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1. 02:23 AM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (Richard Holder)
2. 02:23 AM - Funny misfire (Richard Holder)
3. 06:14 AM - Mr Stanislov's views (Peter Field)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Funny misfire (RMRRick@aol.com)
5. 07:14 AM - New Builder in Texas (EuropaXSA279@aol.com)
6. 07:20 AM - Proud of my Europa (Cliff Shaw)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: Mr Stanislov's views (Stephan Cassel)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: door modifications and Europa sweet sleeping (DJA727@aol.com)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: New Builder in Texas (nigel charles)
10. 08:17 AM - Reno Races (Dan Bish)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: New Builder in Texas (Jeff Roberts)
12. 09:19 AM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
13. 11:25 AM - monowheel dual sealed beam light (Rick Heis)
14. 12:01 PM - Re: Funny misfire (Dave Simpson)
15. 01:05 PM - Re: New Builder in Texas (Fergus Kyle)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: Mr Stanislov's views (Paul McAllister)
17. 03:01 PM - Blondie (Jeremy Davey)
18. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (James Nelson)
19. 05:42 PM - Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker (James Nelson)
20. 06:48 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (Steve Hagar)
21. 07:31 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
22. 10:59 PM - Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
23. 11:18 PM - Pulley Question (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
24. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear (nigel charles)
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Lockwood Aviation has a nice little landing light for 25 bucks and I tested
> it to draw 3.7 amps. Appears to be plenty bright enough.
>
> Steve
> A143, Mesa AZ
Landing lights :
The current will depend on the wattage. An H1 or H3 (I think) halogen
headlight bulb is 55w which divided by 12 volts is 4.6 amps. This would be
bearable for the taxi take off approach and taxi time that it would be
needed for.
However on my day-VFR Europa (UK - PFA) the only reason for a landing light
is to be seen by others (normally on finals when others are contemplating
lining up in front of me). So visibility. Visibility requires as much light
directed to where someone might be looking. So a narrow beam light with a
good reflector will send more light to a given point. It is therefore
important that the beam is pointed exactly in the right direction.
This is hard to do.
Nigel bought two lights for 4 and they had fancy looking bluish lenses. But
at 4 the pair with halogen bulbs they were never going to be too good
optically. He faired one in, under the spinner, but it is invisible from the
ground. We tried it ! There wasn't even a slivered reflector behind the
bulb. Nice idea. But it didn't work :-( It looks good in the cowling !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Good morning guys.
G-OWWW is a classic tri-gear with 912S and Airmaster.
I have noticed recently that in the cruise (5000 and 25 MP) every so often
the engine "mumurs" as if one cylinder misfires. It is hard to hear and
happens every 2 - 3 minutes or so. It is just a blip for a fraction of a
second. The rest of the time it runs sweetly at 16.4 litres an hour and 125
knots indicated.
The airplane has done 40 hours now.
Has anyone had this experience ? Has anyone any ideas ? I have heard it
suggested that it is carb ice forming and then dislodging.
My cruise is usually at 2000 - 2400 feet and the external temp has been 15 -
15 Celcius (60 - 65 Fahrenheit).
As you can imagine it is a little worrying :-) As a result I haven't taken
it to France yet.
I should do more tests, with fuel pump on, and others. Any ideas or
suggestions (polite please)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Mr Stanislov's views |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
I have to say that I disagree with Stanislav's comments regarding the Europa
design and build. After all, this is a kit plane, not a commercially
designed and tested aircraft made by Piper et al. It has not been around
that long and there are bound to be areas that can be improved by innovative
thought. That is where we, the builders, use our knowledge and
resourcefulness to make those improvements and share them with others. Why
blame the factory? Surely part of the challenge is to solve such problems
and improve the design for later builders. The forum is a fine place to do
this.
I have to say that I am wholly impressed by the way this plane is put
together and there has been a great deal of thought put into its design.
There have been several moments when I have considered how the design has
been thought out and thought how clever it is.
Perhaps it is because I have built models throughout my younger life that
often require a lot of thought and ingenuity to put them together!
So leave the factory alone to give Neville time to answer all my calls!
Peter Field.
