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1. 12:29 AM - Re: How to make paint stick to steel with gold colored plating? (Jeremy Davey)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Glide ratios (david joyce)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: Will Monowheel nose over? (david joyce)
4. 04:33 AM - Re: Glide Angles (david joyce)
5. 04:56 AM - Re: Antennas (Paul McAllister)
6. 06:09 AM - Europa questions (Fergus Kyle)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Glide ratios (RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils))
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Antennas (Europa Aircraft)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Ignition choices (Jeff Roberts)
10. 09:38 AM - Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? (Paul Sweeting)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Matco Parking brakes (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
12. 10:45 AM - Re: Glide ratios (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
13. 10:46 AM - Re: Glide ratios (Paul Sweeting)
14. 10:47 AM - Re: Glide ratios (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
15. 10:54 AM - Re: Ignition choices (Terry Seaver)
16. 11:01 AM - Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
17. 11:52 AM - Stuffing the wings (david.corbett)
18. 01:06 PM - Re: Confessions of a doorlatch hacker (paul stewart)
19. 01:27 PM - EAA [was: Europa model for MS Flight Sim?] (Rowland Carson)
20. 01:47 PM - Confessions of a door latch hacker (Gerry Holland)
21. 02:08 PM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Jeff Roberts)
22. 02:12 PM - Re: Ignition choices (Jeff Roberts)
23. 02:12 PM - Glide Ratios (David Watts)
24. 02:31 PM - Re: Gear Unlatching (hedley brown)
25. 08:19 PM - Europa builders in NY (Steve Hagar)
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| Subject: | How to make paint stick to steel with gold colored plating? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Ron,
The short answer is "don't bother"! The long answer is...
The plating is an anti-corrosion treatment applied by the factory - Zinc
plating with a chromic passivation. I haven't found anything that sticks to
it... But then, why try to corrosion protect something that is already
corrosion protected? All you do is add weight.
I would imagine that if you really, really wanted to paint it, you'd have to
abrade off the coating. And how you'll manage to do that down the middle of
the aileron torque-tubes will be a challenge.
A squirt of ACF-50 down the middle of the sealed tubes (pitch torque-tube,
under seat aileron pushrods) wouldn't harm, though.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: How to make paint stick to steel with gold colored
plating?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Many parts on the europa are Steel with gold colored plating.
I have Dupont self etching primer and would somehow like to make it stick.
What is the best way to prepare the surface?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Ira, My mono XS/914/Kremen VP prop/ factory speed kit at close to AUW had
best glide angle of 1 in 10.7 with prop fully fine at 75 kt and 1 in 11.9 at
80 kt , fully coarse. These were measured in a large blue patch over the
Severn Estuary, where if anything the air would have been sinking
marginally. David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: CHUCK RHOADS <cfrhoads@yahoo.com>
>
> I have recently purchased the new Garmin 3600 that works using an
> integrated Palm PDA. It appears to be an excellent EFIS/GPS inexpensive
> color system. I am needing the glide ratio so the 3600 can determine if I
> am within gliding range of an airport. My plane is a trike XS.
>
> This is going to be somewhat different for every builder depending on
> finish, speed kit, prop type, feathering.
> You'll have to measure your own. With a speed kit and feathering prop, I
> believe 20:1 should be within reason.
> I have not measured mine yet. Has anyone some personal data?
>
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will Monowheel nose over? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Ron, When I was ground testing mine (mono/914 Kremen CS) I found the tail
lifted somewhere near to full throttle - very alarming and not to be
reccommended. Tie it down. David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Will Monowheel nose over?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Curious.
>
> Will the monowheel with 914 and CS nose over at full throttle with the
brakes
> on?
>
> If so how much % of throttle does it take?
>
> Thanks
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glide Angles |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Alex, Increased weight does not alter best glide angle nor glide range, it
just lets you achieve your optimum glide angle at higher speeds, or hit the
ground sooner if you like to look at it that way! David Joyce
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> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> I have just seen my last message to the forum and must apologise for the
way it appears, I am using a web-based browser at the moment and it seems it
has messed up the formatting of the message.-sorry!=0D=0AAlex, kit 529
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ron,
You can do without a glideslope antenna by purchasing a splitter for your
NAV antenna. The glideslope frequencies are a harmonic of the VOR
frequencies so it works quite well. AC Spruce have splitters.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Antennas
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Where do you purchase antennas?
>
> Nav
> Comm
> GPS
> Transponder
> Glideslope
>
> What type (Foil?) and what location?
