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1. 07:33 AM - Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (James Nelson)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (James Nelson)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (n3eu@comcast.net)
4. 07:50 AM - change of email address (Paul Boulet)
5. 01:08 PM - Re: PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton (Rowland Carson)
6. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au)
7. 10:16 PM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Ron,
Bob is flying his conventional gear version of the Europa. It
sure is a pretty bird. He has about 40 hours on it right now. When he
put his wheel pants on it the aircraft gained over 8 Knots (the test
pilot says it was 13K but whos counting). It is a sexy looking aircraft
on conventional gear. Contact Bob at flight Crafters and he will give
you what information you need. When I built my Mono-wheel I put inside
the airframe the components to incorporate the conv. gear if I wanted to.
So If I get tired of the Mono-wheel, I'll convert to the conventional
configuration. Yes it has more room as Bob cut down the console area.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:00:50 -0400 "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis"
> <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Long time observer of this list but this is my first post.
>
> I am getting real close to making the commitment to build a Europa
> XS. I really like the option with the two sets of wings. I have a
> few questions though.
>
> (1) At Oshkosh a couple years ago, I saw an Europa at the Europa
> booth with conventional landing gear (actually have a picture of
> it). I have done some research and can't seem to find much
> information on this since then. Is this an option or mod from the
> factory? Is there a company that provides this option? Has
> anyone done this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the
> factory not offered this mod, when they had it on display at
> Oshkosh?
>
> (2) Can anyone give me opinion or feedback about the pro's and
> con's of the conventional gear mod? One thing I can think of is it
> would free up some tight cabin space in the thigh and leg area due
> to a not needed mono retract wheel.
>
> (3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing by
> the company or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone about
> this mod, but it has several appealing qualities. I just need to
> know if its technically safe and sound and 'airworthy'? I will list
> the web page of this company.
>
> http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
>
> Please tell me all I need to know. Is there any web sites or
> archives that I can look at to answer some of these questions.
>
> Rick Heis
> Morgantown, WV, USA
>
>
>
> ========
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Jos,
If you or anyone out there in Europa land wants to minimize drag
and make the tail planes look better consider this. The trim tabs can
have a hidden hinge pin that is accessed on the end of the tail plane.
The pin is secured with a screw in a blind nut. I did my rudder that way
and there are NO screw heads on my rudder to be seen. Since the trim
tabs are hinged on the top, it would look much nicer if the screw heads
weren't seen. Had I thought of it sooner, I would have done it that way.
Also, for you flyers who don't disassemble your wings ect.
Remove the pins every month or so. I didn't and I can not get one of my
pins in the starboard tail plane out. Rust has locked it in position. I
have just done my first annual inspection and found this!! The pin is
not very corrosion resistant. My port pin came out but needed lots of
twisting and pulling. Keep the pins greased. I guess I will have to
drill a hole up from the bottom to push upward to get it to come out.
Yuck!!!
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:27:18 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
>
> This is absolutely marvellous.
> Since i will begin building in a few weeks, this information, these
>
> gotchas, are probably more usefull then any clever mod seen sofar.
> Keep it going, and of course, i will add mine as well.
> To start, before having started:
> The door of the specially built worshop, is just high enough for the
>
> monowheel.
> But not when on the trailer...:-(
>
> Jos
>
>
> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 9/4/2003 5:09:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jeff@rmmm.net
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Thats nothing,
> >>I drilled my hinge holes for the trim tabs on the tail plane in
> the bottom
> >>flange and had to glass them over to fix the stupid mistake.
> >>
> >>Jeff Roberts
> >>A258
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Yep, I must confess I did that too...........
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Lawton
> >Dunlap, TN
> >A-245
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Rick Heis wrote:
> ...
> (3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing by
> the company or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone about
> this mod, but it has several appealing qualities. I just need to
> know if its technically safe and sound and 'airworthy'? I will list
> the web page of this company.
