having a ball.
>
> > I have recently purchased the new Garmin 3600 that works using an
> integrated Palm PDA. It appears to be an excellent EFIS/GPS inexpensive
> color system. I am needing the glide ratio so the 3600 can determine if I
> am within gliding range of an airport. My plane is a trike XS.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck Rhoads A100
> > 246CR
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Chuck, was your glide one way of 6.5 km? If so, I think your calculation
may have an error. If you actually traveled 13km back and forth, then
you did indeed get an incredible L/D of 18. If the latter, and with a
spinning prop, all I can say is 'wow!'
Ignoring significant figures and converting 6.5 km --> 21325 ft:
L/D = (3400-1200)/21325) =~ 9.7
9.7 seems reasonable with a draggy spinning prop and short wings.
Cheers,
Pete
Europa A239 dual wing
-----Original Message-----
From: David Watts [mailto:dg.watts@virgin.net]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Sorry to be a couple of days late responding to this one but we have
been
touring round Scotland for 3 days. We were in out house at 10 am in Kent
and
then in Dundee, Scotland at 3pm, having stopped halfway for lunch and a
leak. What a way to travel.
But back to glide ratios. I have tested this twice in the last month,
once
solo and the second time two up and full fuel. Interestingly the results
were identical (which apparently backs up the theory).
Both occasions were evenings and very calm with the small wind component
at
90 degrees, and the start and finish at the same point. I started at
3,400
ft (TMA limits us to 3500) and set course for our home field at 75 knots
and
with the motor obviously on tickover. The GPS said we had 6.5 km to go.
I
arrived at our base on both occasions at 1,200 ft. This works out to
18:1 if
my maths are correct.
Dave Watts 229 G-BXDY 910 hours and still having a ball.
> I have recently purchased the new Garmin 3600 that works using an
integrated Palm PDA. It appears to be an excellent EFIS/GPS inexpensive
color system. I am needing the glide ratio so the 3600 can determine if
I
am within gliding range of an airport. My plane is a trike XS.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Rhoads A100
> 246CR
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> But back to glide ratios. I have tested this twice in the last month, once
> solo and the second time two up and full fuel. Interestingly the results
> were identical (which apparently backs up the theory).
> Both occasions were evenings and very calm with the small wind component at
> 90 degrees, and the start and finish at the same point. I started at 3,400
> ft (TMA limits us to 3500) and set course for our home field at 75 knots and
> with the motor obviously on tickover. The GPS said we had 6.5 km to go. I
> arrived at our base on both occasions at 1,200 ft. This works out to 18:1 if
> my maths are correct.
I make this if you were 6.5 nautical miles from base, not kilometres. If you
were 6.5 kilometres then the glide ratio is about 9:1.
Richard Holder
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Al,
> Have you considered the fact that you may have to start the
> aircraft with the brakes applied and using the choke? while also
> adjusting the throttle. I have!! I have my starter located on my
> throttle with a shielded push button. This allows me to operate the
> starter while adjusting the throttle to set it to start. I have had
> several (fairly often) starts with the firing of only two cylinders as it
> shakes then putting the throttle forward and then maybe full idle to get
> it to go. I use the choke only after I have initiated the starter. I
> need the choke most of the time to get it to go. So as you can see I'm a
> one armed paper hanger getting it to start. I get it started and then
> when running smoothly, I grab the brake handle to keep it from moving to
> far. I really like my starter button on the throttle. Of coarse, when
> I install my electric prop I'll just set the pitch to fine or "0" and the
> movement of the airframe is a moot point. I have a 912 S engine. My
> ignition is two miniature locking switches (lock in the up position and
> lock in the down position)on the small panel under the main flight panel.
> I then installed a simple removable plug in the push button circuit to
> allow for the circuit to be in continuity for starting that is out of the
> way and not obvious. The switches are on the far left. I then ran them
> to a disconnect at the fire wall so I could remove the small panel at any
> time to work on it. It also keeps them away from any accidental
> bumping.
My experience is that the 912S engine never needs ANY throttle when starting
hot or cold. Indeed it won't start if you do have any throttle.
So cold is close throttle completely, pull choke and press starter.
Gradually release choke while giving a little throttle to keep it at 2200.
Hot is No throttle, no choke, no nothing, just press the starter, Works
every time. No two cylinder stuff. No shaking.