>
> Thanks
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Landing/Taxi lights
| Anyone have a number of hours flying at night at airports without great
| lighting? Anyone flying with just 1 light, or lights aimed between taxi
and landing positions?|
| Or is preference to have one adjusted for taxi, and 1 for landing.|
| What type of lights, and what location on aeroplane?|
| I have Monowheel.
| Ron Parigoris
Ronald,
I might be a good idea to scan the archives of this net so that
you have a basic knowledge of what others have done before sending questions
to the gang. I know there are numerous answers available there..........
Cheers, Ferg
Europa A064
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
"Glider Polars & Speed-to-Fly...Made Easy!" is a 32-page book by Bob Wander
available at http://www.bobwander.com/ or at 1-800-660-0238.
I bought it. It's good and it's simple.
Here's what he says about it:
$7.95
Larger Image
GLIDER POLARS AND SPEED-TO-FLY . . . Made Easy! (Wander) (2002)
User-friendly, non-technical polar analysis and speed-to-fly
decision-making. 32 pages, dozens of illustrations and numerous photographs.
Book Five in the Gliding...Made Easy series. Step-by-step analysis of glider
polars, speed-to-fly and final glide. Works for any glider performance polar
under any weather conditions. No math required!
Rob Neils
Europa MG
> > Dave , what kind of glide ratio are you getting with the long wing ? >
>
> I really haven't nailed it down yet. I do know that it is in the vicinity
of 25.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
If you are looking for antennas in the Americas, we keep nav, com, and
transponder antennas in stock in the Lakeland, FL USA office. Currently all
three are in. These are made by Bob Archer for us. We have tested them in
the Europa, and found them to work well. Cost is $85 each.
We also stock the "economy" version dipole com antenna that we make for $26.
It works pretty good for the cost - especially if you mount it high in the
vertical stab.
Happy Building!!
John Hurst
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Antennas
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ron,
You can do without a glideslope antenna by purchasing a splitter for your
NAV antenna. The glideslope frequencies are a harmonic of the VOR
frequencies so it works quite well. AC Spruce have splitters.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Antennas
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Where do you purchase antennas?
>
> Nav
> Comm
> GPS
> Transponder
> Glideslope
>
> What type (Foil?) and what location?
>
> Thanks
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/3/03 7:56 PM, David DeFord at davedeford@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>
>> Have you considered the fact that you may have to
>> start the aircraft with the brakes applied and using the
>> choke? while also
>> adjusting the throttle.
>
> We considered this situation, and concluded that for convenience and safety,
> a good parking brake is an absolute necessity. The Matco valve works
> perfectly for us in this capacity. With the parking brake valve set, and
> the stick held full aft between the legs, we have just enough hands left to
> manage the starter, choke, and throttle, in any combination that we have
> needed so far. I can't imagine how else we could safely get something from
> the baggage bay, pick up something dropped on the floor, etc., while stopped
> on the ground.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD
>
>
>
>
>
>
David,
I would like to get more info on the Matco valve for a parking brake. You
can send direct to me if you like.
Thanks,
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Europa model for MS Flight Sim? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Sweeting <Paul.Sweeting@ntl.com>
I'm using the G-EMIN trigear template in FS2002, it seems pretty good to me
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Parigoris [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa model for MS Flight Sim?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Rowland Carson
Wayne Gutschow is my partner on A-265 monowheel.
I am not sure if he put together a perfect "UNCONVENTIONAL" gear as of yet,
but I know he sent Ira a copy, and I think it may be a nosedragger. also too
I am not quite certain how far along he is with the looonnnnnggg wings.
The Monowheel program is going to get a workout, as we need to come up with
a color scheme.
You can twist his arm at:
wguts@hotmail.com
Tell him you are active in the Europa Club, and you are prepared to reposess
all forms of Tips and Hints if he dosen't give you what you want!
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | re: Matco Parking brakes |
09/04/2003 01:28:23 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/04/2003 01:28:23 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
The Matco parking brake valve is in the Spruce catalog at $98.
I just bought one today. Iwas going to mount it on the firewall
under the master reservior, and use a control cable with a T-handle,
but my friends at FlightCrafters say it is easier to install in the
central
tunnel and directly move its handle.
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
09/04/2003 01:45:26 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/04/2003 01:45:26 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
--> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)
"Glider Polars & Speed-to-Fly...Made Easy!" is a 32-page book by Bob
Wander
available at http://www.bobwander.com/ or at 1-800-660-0238.
I bought it. It's good and it's simple.
I agree, excellent little book as are Bob's other little books
Ira N224XS In upholstery!