G-CHOX. Kit number 566. 600 hours to date and nowhere near finished!
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| Subject: | Re: Funny misfire |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Hi Richard
This may be an identical problem that I experienced at 50 hours or so and
reported to the group earlier this year. ( internal silencer breakdown). If it
gets worse, as mine did, then you could get to <50% power by 80 hours. Major
simpton is very high EGT and lean running. Or it maybe a fouled bottom plug.
Regards
Rick Morris
G-RIKS
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| Subject: | New Builder in Texas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com
Hello folks. Thought I would introduce myself. I'm Brian. I live in the
Dallas Ft. Worth Texas area. I will be taking delivery on Europa # A 279 in
October. Trigear.
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| Subject: | Proud of my Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Stanislav
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. That is called freedom of speech
over here on this side of the pond.
In my opinion, the Europa is a dam fine little airplane. The kit is better
made and better documented than any other I have seen. Factory support is
always available and this Email forum is very valuable too. I am very proud
of it and am very happy flying it.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
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| Subject: | Re: Mr Stanislov's views |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Peter,
You are absolute right. To improve things is part of the
building process. And it is very awarding to do so.
You may feel that you are part of the development and
not just put things together like an IKEA wardrobe.
(OK, that could be very awarding too)
Stephan
Builder 556
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field"
> <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
>
> I have to say that I disagree with Stanislav's comments regarding the
> Europa design and build. After all, this is a kit plane, not a
> commercially designed and tested aircraft made by Piper et al. It has
> not been around that long and there are bound to be areas that can be
> improved by innovative thought. That is where we, the builders, use our
> knowledge and
> resourcefulness to make those improvements and share them with others.
> Why blame the factory? Surely part of the challenge is to solve such
> problems and improve the design for later builders. The forum is a fine
> place to do this.
> I have to say that I am wholly impressed by the way this plane is put
> together and there has been a great deal of thought put into its
> design. There have been several moments when I have considered how the
> design has been thought out and thought how clever it is.
> Perhaps it is because I have built models throughout my younger life
> that often require a lot of thought and ingenuity to put them together!
>
> So leave the factory alone to give Neville time to answer all my calls!
>
> Peter Field.
> G-CHOX. Kit number 566. 600 hours to date and nowhere near finished!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door modifications and Europa sweet sleeping |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 9/8/2003 11:55:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
standa.svec@volny.cz writes:
>
> I am regulary reading discussions about door modifications on this forum
> (still hundrets of messages). I have, of course, the same problems. The reason
> is (of course) very simple - bad door design made by Europa factory. I spoke
> about this problems with Europa tecnical staff. They gave me no "official"
> advice how to eliminate this problems. They are thinking, these are no technical
> problems, these are cosmetic problems. I don`t agree. I think, the builder
> should build an airplane, but not to correct for his time and money factory
> errors. And this is ERROR, no COSMETICS.
>
> And the result?
> Europa builders are loosing time and money to correct shoddy piece of work
> made by Europa factory. And the worst on the end. They are selling to new
> builders further and further doors and correction of this design error is not
in
> sight ... . Sleep sweet our dear Europa factory ... .
>
> Perhaps is my opinion to hard, but the Europa design has more simillar
> errors in design and I can not understand, why Europa is doing nothing at all
to
> correct it.
>
> Any opinion of other builders to this subject?
>
>
One simple comment from me, as a pilot by profession and a former
aeronautical engineer:
The Europa is an excellent design that has gone through a thorough
certification process. You must consider that you are building an experimental
aircraft
and there will be things that will have to be modified from time to time. I
personally don't understand the fuss about the door. I simply turned the door
strut around and my door has been working fine for 115 hours now -- and looking
fine also.
I would look at the big picture -- the Europa is an excellent design!
Dave
A227 Mini U2
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder in Texas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Brian
I am a Europa owner having built over a 6 year period and now have 2 seasons
flying completed. As a member of the Europa Club committee with specific
responsibility for Club modifications I might have some useful info for you.