Stopping, well that is different - it tries to shake my teeth out for half a
second EVERY time I turn it off !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
I belong to organizations that don't do everything I like. I think your not
supporting EAA by membership reflects that you do not feel it of value in
the Europe aviation scene
Ken Carpenter
N9XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa model for MS Flight Sim?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2003 09 02 12:27 -0400, irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
>
> >There is a very nice
> >XPlane model for the Europa family, but it is not released for public
> >consumption yet (Wayne??)
>
> Ira - I'm in the queue for that X-Plane model of the Europa if you
> can give me a clue where to get it! (Who's Wayne???) I'm happy to be
> a beta-tester if that's what it takes. I agree that the method of
> modelling in MS FS is a bit flakey and that X-Plane takes the proper
> route. This was all expounded in the EAA magazine earlier this year -
> I was surprised they were so honest as they (like many others)
> usually seem to be in Microsoft's pocket. I cancelled my EAA renewal
> this year because they wouldn't do back numbers on CD for Mac after
> initially promising that version would be available. A great pity as
> the basic technology is cross-platform (browser + PDFs) - they just
> had embedded a windows-only search engine too deeply in the design.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 9/3/2003 1:59:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dg.watts@virgin.net writes:
> Both occasions were evenings and very calm with the small wind component at
> 90 degrees, and the start and finish at the same point. I started at 3,400
> ft (TMA limits us to 3500) and set course for our home field at 75 knots and
> with the motor obviously on tickover. The GPS said we had 6.5 km to go. I
> arrived at our base on both occasions at 1,200 ft. This works out to 18:1 if
> my maths are correct
The big question here is what was the wind aloft. I have seen many times in
my flying career where the wind aloft is way different from the wind on the
ground. The way to get the glide ratio is to time a descent at a constant
airspeed and calculate a sink rate, etc...
Dave A227 Mini U2
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| Subject: | Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> Have you considered the fact that you may have to
> start the aircraft with the brakes applied and using the
> choke? while also
> adjusting the throttle.
We considered this situation, and concluded that for convenience and safety,
a good parking brake is an absolute necessity. The Matco valve works
perfectly for us in this capacity. With the parking brake valve set, and
the stick held full aft between the legs, we have just enough hands left to
manage the starter, choke, and throttle, in any combination that we have
needed so far. I can't imagine how else we could safely get something from
the baggage bay, pick up something dropped on the floor, etc., while stopped
on the ground.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures on the factory web page |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Thank you so much for the pictures they are truley inspirational!! chris
davis A160MG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: Europa-List: New Pictures on the factory web page
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> We posted a few nice very hi-res images of the MG, and one of the TG on
the
> web site.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Picture%20Gallery/PictureGallery.htm
>
> Scroll to the bottom to see the new images - click on the thumbnail to
> download.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Thanks to all who answered my query. I've got more than enough information to make
my decision. It seems the the more complicated ignition systems are for security
reasons. I will probably go with a standard ignition as my philosophy is,
if they can get in they can figure out how to start it. With locks in the doors
they will be hard pressed to fly it with the "gull wings" flapping in the
wind after having to break them to get in.
thanks again
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Rowland Carson
Wayne Gutschow is my partner on A-265 monowheel.
I am not sure if he put together a perfect "UNCONVENTIONAL" gear as of yet,
but I know he sent Ira a copy, and I think it may be a nosedragger. also too
I am not quite certain how far along he is with the looonnnnnggg wings.
The Monowheel program is going to get a workout, as we need to come up with
a color scheme.
You can twist his arm at:
wguts@hotmail.com
Tell him you are active in the Europa Club, and you are prepared to reposess
all forms of Tips and Hints if he dosen't give you what you want!
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Will Monowheel nose over? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious.
Will the monowheel with 914 and CS nose over at full throttle with the brakes
on?
If so how much % of throttle does it take?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | How to make paint stick to steel with gold colored plating? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Many parts on the europa are Steel with gold colored plating.
I have Dupont self etching primer and would somehow like to make it stick.
What is the best way to prepare the surface?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Where do you purchase antennas?
Nav
Comm
GPS
Transponder
Glideslope
What type (Foil?) and what location?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
I have another question on the tubes for the split rims. There are 2 nuts and a
washer for each tire. Where do they go. I know one goes to hold the valve stem
out of the hole but am at a quandery as to where the washer and other brass
nut goes in the set up. The only explanation I can come up with is into the notch
in the split rims to keep the tube from sliding agound the rim. Any help will
be appreciated.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | What else to stuff in wings before bonding on top? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I figure there is too much "Atmosphere" inside my wings, and am trying to find
things to fill up the voids.