>
> http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
Skipping commentary on their home page(!), the above web story seems to end
about 1/2000, before flight testing. Though someone more qualified re
taildraggers than I should comment, seems to me not much nose-up attitude,
making wheel landings the norm. How this then affects behavior on rough
surfaces would be one question. Another consideration thus may be engine
choice, where the heavier the installation the more tendency to nose over, as
the gear location seems as minimally fwd as desirable, esp with the effect
full flaps on the Europa.
In general though, the tunnel not required for the monowheel is available for
installation of systems, making them far more accessible for inspection and
maintenance.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | change of email address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possible2do@yahoo.com>
Please change my email address as I will be shutting this one down in a few weeks
due to virus/spamming. new address: possibletodo@yahoo.com
Thanks, Paul Boulet N914PB
do not archive
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| Subject: | PFA roadshow 6-7 Gloucester Staverton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2003 09 05 19:43 +0100, R.C.Harrison wrote:
>I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE STAVERTON TITLE
Bob - those of us who've been around long enough still tend to call
it Staverton instead of the more recent title of Gloucestershire
International. (A bit like Halfpenny Green aka Wolverhampton Business
Airport.)
Might see you there tomorrow if you can get through the advertised weather.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
| 610 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
Jim,
Do you have an opinion on the weight issue? I was very interested with Bobs mod,
especially as I havent yet bonded in my cockpit module. This is the time for me
to
install the blocks for the maingear should I decide to go that way. His a/c though
is 920 lbs, and he explains that as being due to several other modifications he
has
made. I haven't asked him how heavy his mod alone should make a conventional
a/c, but I got scared off with the weight. 100 + pounds is a lot of lost flexibility,
even with the Gross weight increase. I 'd appreciate any suggestions you might
have with my dilemna.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
> James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Ron,
> Bob is flying his conventional gear version of the Europa.
> It
> sure is a pretty bird. He has about 40 hours on it right now. When
> he
> put his wheel pants on it the aircraft gained over 8 Knots (the test
> pilot says it was 13K but whos counting). It is a sexy looking
> aircraft
> on conventional gear. Contact Bob at flight Crafters and he will
> give
> you what information you need. When I built my Mono-wheel I put
> inside
> the airframe the components to incorporate the conv. gear if I wanted
> to.
> So If I get tired of the Mono-wheel, I'll convert to the
> conventional
> configuration. Yes it has more room as Bob cut down the console
> area.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:00:50 -0400 "Rick Heis"
> <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis"
> > <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Long time observer of this list but this is my first post.
> >
> > I am getting real close to making the commitment to build a Europa
> > XS. I really like the option with the two sets of wings. I have a
> > few questions though.
> >
> > (1) At Oshkosh a couple years ago, I saw an Europa at the Europa
> > booth with conventional landing gear (actually have a picture of
> > it). I have done some research and can't seem to find much
> > information on this since then. Is this an option or mod from the
>
> > factory? Is there a company that provides this option? Has
> > anyone done this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the
> > factory not offered this mod, when they had it on display at
> > Oshkosh?
> >
> > (2) Can anyone give me opinion or feedback about the pro's and
> > con's of the conventional gear mod? One thing I can think of is it
> > would free up some tight cabin space in the thigh and leg area due
> > to a not needed mono retract wheel.
> >
> > (3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing by
> > the company or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone about
> > this mod, but it has several appealing qualities. I just need to
> > know if its technically safe and sound and 'airworthy'? I will list
>
> > the web page of this company.
> >
> > http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
> >
> > Please tell me all I need to know. Is there any web sites or
> > archives that I can look at to answer some of these questions.
> >
> > Rick Heis
> > Morgantown, WV, USA
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
> If you or anyone out there in Europa land wants to minimize drag
> and make the tail planes look better consider this. The trim tabs can
> have a hidden hinge pin that is accessed on the end of the tail plane.
> The pin is secured with a screw in a blind nut. I did my rudder that way
> and there are NO screw heads on my rudder to be seen. Since the trim
> tabs are hinged on the top, it would look much nicer if the screw heads
> weren't seen. Had I thought of it sooner, I would have done it that way.
Jim,
Sorry but you have lost me on this one. Any chance you might be able to
beam over a photo or two please.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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