Just got my motorglider log endorsement, so now I will be allowed to fly
my plane!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Sweeting <Paul.Sweeting@ntl.com>
Most closed cockpit wooden gliders with nil wind will manage at least 20:1
so from about 6000ft, at 20:1 in Nm's with no lift or sink you'd have
slightly less than 500ft to land, do-able, but to be comfortable essentially
needs at least one further climb....
In my usual bike - presently a schleicher K8, it would be possible only with
a nil wind or a tail wind, as the major factor with wooden gliders is lack
of penetration.
Believe the standard wing Europa can soar quite well, especially in France
where the thermals are that bit stronger.
I have personal experience of adding a few knots to the cruise of a europa
by using some of natures energy.
A fellow glider pilot and Euopa owner (with an huge amount of gliding
experience) recalled to me a few weeks ago, he managed to nurse his Europa
home with the help of several thermals all the way from the South of France
with an hiccupy engine, power was kept mostly at idle to keep the engine
temp within acceptable limits...
Gliding any type of aircraft is dependent on flying extremely accurately to
get the full potential from the conditions.
I'm lead to believe one can get further flying an average L/D aircraft very
efficiently, than a high performance ship in-efficiently.
Its not the size - its what you do with it... :-)
Have Fun
Paul, The 'bleep'ing glider pilot....
Kit 558,
I may even shock you all soon and start building....
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Parkin [mailto:Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin"
<Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
Do you really think you can glide 20nms from 6000ft. I remember some wooden
gliders that couldn't do that - and have some spare left to field land.
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratios |
09/04/2003 01:47:03 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/04/2003 01:47:03 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Thanks David!
"david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david joyce" <davidjoyce@beeb.net>
Ira, My mono XS/914/Kremen VP prop/ factory speed kit at close to AUW had
best glide angle of 1 in 10.7 with prop fully fine at 75 kt and 1 in 11.9
at
80 kt , fully coarse. These were measured in a large blue patch over the
Severn Estuary, where if anything the air would have been sinking
marginally. David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Glide ratios
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: CHUCK RHOADS <cfrhoads@yahoo.com>
>
> I have recently purchased the new Garmin 3600 that works using an
> integrated Palm PDA. It appears to be an excellent EFIS/GPS inexpensive
> color system. I am needing the glide ratio so the 3600 can determine if
I
> am within gliding range of an airport. My plane is a trike XS.
>
> This is going to be somewhat different for every builder depending on
> finish, speed kit, prop type, feathering.
> You'll have to measure your own. With a speed kit and feathering prop,
I
> believe 20:1 should be within reason.
> I have not measured mine yet. Has anyone some personal data?
>
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jeff,
Dave and I have a description of how we mounted the Matco valve on the Europa-USA
web site:
http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm
The A/C Spruce part number is 06-17200, Matco Parking Brake Valve.
regards,
Terry Seaver
Jeff Roberts wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> on 9/3/03 7:56 PM, David DeFord at davedeford@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> >
> >> Have you considered the fact that you may have to
> >> start the aircraft with the brakes applied and using the
> >> choke? while also
> >> adjusting the throttle.
> >
> > We considered this situation, and concluded that for convenience and safety,
> > a good parking brake is an absolute necessity. The Matco valve works
> > perfectly for us in this capacity. With the parking brake valve set, and
> > the stick held full aft between the legs, we have just enough hands left to
> > manage the starter, choke, and throttle, in any combination that we have
> > needed so far. I can't imagine how else we could safely get something from
> > the baggage bay, pick up something dropped on the floor, etc., while stopped
> > on the ground.
> >
> > Dave DeFord
> > N135TD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> David,
> I would like to get more info on the Matco valve for a parking brake. You
> can send direct to me if you like.
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> A258
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa model for MS Flight Sim? |
09/04/2003 02:01:18 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/04/2003 02:01:18 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
I'd wager that the EEA (or any one with Acrobat 6 Pro) could reidnex
their PDFs with
no trouble at all and go a step further by sticking the whole thing on 2
or 3 DVDs.
Anyone wanting to test this wager and holding a copy of the CDs can drop
me a line
Ira N224XS
Former denizen of Silicon Valley
Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
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09/02/03 04:33 PM
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa model for MS Flight Sim?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2003 09 02 12:27 -0400, irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
>There is a very nice
>XPlane model for the Europa family, but it is not released for public
>consumption yet (Wayne??)
