Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Europa builders in NY (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 01:01 AM - Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (Rick Heis)
3. 01:11 AM - Liberty XL2 interchangability (Rick Heis)
4. 02:35 AM - Re: Liberty XL2 interchangability (R.C.Harrison)
5. 02:59 AM - Re: Liberty XL2 interchangability (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
6. 03:03 AM - Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
7. 06:55 AM - Woodcomp propeller (Alain Chabert)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
9. 08:16 AM - PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
10. 08:26 AM - Re: Europa builders in NY (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Jos Okhuijsen)
12. 09:11 AM - Re: Liberty XL2 interchangability (Terry Seaver)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (Terry Seaver)
14. 09:32 AM - Re: looking for builder in northwest USA (Terry Seaver)
15. 10:36 AM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Davidghillam@aol.com)
16. 11:17 AM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton (R.C.Harrison)
18. 12:27 PM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Jos Okhuijsen)
19. 02:53 PM - Re: PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa builders in NY |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Steve
I am located on Long Island NY. Have a Monowheel. Have trailer with most stuff
on it. Movable rudder, elevators done and into the wings/flaps/ailerons.
Building at hanger @ Islip Macurthur airport.
Ron Parigoris
Wk 631-979-7675
Hm 631-979-7675
Rich Parzoch is building a Monowheel and is located probably a bit closer,
think in Pinebush NY. Not sure how far along he is.
Ron Parigoris
Steve Hagar wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I am taking a vacation and heading back to NY where I grew up as a kid.
> Are there any NY builders out there? I am going to the Orange County
> area, about 60 miles north of NYC. I will also be making some trips north
> of there into the Catskills. Would like to stop by and compare notes and
> check out hardware.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
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| Subject: | Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
Greetings,
Long time observer of this list but this is my first post.
I am getting real close to making the commitment to build a Europa XS. I really
like the option with the two sets of wings. I have a few questions though.
(1) At Oshkosh a couple years ago, I saw an Europa at the Europa booth with conventional
landing gear (actually have a picture of it). I have done some research
and can't seem to find much information on this since then. Is this an
option or mod from the factory? Is there a company that provides this option?
Has anyone done this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the factory
not offered this mod, when they had it on display at Oshkosh?
(2) Can anyone give me opinion or feedback about the pro's and con's of the conventional
gear mod? One thing I can think of is it would free up some tight cabin
space in the thigh and leg area due to a not needed mono retract wheel.
(3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing by the company
or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone about this mod, but it has several
appealing qualities. I just need to know if its technically safe and sound
and 'airworthy'? I will list the web page of this company.
http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
Please tell me all I need to know. Is there any web sites or archives that I can
look at to answer some of these questions.
Rick Heis
Morgantown, WV, USA
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| Subject: | Liberty XL2 interchangability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
Greetings,
Just visited the Liberty XL2 web page.....quick question.
Is there any of the parts from the liberty that we can purchase and fit easily
into the Europa XS?
For example, the interior looks very pretty...are the parts interchangeable? The
panel, the seats, the console, the carpet, etc.
What about the nose cowl?
Just thought since they are basically the same aircraft (like GM and Chevy) some
parts would be interchangeable. and expensive.
Rick Heis
Morgantown, WV, USA
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| Subject: | Liberty XL2 interchangability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Rick.
Highly unlikely because the Liberty wings are metal and undetachable, the
a/c is wider and higher and it takes a bigger engine. Also the controls are
in a module and accessable under the cockpit.
Of course you can go to lots of trouble and effort to make substitutions if
you want to throw money at it!
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Heis
Subject: Europa-List: Liberty XL2 interchangability
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| Subject: | Liberty XL2 interchangability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Is there any of the parts from the liberty that we can purchase and
fit easily into the Europa XS?
The two aircraft are actually very different internally. You wouldn't
find much, if anything at all, from the Liberty which would fit a
Europa.
Tony
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| Subject: | Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Is there a company that provides this option? Has anyone done
this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the factory not offered
this mod, when they had it on display at Oshkosh?
What you probably saw was an aftermarket kit from Flightcrafters. Europa
do not have a conventional gear option.
visit www.flightcrafters.com for contact details
Tony
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| Subject: | Woodcomp propeller |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alain Chabert" <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Hi All,
I am interested to buy the constant speed SR200 Woodcomp propeller.