I am also an airline pilot and will be nightstopping DFW later this month
and could meet up if you like. I will be on a 24hr stopover and you would
need to come to my hotel as I will not have transport. I arrive on September
26th and depart on the 27th. Let me know if this is any good.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Just wondering if any Europa builders are planning to attend the Reno Air Races
this weekend. It would be nice touch base as I'm about to start building and
would like to hear your advice/comments/groans/moans/etc. about the process.
Dan Bish
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder in Texas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/9/03 9:10 AM, EuropaXSA279@aol.com at EuropaXSA279@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com
>
> Hello folks. Thought I would introduce myself. I'm Brian. I live in the
> Dallas Ft. Worth Texas area. I will be taking delivery on Europa # A 279 in
> October. Trigear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi Brian,
I live in Nashville TN and have a sister in Rowellett TX. I think thats
close to you. I visit there now and then so maybe I could stop by sometime
to help you with what I've learned. I am getting close to having the
airframe completed.
Jeff
Tri Gear A258
jeff@rmmm.net
615-459-1085
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
09/09/2003 12:18:44 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/09/2003 12:18:44 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi Steve,
The key question is : how does it compare to a standard
PAR 100000cp lamp. For that you need the beam shape and intensity.
Ira J. Rampil, N224XS
"Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
09/08/03 09:54 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: "Europa-ListMatronics. Com" <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel dual sealed beam?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Lockwood Aviation has a nice little landing light for 25 bucks and I
tested
it to draw 3.7 amps. Appears to be plenty bright enough.
Steve
A143, Mesa AZ
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| Subject: | monowheel dual sealed beam light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis" <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
Good Morning,
I would like to comment on one area of the landing light conversation.
As an Air Traffic Controller and pilot since the 1970's I will tell you that a
landing/taxi light is extremely valuable (from my point of view) for identifying
aircraft approaching. Especially in less than 10 mile visibility, lights add
greatly to the safety of flight.
As to whether the wig-wag is any better than just a constant beam (again my opinion)
I would say it is better BUT not as a significant a safety factor as having
lights and not having lights. (and that means in the 'on' position)
I highly recommend that any pilot approaching an airport (even if not landing but
inside the airspace (say 10-15 miles) and within 5000 feet of the surface)
to turn on all lights and strobes for visual I.D. to ATC and other aircraft. On
another point, communication with ATC and intentions as well as communication
at non-controlled tower airports is just as important to air safety.
Now back to the other topic of whether.............
Rick Heis
Morgantown, WV, USA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave Simpson <dave_simpson@londonweb.net>
Richard,
Can't help immediately but I have an identical problem with the 912 (80hp)
on my Pelican. I have balanced the carbs, checked wiring, changed the
plugs - all to no avail.
One thing though - it has been doing this for 2 years and never got any
worse (Oh - now look what you've made me say)
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Holder [SMTP:rholder@avnet.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: Funny misfire
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Good morning guys.
G-OWWW is a classic tri-gear with 912S and Airmaster.
I have noticed recently that in the cruise (5000 and 25 MP) every so often
the engine "mumurs" as if one cylinder misfires. It is hard to hear and
happens every 2 - 3 minutes or so. It is just a blip for a fraction of a
second. The rest of the time it runs sweetly at 16.4 litres an hour and 125
knots indicated.
The airplane has done 40 hours now.
Has anyone had this experience ? Has anyone any ideas ? I have heard it
suggested that it is carb ice forming and then dislodging.
My cruise is usually at 2000 - 2400 feet and the external temp has been 15
-
15 Celcius (60 - 65 Fahrenheit).
As you can imagine it is a little worrying :-) As a result I haven't taken
it to France yet.
I should do more tests, with fuel pump on, and others. Any ideas or
suggestions (polite please)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder in Texas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Take him up on it, Brian.
It will be well worth the time and energy!
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Builder in Texas
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
|
| Hi Brian
|
| I am a Europa owner having built over a 6 year period and now have 2
seasons
| flying completed. As a member of the Europa Club committee with specific
| responsibility for Club modifications I might have some useful info for
you.
| I am also an airline pilot and will be nightstopping DFW later this month
| and could meet up if you like. I will be on a 24hr stopover and you would
| need to come to my hotel as I will not have transport. I arrive on
September
| 26th and depart on the 27th. Let me know if this is any good.
|
| Regards
|
| Nigel Charles
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Mr Stanislov's views |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Well I guess I am with Peter and Dave on this one. We have a large
contingent of builders in our EAA chapter who are building various aircraft.