Ira - I'm in the queue for that X-Plane model of the Europa if you
can give me a clue where to get it! (Who's Wayne???) I'm happy to be
a beta-tester if that's what it takes. I agree that the method of
modelling in MS FS is a bit flakey and that X-Plane takes the proper
route. This was all expounded in the EAA magazine earlier this year -
I was surprised they were so honest as they (like many others)
usually seem to be in Microsoft's pocket. I cancelled my EAA renewal
this year because they wouldn't do back numbers on CD for Mac after
initially promising that version would be available. A great pity as
the basic technology is cross-platform (browser + PDFs) - they just
had embedded a windows-only search engine too deeply in the design.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Stuffing the wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
How about ping-pong balls - for extra flotation - or:
Helium tanks - for extra lift!
Helium has been a hot topic on board a ship off the (UK) Cornish coast for the
last couple of days, but sadly the balloon never got airborne from the launch
ship for its 25NM lift and descent attempt - scheduled to take 12 hours. It has
been postponed - but until when...?
David
G-BZAM UK 265
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a doorlatch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
I'll quite happily supply pictures of the operation to remove a Stanley
knife from my closed out XS wings.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | EAA [was: Europa model for MS Flight Sim?] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2003 09 03 19:22 -0400, <kbcarpenter@comcast.net> wrote:
>I think your not
>supporting EAA by membership reflects that you do not feel it of value in
>the Europe aviation scene
Ken - that's one of several other factors which influenced my
decision to cease EAA membership after 20 years, but it was the
cancelling of the Mac version of their CD back-numbers which tipped
me over the edge.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
| 610 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI
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| Subject: | Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
For Jeremy's Hall of Infamy
I glued my Bob Archer VHF Aerial to the Stern Post prior to final gluing of
Stern Post and Ribs to Fin. I prepared the area, mixed Redux and happily
glued the lot together. I had had several 'dry' runs looking at the process
to ensure all was complete in area before this very final sealing up. The
most important task was to connect Aerial BNC connector to Ae!
Guess what. Completely forgot that job until next morning when all was well
set.
The cure was dire. Hole in the Port skin of Fin large enough for hand and
then connect Aerial. Make good my escape by re-skinning the area.
Good fun this building lark!
BTW. There are plenty more of those!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/4/03 3:47 PM, Gerry Holland at gnholland@onetel.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> For Jeremy's Hall of Infamy
>
> I glued my Bob Archer VHF Aerial to the Stern Post prior to final gluing of
> Stern Post and Ribs to Fin. I prepared the area, mixed Redux and happily
> glued the lot together. I had had several 'dry' runs looking at the process
> to ensure all was complete in area before this very final sealing up. The
> most important task was to connect Aerial BNC connector to Ae!
>
> Guess what. Completely forgot that job until next morning when all was well
> set.
>
> The cure was dire. Hole in the Port skin of Fin large enough for hand and
> then connect Aerial. Make good my escape by re-skinning the area.
>
> Good fun this building lark!
>
> BTW. There are plenty more of those!
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> Europa 384
> G-FIZY
> +44 7808 402404
> gnholland@onetel.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thats nothing,
I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in the bottom
flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
Jeff Roberts
A258
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition choices |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/4/03 12:53 PM, Terry Seaver at terrys@cisco.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Dave and I have a description of how we mounted the Matco valve on the
> Europa-USA
> web site:
> http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm
>
> The A/C Spruce part number is 06-17200, Matco Parking Brake Valve.
>
> regards,
> Terry Seaver
>
>
> Jeff Roberts wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>> on 9/3/03 7:56 PM, David DeFord at davedeford@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>> Have you considered the fact that you may have to
>>>> start the aircraft with the brakes applied and using the
>>>> choke? while also
>>>> adjusting the throttle.
>>>
>>> We considered this situation, and concluded that for convenience and safety,
>>> a good parking brake is an absolute necessity. The Matco valve works
>>> perfectly for us in this capacity. With the parking brake valve set, and
>>> the stick held full aft between the legs, we have just enough hands left to
>>> manage the starter, choke, and throttle, in any combination that we have
>>> needed so far. I can't imagine how else we could safely get something from
>>> the baggage bay, pick up something dropped on the floor, etc., while stopped
>>> on the ground.
>>>
>>> Dave DeFord
>>> N135TD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> David,
>> I would like to get more info on the Matco valve for a parking brake. You
>> can send direct to me if you like.
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>> A258
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks Terry,
I will be ordering it.
Jeff
A258
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Sorry guys, it's amazing what a lot of fuss just one letter of the alphabet will
do.
I really meany 6.5 nm and not 6.5 km which you should be able to work out to 18:1.