Do you have any technical information and advice to this propeller ?
My project is to use this propeller with Rotax 912 UL on a XS Europa.
Has anyone, some personal experience ?
Any information ?
Regards
A.CHABERT
F-PSLY N275
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 9/4/2003 5:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@rmmm.net
writes:
> Thats nothing,
> I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in the bottom
> flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
>
> Jeff Roberts
> A258
Yep, I must confess I did that too...........
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Just a reminder that the PFA have another Roadshow at Staverton, Gloucester this
weekend (6-7 September).
Europa's are welcome and I believe there will be some reduction on landing fees
for homebuilts.
chus,
dave
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| Subject: | Re: Europa builders in NY |
09/05/2003 11:26:27 AM,
Serialize complete at 09/05/2003 11:26:27 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I am taking a vacation and heading back to NY where I grew up as a kid.
Are there any NY builders out there?
Hi Steve,
You did not mention when you will be in NY. I don't think my Europa will
by up from Florida
until December. There is another builder partnership also on Long Island,
namely Ron and Wayne
and their AC is here on LI. I am told there is one in CT but I have no
details.
Ira N224XS Upholstery nearly done
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
This is absolutely marvellous.
Since i will begin building in a few weeks, this information, these
gotchas, are probably more usefull then any clever mod seen sofar.
Keep it going, and of course, i will add mine as well.
To start, before having started:
The door of the specially built worshop, is just high enough for the
monowheel.
But not when on the trailer...:-(
Jos
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 9/4/2003 5:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@rmmm.net
>writes:
>
>
>
>>Thats nothing,
>>I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in the bottom
>>flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
>>
>>Jeff Roberts
>>A258
>>
>>
>
>
>Yep, I must confess I did that too...........
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liberty XL2 interchangability |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Rick,
The Liberty is actually quite different. It is larger (throught the fuselage/cockpit)
and uses quite different construction. The
fuselage is metal tube and the wings and control surfaces are aluminum vs all fiber
glass for the Europa. Its fuel tank is bigger
and it uses an engine that would be too heavy for a Europa, with a cowl specific
to it.
I doubt there is anything from the Liberty that could be used on a Europa.
regards,
Terry Seaver
N135TD, Europa XS, Monowheel
Rick Heis wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Just visited the Liberty XL2 web page.....quick question.
>
> Is there any of the parts from the liberty that we can purchase and fit easily
into the Europa XS?
>
> For example, the interior looks very pretty...are the parts interchangeable?
The panel, the seats, the console, the carpet, etc.
>
> What about the nose cowl?
>
> Just thought since they are basically the same aircraft (like GM and Chevy) some
parts would be interchangeable. and expensive.
>
> Rick Heis
> Morgantown, WV, USA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Rick,
I understand that Bob Bierbe (spelling ?, sorry Bob) at FlightCrafters has been
working on a conventional gear design for quite a while, and is in early flight
testing now. I heard he was considering a kit, eventually.
It is unlikely that you will get back the space lost in the mono-wheel tunnel.
This area of the cockpit module is a major part of the fuselage structure. The
tri gear Europas do not recover this as cockpit space (although it can be used
for storage).
You would free up the baggage bay space consumed by the tri gear main gear, certainly
an advantage.
I like the looks of the conventional gear Europas I have seen (only in photos),
and would think it is a good compromise between the mono and tri gear versions.
The mono-wheel can really bite you if you don't watch it, and the tri-gear
just has one too many legs, IMHO.
regards,
Terry Seaver
N135TD, Monowheel XS
Rick Heis wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Long time observer of this list but this is my first post.
>
> I am getting real close to making the commitment to build a Europa XS. I really
like the option with the two sets of wings. I have a few questions though.
>
> (1) At Oshkosh a couple years ago, I saw an Europa at the Europa booth with
conventional landing gear (actually have a picture of it). I have done some research
and can't seem to find much information on this since then. Is this an
option or mod from the factory? Is there a company that provides this option?
Has anyone done this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the factory
not offered this mod, when they had it on display at Oshkosh?
>
> (2) Can anyone give me opinion or feedback about the pro's and con's of the
conventional gear mod? One thing I can think of is it would free up some tight
cabin space in the thigh and leg area due to a not needed mono retract wheel.