So far:
wires and a tube to power tip strobes/nav lights
wires to outrigger fairing in case I want to put landing lights in the fairing
stall warner
airspeed/pitot
Any other useful things you can think of?
Antennas?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | What else to stuff in wings before bonding on top? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Ron,
Self rigging dolly receptacles.
I copied an idea from Chuck Popenue I consider a neccesity, especially if
you plan to trailer your Europa. Keep in mind I have the classic wings but
it should be adaptable to the XS kind. It is a tube (aluminum)floxed into
the wingtip (and reenforced)that will accept a steel rod (about 12"),that is
welded an adjustable upright,(square tube inside a larger square tube)
welded to a set of locking castors (5 or 6") that supports the wing while
you are on the spar end single handedly rigging the wings. Works great for a
rotator while finishing too. I found some tight fitting hole plugs to keep
in the tip tubes when not in use.Hope this makes sense. Chuck has pictures
on his site. Thanks again Chuck.
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cpops/wingtiptrolley.htm
Troy Maynor-120
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: What else to stuff in wings before bonding on top?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I figure there is too much "Atmosphere" inside my wings, and am trying to
find
things to fill up the voids.
So far:
wires and a tube to power tip strobes/nav lights
wires to outrigger fairing in case I want to put landing lights in the
fairing
stall warner
airspeed/pitot
Any other useful things you can think of?
Antennas?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Will Monowheel nose over? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ron
I have not done it - yet ! Hop to never do it. Every time I have done full
power run-up tests (Airmaster prop adjustments) I have loaded the tale down
with 4 sand bags and tied the tale wheel to my truck. One time I did run up
with out this arrangement far enough to lift the tail a little. That was
enough !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Will Monowheel nose over?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Curious.
>
> Will the monowheel with 914 and CS nose over at full throttle with the
brakes
> on?
>
> If so how much % of throttle does it take?
>
> Thanks
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing/Taxi lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone have a number of hours flying at night at airports without great
lighting?
Anyone flying with just 1 light, or lights aimed between taxi and landing
positions?
Or is preference to have one adjusted for taxi, and 1 for landing.
What type of lights, and what location on aeroplane?
I have Monowheel.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Will Monowheel nose over? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> Will the monowheel with 914 and CS nose over at full throttle with the
brakes on?
Probably not.. but I can get a 912/Airmaster mono to lift its tail and
do a 180 at 5000rpm :)
Tony
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| Subject: | Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> With locks in the doors they will be hard pressed to fly it with the
"gull wings" flapping in the wind after having to break them to get in.
thanks again
All they need to do is take the doors off and fly below 100 knots!
Let's face it.. getting into a Europa, even with door locks, is childs
play.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Aircraft Spruce have a good range of composite antennas.
Glideslope???
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris
Cc:=09
Subject: Europa-List: Antennas
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Where do you purchase antennas?
Nav
Comm
GPS
Transponder
Glideslope
What type (Foil?) and what location?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
=0D=0A> But back to glide ratios. I have tested this twice in the last month,=0D=0A>
once=0D=0A> solo and the second time two up and full fuel. Interestingly
the results=0D=0A> were identical (which apparently backs up the theory).=0D=0A=0D=0AApparently
being the operative word, the fact is a fully loaded aircraft
will glide further than an empty one!=0D=0AThe short version of the explanation
is that once you have lugged all that mass all the way up there, you have
much more potential energy stored and that is then converted into kinetic energy
when you start gliding...=0D=0AAnd if one wants to measure glide or speed
using GPS or land fixes, I believe the normal procedure is to do it both ways
or in a triangle and take the average for a result and then there is still the
possibility of the winds having changed during the trial.=0D=0A=0D=0A....and
while I'm on the forum I'd like to apologize to the Melbourne Europa chapter for
not being able to visit after all, a busy schedule coupled with a premature
departure to Abu Dhabi meant I had no way of getting to meet with them.=0D=0AI
had looked forward to get to meet up with other builders to see their birds
as I don't get that chance when home in Brazil.=0D=0A=0D=0AAlex, kit 529- still
waiting for missing parts, over a year on and still nothing from the factory
in spite of many calls and promises!!
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
I have just seen my last message to the forum and must apologise for the way it
appears, I am using a web-based browser at the moment and it seems it has messed
up the formatting of the message.-sorry!=0D=0AAlex, kit 529
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