As for the winds aloft, I can only say that the windsock at the airfield was barely
moving and that was displaying a crosswind component to my flight path, and
as I was not more than 3,400 ft and slowly decreasing in height for the flight
the wind component I am sure can be considered of no real assistance. Of course
we could argue the small points ad infinitum, but I can assure you that
the biggest boost my grey matter has received from the excercise was the graphic
demonstration of just how far one can get in the event of a problem. Of course
I will always search out the nearest field if that moment ever comes, but
it is real nice knowing that the field does not have to be within 1 mile if I
am above 2,000 foot and over a forest or somesuch.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Unlatching |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
I take your point - the stop buffers on my aircraft were 1 mm different. We
have just rectified that with two 'top-hats' of 1mm differing thickness
installed onto cut-off buffer-tips. Now full, bilateral contact and a 2mm
over-centre action. My friends tell me I shall no longer need my little
latch-spring.... I'm not sure about that yet! H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Gear Unlatching
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
> > Talking about latches....
> > Yesterday, with the gear down and latched..................I had a
violent
> drop
> > ..............and the gear unlatched and with turbulent air the flaps
> pushed the
> > gear up.
>
> Hedley,
>
> Your posting and others I have heard of with the gear unlatching prompts
me
> to raise a problem I had with the gear plus a few other points.
>
> When I installed my undercarriage mechanism, I found it quite difficult to
> insert the pins which join the retraction arms to the damper assy. On
> investigation, I discovered that although both retraction arms were firmly
> against the over centre stops, when viewed from the side, both arms were
not
> parallel to each other. In other words, the holes in the ends of each
> retraction arm were not exactly aligned with each other. The misalignment
> was in the order of 2 mm and it was obvious that the over centre stops
were
> not the same length. On checking the same items on another builders
frame,
> I found that his were also in error so I suspect there is more than two
> undercarriages around the world with this problem.
>
> The fix - I shortened the longer stop and repinned the arms after turning
> the main retraction shaft 90 degrees. The improvement both in ease of pin
> insertion and U/C retraction was very noticeable. The U/C is now as
smooth
> as silk to extend and retract and I can insert the pins with my fingers at
> any point of the retraction cycle.
>
> Now to my first point. If others have this same problem unbeknown to
them,
> there is a good chance at some time an uncommanded retraction may occur
> because it is quite conceivable that one retraction arm might get slightly
> over centre the wrong way and fight the other one trying to do the right
> thing by us all. Remember we are talking about very little movement here.
> When the arms are over centre, they are only about 2mm over if my memory
> serves me correctly and if my measurements were accurate.
>
> The other points I would like to make in general about the retraction
> mechanism are:-
>
> 1 The retraction lever should be such that it wants to naturally spring
> into the detent at the down end of its travel. This means that when the
U/C
> is locked down, even if the locking latch is raised, the lever should not
> want to exit the detent without positive force being applied by the pilot
> albeit it only a relatively small force.
>
> 2 With the U/C extended and the lever locked in the down detent, the
> retraction lever should have no perceivable movement for and aft. It is
> necessary to check this with no weight on the main wheel otherwise the
> forces applied by the over centre locking will give a false impression of
no
> play when in fact there could be.
>
> 3 Of course, it goes without saying that there should be no relative
> movement between the retraction lever and the retraction arms.
>
> If the over centre geometry of the retraction arms is correct, and the
above
> three points are complied with, IMHO, uncommanded retractions should be
non
> existent. Others more intelligent than I may be able to shoot me down
here
> so I will sit back and wait for the flack.
>
> For the benefit of any builders who may never have had any experience with
> over centre devices, I would like to make one final comment.
>
> The purpose of the U/C lever locking in the down detent is to hold the
> retraction arms fully against the over centre stops AT ALL TIMES. It is
not
> meant to take any loads as a result of the wheel trying to retract as the
> wheel is trying to do when the aircraft is sitting on the ground. In the
> down position, the only time the lever should feel any load is when the
> aircraft bounces for any reason because the downward travelling wheel
tends
> to want to pull the over centre mechanism straight and in doing so wants
to
> make the lever move in the retraction direction. Hence the need for point
2
> above.
>
> AND notwithstanding what I have just said, I WILL BE installing a little
> grasshopper spring on the latching pawl of the U/C lever "Just In Case".
>
> Apologies to those I may have bored or if I am only stating the obvious.
>
> Regards
> Kingsley Hurst
> Mono Classic 281 in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa builders in NY |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I am taking a vacation and heading back to NY where I grew up as a kid.
Are there any NY builders out there? I am going to the Orange County
area, about 60 miles north of NYC. I will also be making some trips north
of there into the Catskills. Would like to stop by and compare notes and
check out hardware.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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