>
> (3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing by the company
or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone about this mod, but it has several
appealing qualities. I just need to know if its technically safe and sound
and 'airworthy'? I will list the web page of this company.
>
> http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
>
> Please tell me all I need to know. Is there any web sites or archives that I
can look at to answer some of these questions.
>
> Rick Heis
> Morgantown, WV, USA
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for builder in northwest USA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Ken,
My partner and I have a flying Europa XS down in Livermore, California (near
the San Francisco Bay area). We would be happy to give you a ride if you
happened to be in the area some time. Ours is a mono-wheel XS with 912S
engine and Airmaster CS prop. We have been flying for two years and have
nearly 300 hours on it by now.
regards,
Terry Seaver
N135TD
Ken wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ken" <ken@soundsuckers.com>
>
> I am thinking of starting my second plane and looking real hard at the
> XS Europe but would like to see one in construction and possible take a
> flight in one before I make up my mind.
> Would you build it again or fly something else. My first plane is a RV
> 6A that I finished 2 years ago and still flying it.
> I am not afraid of glass work had 30 years of body shop experience But
> to many planes are not what the factory says they are, My next choice
> will be a RV-9A
>
> I am in southeastern Oregon and can fly pretty much anywhere to see and
> feel my next project.
>
> Ken S.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
Hi,
Your door must be very low! I thought I would have problems as my door is
only 75.25 inches high. I can just get the plane through on the trailer, if I
wind the jockey wheel right down.
Also, have a strobe on top of the fin which is about 3-4 inches high.
David
G-SHSH
> The door of the specially built worshop, is just high enough for the
> monowheel.
> But not when on the trailer...:-(
>
> Jos
>
>
> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 9/4/2003 5:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@rmmm.net
>
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Thats nothing,
> >>I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in the bottom
> >>flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
> >>
> >>Jeff Roberts
> >>A258
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Yep, I must confess I did that too...........
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Lawton
> >Dunlap, TN
> >A-245
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Your door must be very low! I thought I would have problems as my
door is
only 75.25 inches high. I can just get the plane through on the
trailer, if I
wind the jockey wheel right down.
There must be a standard international garage door height which clashes
with the Europa fin! I came within a couple of mm of scraping the top of
my just painted fin when I came to roll the plane into the garage on its
trailer for the first time a few weeks back. It was only when the fin
was halfway along the door that I noticed just how close it was.
Lowering the jockey wheel fixed the problem.
Incidentally, before starting the build I'd worked out that I'd be clear
of the door.. what I failed to take into consideration was the XS
tailwheel mod which has raised the back of the aircraft.
Tony
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| Subject: | PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Dave,
Not sure I can make it yet BUT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE STAVERTON TITLE ? Is
it just the normal Gloucester airfield?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DaveBuzz@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Just a reminder that the PFA have another Roadshow at Staverton,
Gloucester this weekend (6-7 September).
Europa's are welcome and I believe there will be some reduction on landing
fees for homebuilts.
chus,
dave
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
Amazing. Measured again, and it's 183.5 cm which converts to 72.244 inch.
Strobe somewhere else and it would fit eh?
And maybe the guy who offered to build me a trailer can add something to
lower the tailwheel a bit more, if even only during that fase of the
operation. Will keep you informed.
Jos
Davidghillam@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
>
>
>Hi,
>Your door must be very low! I thought I would have problems as my door is
>only 75.25 inches high. I can just get the plane through on the trailer, if I
>wind the jockey wheel right down.
>
>Also, have a strobe on top of the fin which is about 3-4 inches high.
>
>David
>G-SHSH
>
>
>
>
>>The door of the specially built worshop, is just high enough for the
>>monowheel.
>>But not when on the trailer...:-(
>>
>>Jos
>>
>>
>>TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/4/2003 5:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@rmmm.net
>>>
>>>
>>>writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thats nothing,
>>>>I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in the bottom
>>>>flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Roberts
>>>>A258
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yep, I must confess I did that too...........
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>John Lawton
>>>Dunlap, TN
>>>A-245
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
<<BUT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE STAVERTON TITLE ? Is
it just the normal Gloucester airfield?>>
Apparently now it's Staverton (Gloucestershire), but just aim for EGBJ and see
what they respond with when you call them on the radio(!)
Must have got the same disease as Halfpenny Green, when they changed their name
to West Midlands international or whatever it is now...
chus,
dave
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