When talking to them I am continually reminded of how well off I am to be
working with the Europa product and their factory.
Sure its not perfect, however when exchanging stories with other aircraft
builders it is quite apparent that we are an order of magnitude better off
in terms of kit quality, product enhancement, build manual and factory
support. Is it perfect ? nope....... but it sure isn't bad.
Cheers, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I keep forgetting to mention this one on the list, and maybe I should put it
in the 'Things that went wrong' section on the Europa Club Web Site (keep
the entries coming in, by the way, everyone I've spoken to is both learning
from them and enjoying them).
Anyway, back to the point of this email: next time you speak to the Factory,
ask whoever it is you're on the phone to to say "Hi!" to 'Blondie' for you.
All will become clear in due course :-).
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Tony,
The weight issue is not unexpected. The conversion to
conventional gear is a wash. It trades off. The gross weight issue that
an airframe will weigh in the upper 700's to low 800's is only for the
original Europa. The XS is a heavy unit in comparison. That is not
noted anywhere. My aircraft grossed out at 910# The airframes coming
out of Flight Crafters run from high 800's to low 900's. So the increase
in gross weight by 70# over the original Europa will just cover the
increase in the final kit weight. When I did my weight and balance I
found that it was right where it was suppose to be. (books are at the
airplane) When running calculations of weight in the baggage compartment,
adding of a 100# only moves the cg a small amount which still remains
well within limits (details if you want). So the Europa stated gross
weight is very conservative if its ability. However, it does effect the
maneuvering speed (it is a bit lower). If you check throes aircraft which
can do aerobatics, you must keep the gross weight lower so you will not
exceed the "g" limits on the airframe. I wish I could have weighed my
plane before and after I painted it. Paint is very heavy and your local
painter will "put it on to look nice". I know my paint is on heavier
than it should be. BTW, my airframe does not have upholstery other than
a speckle paint. That is lighter than full coverage with fabric. My
panel is a "6" pack with out the DG. I have a small hand held GPS and
one radio, transponder and EIS engine monitor. I have 9# on my external
40A alternator, and 1# on my electric rudder trim.
Bob's conventional gear set up matches the Mono-wheel in vertical
positioning and in horizontal positioning. So prop clearances are the
same. It does look sexy compared to the others. I have my cockpit
module modified to do the conversion if I want to. That added about 10#
also to my gross weight. So I guess I added about 25# to the original
design. That still puts me in the 875# gross weight range.
SO that is my comments on the conventional gear. Now that I have
seen his finished, I think I would have done mine that way. Keeps you
from having to get the "retract time" problem with the insurance co.($$$)
Jim Nelson
N15JN
(still like my Mono-wheel)
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:24:35 +1000 tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
>
> Jim,
> Do you have an opinion on the weight issue? I was very interested
> with Bobs mod,
> especially as I havent yet bonded in my cockpit module. This is the
> time for me to
> install the blocks for the maingear should I decide to go that way.
> His a/c though
> is 920 lbs, and he explains that as being due to several other
> modifications he has
> made. I haven't asked him how heavy his mod alone should make a
> conventional
> a/c, but I got scared off with the weight. 100 + pounds is a lot of
> lost flexibility,
> even with the Gross weight increase. I 'd appreciate any suggestions
> you might
> have with my dilemna.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> > James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson
> <europajim@juno.com>
> >
> > Ron,
> > Bob is flying his conventional gear version of the
> Europa.
> > It
> > sure is a pretty bird. He has about 40 hours on it right now.
> When
> > he
> > put his wheel pants on it the aircraft gained over 8 Knots (the
> test
> > pilot says it was 13K but whos counting). It is a sexy looking
> > aircraft
> > on conventional gear. Contact Bob at flight Crafters and he will
> > give
> > you what information you need. When I built my Mono-wheel I put
> > inside
> > the airframe the components to incorporate the conv. gear if I
> wanted
> > to.
> > So If I get tired of the Mono-wheel, I'll convert to the
> > conventional
> > configuration. Yes it has more room as Bob cut down the console
> > area.
> >
> > Jim Nelson
> > N15JN
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:00:50 -0400 "Rick Heis"
> > <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
> > writes:
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Heis"
> > > <u1c04209@mail.wvnet.edu>
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Long time observer of this list but this is my first post.
> > >
> > > I am getting real close to making the commitment to build a
> Europa
> > > XS. I really like the option with the two sets of wings. I have
> a
> > > few questions though.
> > >
> > > (1) At Oshkosh a couple years ago, I saw an Europa at the
> Europa
> > > booth with conventional landing gear (actually have a picture of
>
> > > it). I have done some research and can't seem to find much
> > > information on this since then. Is this an option or mod from
> the
> >
> > > factory? Is there a company that provides this option?
> Has
> > > anyone done this mod and can give me feedback? Why has the
> > > factory not offered this mod, when they had it on display at
> > > Oshkosh?
> > >
> > > (2) Can anyone give me opinion or feedback about the pro's and
>
> > > con's of the conventional gear mod? One thing I can think of is
> it
> > > would free up some tight cabin space in the thigh and leg area
> due
> > > to a not needed mono retract wheel.
> > >
> > > (3) I did see a company that has this mod available but nothing
> by
> > > the company or pilots about this mod. I am not set in stone
> about
> > > this mod, but it has several appealing qualities. I just need to
>
> > > know if its technically safe and sound and 'airworthy'? I will
> list
> >
> > > the web page of this company.
> > >
> > > http://isuisse.ifrance.com/CCandE/europa.htm
> > >
> > > Please tell me all I need to know. Is there any web sites or
> > > archives that I can look at to answer some of these questions.
> > >
> > > Rick Heis
> > > Morgantown, WV, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Confessions of a door latch hacker |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Kingsley,
I did my rudder only and I will do a few pix to show the way. I
wish I had thought it more in detail to do the tail planes. My rudder is
slick with no protruding bolt heads to disturb the air flow. It just
looks nice. When you look at the tail planes, the bolt heads are on the
"top" where it looks "ucky". What you do is to get a piece of hinge pin
(aircraft spruce has it) that is long enough to go from the root to just
beyond the outboard hinge. This long wire replaces the wires that Europa
provides to put the hinges together. What you do is bring the wire from
the outboard hinge toward the root. When you get there you bend the wire
90 degrees to make the wire run toward the spar. When you get into the
area where the foam is along side the wire you place a blind nut that is
riveted to a small aluminum plate (thin piece to just hold the blind nut
from turning maybe 1" square). That plate is covered with two layers of
glass about 1" larger than the plate. I would put a screw in the nut
plate with the screw covered with grease to be the release agent. When
the glass is cured, remove the screw and there it is, the holding point
to terminate the hinge pin wire. What I did is to make a 180 degree loop
at the end of the wire that goes around the screw. This holds the hinge
pin wire in place and makes the hinges work with no visible screws on the
top surface. My rudder also has an extra hinge placed at the bottom of
the rudder. It is placed just above the original hinge. The reason is
that I have Graham Clarks rudder drive kit. The rudder cables go to a
bell crank on the rear bulkhead and terminate there. A drive push pull
tube drives the rudder by its self. From the bell crank, two cables
extend through the rudder bulkhead through two stainless tubes and then
down to the tail wheel. I placed the turnbuckles and springs inside the
fuselage instead of outside. It is cleaner (less drag) and just looks
better. To do this, you need to make a inspection port that is at least
6" OD in the side of the fuselage in that area. I can get my hands and a
wrench inside to tighten nuts and work on anything there. The cover
should be 7" in dia. The inside of the fuselage where the 6" opening
needs to be reinforced with at least four layers of glass. I ran it from
the opening forward to the rear bulkhead and down to the bottom and about
two inches to the rear. I made each layer about 1/2" smaller with each
layer. Peel plyed the additions for a smooth edge, and when done, it
will take the loads with the opening present. I'll take some pix this
week end and forward them to you.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
(doing my annual inspection)
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:30:18 +1000 "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
> Do not archive
>
> > If you or anyone out there in Europa land wants to minimize drag
> > and make the tail planes look better consider this. The trim tabs
> can
> > have a hidden hinge pin that is accessed on the end of the tail
> plane.
> > The pin is secured with a screw in a blind nut. I did my rudder
> that way
> > and there are NO screw heads on my rudder to be seen. Since the
> trim
> > tabs are hinged on the top, it would look much nicer if the screw
> heads
> > weren't seen. Had I thought of it sooner, I would have done it
> that way.
>
> Jim,
>
> Sorry but you have lost me on this one. Any chance you might be
> able to
> beam over a photo or two please.
>
> Regards
> Kingsley Hurst
> Mono Classic 281 in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Ira:
All I know is that when I hooked it up to a car battery and shined it down
on the end of the block it put a better spot on the house down there than
the auto lights did.
Steve.
A143 Mesa AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/25/03 9:18:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel dual sealed beam?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> The key question is : how does it compare to a standard
> PAR 100000cp lamp. For that you need the beam shape and intensity.
>
>
> Ira J. Rampil, N224XS
>
>
> "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> 09/08/03 09:54 PM
> Please respond to europa-list
>
> To: "Europa-ListMatronics. Com" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel dual sealed beam?
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> Lockwood Aviation has a nice little landing light for 25 bucks and I
> tested
> it to draw 3.7 amps. Appears to be plenty bright enough.
>
> Steve
> A143, Mesa AZ
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> All I know is that when I hooked it up to a car battery and shined
it down on the end of the block it put a better spot on the house down
there than the auto lights did.
These little halogen lights are also less susceptible to vibration
damage than standard aviation ones. The output of the little 50W lamp is
very impressive. There's a ragwing microlight that operates out of a
local field fitted with a pair of these and at dusk he looks like a 747
on approach.
I've got one of these built into the port outrigger fairing.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Jim,
I have been following the "Conventional Landing Gear" thread for a while. I'm
getting close to the stage of installing the cockpit module into the canoe.
Could you give me a brief idea of what had to be done to the fuselage/cockpit
module in order to accept the conventional gear? Is the gear a one piece unit
like the one from Aircraft-Spruce?
I'd appreciate it.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear (?)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
Since the search feature of the archive is down, I'm hoping somebody
remembers when they did this.
Just finished with installing the fuel selector valve in the cockpit module.
With it still upside down I went to drill the holes for the AN210-2A pulley
and the seatbelt anchor. I marked out the placement of the holes using the
measurements in the manual but they didn't look like the manual picture. The pulley
hole is 1.25" from the rear vertical bulkhead and 1.5" down from the
horizontal surface. The seatbelt hole is .6" from each side of the lower corner.
This
puts the pulley hole below the seatbelt anchor hole (unlike the picture in the
manual) and the two holes wind up an inch from each other. The pulley is 2
1/4" in diameter. Wouldn't they interfere? What am I missing?
And a quickie, how many 4" inspection panels to the fuel connectors did
people put in....1 or 2?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Europa XS 'conventional' landing gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>The gross weight issue that
an airframe will weigh in the upper 700's to low 800's is only for the
original Europa. The XS is a heavy unit in comparison. That is not
noted anywhere. My aircraft grossed out at 910# The airframes coming
out of Flight Crafters run from high 800's to low 900's. So the increase
in gross weight by 70# over the original Europa will just cover the
increase in the final kit weight. <
I don't think that this is the case. There may be a very slight weight
increase for the XS but it is not that much. I have a Classic and a friend
of mine locally has an XS with similar specification and we have almost
identical empty weights (around 850lb). Most of the differences are in the
wings. There is no way that each wing on an XS weighs 35lb more than a
Classic. Weights have increased slightly over the years due to mandatory
mods. Generally I notice that many builders (in the USA in particular) want
to add lots of heavy extras. Unless you and your passenger weigh less than
350lb then any empty weight over 850lb is going to mean that the baggage
allowance is going to drop below 50lb which is rather limiting for a touring
aircraft like the Europa.
850lb (empty wt) + 350 (pilot & pax) + 120lb (approx full fuel) + 50lb
(baggage) = 1370lb (MTOW)
Nigel Charles
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